Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 252. (Read 845582 times)

What you're saying essentially is that "the sun only shines on those that deserve it". The truth is my friend that it shines on everything, it has no distinguishing of whether those it shines on read a book that was written by man... To speak for the sun just displays your own errors.

Thank You,
Viz.

Thank you for sharing.

The Bible doesn't talk about the first civilization in detail. It doesn't talk directly about many of the nations that came into being in the early years after the creation at all. Why not? Because the Bible isn't made for that. That is not its purpose, to be a book of detailed history.

What is the purpose of the Bible? It is not the same purpose as Yoga. Here is the purpose of the Bible. From Genesis 3:15: This is what the whole Bible is about... the process of salvation.

In the passage above, God is talking to the snake that tempted Adam and Eve out of perfection and into sin. But God isn't only talking to a snake. He is also talking to the devil, Satan. And God is also making a separation between those who follow good and those who follow darkness. All the rest of the Bible shows the highlights and details of what God went through to make it happen... salvation for the followers of God, and destruction for those who are against God.

Yoga doesn't teach this. Details of the carbon atom don't teach this. Without the details of salvation written in the Bible, people can have Yoga and carbon all day long, and they will still be considered among those who follow darkness. It is only the people who follow the salvation of God through His Son, Jesus the Christ, as written in the Bible, who will be saved for eternal life.

Play with Yoga all you want. Learn all the knowledge of the secrets of the universe that you can find. But in you learning, remember to rely on the things of the Bible, or you will lose everything.

Here are some facts that I would like to share with you and to show you the world from a different perspective, because the % of people know this is quite small...

The books who are include in the Old Testament are talking about how the first (6-th) civilization was emerge for the first time. In the 5 books of Moses we can read about The Law i.e. how the first countries was created and the way they functioned. In The Law there are more then 600 laws who are used in our modern society. The other books from Abraham to David and Goliath we can see about how the history was in that time. The books of wisdom are only 4 and I am suggest you to read them. The last part of the Old Testament are the books of prophets. In those books was written to whole future that will happen in the New Era! Everything that the prophets says was come true, everything!

On the other side we have the New Testament where we have discover the story of Christ and His wisdom and power that He show to the people of ancient Egypt and Israel. Then we have the books of the Apostles where they teach the people of knowledge, wisdom and power. The last and the final chapter of the Bible is The Revelation of John.

If you able to understand the wisdom that is written in the acts of the Apostles, you will figure out what is Yoga and Meditation and how we will be change!

Here something that will blow your mind:
http://www.psychedelicadventure.net/2010/12/secret-behind-666-beast-carbon-atom.html

One of the names of God is Truth, and it is true that we all have our own truth; that is because "God's kingdom is within YOU" and HIS LAW is "written upon your heart". The two key questions to ask one who claims to know the truth by heart is:

WHO IS YOUR SOURCE?
and
Do you take unto YOURSELF everything AVAILABLE by and through a given source--UNTIL YOU KNOW FOR SELF THAT IT BE TRUTH? Or, do you LISTEN TO ANOTHER'S OPINION about this or that and let THEM control your own beliefs?

I made a long post about this topic of discernment of truth; I will quote some of what I posted:

You claimed that atheism is a religion. Now you claim that every existing religion has something correct about it, so presumably this includes any "religion of nonreligion". You must therefore admit that atheism is correct in its sole claim of no god(s).
By the way, the thing that all religions have in common is called generally "the golden rule" and it is the same as Jesus's "New Commandment" which was the core teaching of Jesus. This teaching has nothing to do with death, sin, faith, grace, ancient writings, or "saviors"; it is all about the pure intention of the soul. Jesus also said that he brought nothing new.

You have no idea what really happened to Jesus because you have only read 4 out of the 28 written gospels.

Does it somehow pain you to find that the Beloved Master did not die and rot for three days? How is it that you seem all but forced to believe he could not have lived in human format following the crucifixion and went on to do his earthly work?

A misinformed person will think that Jesus is a savior, but he never once suggested that he was your "savior"; in fact, he said that the kingdom of God is not "here or there", i.e. in Jesus, but it is within YOU. The churches have misinformed the people. There were over 28 full gospels written and known. A scholar from South Germany chose the four which were placed into your New Testament--need I say more? How can you continue to be so narrow?

The churches and church self-appointed priests keep the masses imprisoned. They do not dare even look upon other material than that which is sanctioned by the particular doctrine. Heaven might surely strike ones if they stumbled upon truth. These are the reasons that no Avatars begin or keep religious sects---they are only of God---sects are of man!

Jesus said: "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit." He had come for a specific reason and it was to experience as man and therefore, he lived as man. He appeared and disappeared at will, even before His crucifixion and Resurrection. As a matter of fact, His body was so finely attuned to the spirit, that it seemed to have no substance to it whatever at times. An account of this is found in one of the most famous Gnostic Gospels: The Acts of John.

Jesus allowed His body to be crucified in an effort to again show you the body is so temporary that one should not become attached to it. Then he showed that he could utilize it or cast it aside; or appear as anything he chose. Men continually miss of the lesson's point. Ones must seek out and attach oneself to that which is permanent--the soul or spirit within. You must come to know that the aura or light that is seen around the physical body, even in Kirlian photography, is unaffected by physical pain or death and remains perfect even after the body is cut away or dropped. Note in the picturing of a leaf--cut a portion away and the energy light remains whole.

http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/j012/

That's why there are other evidences for which one is the right one.

Pick a religion. Pick Islam for a moment. All the factions or sects of Islam have some things in common, and other things that are different. Sunni's are not the same as Shiite's, and Baha'is' are different from both. Yet they all have some similarities. Which one is most correct? Who knows?

The point is that nobody knows that everything about his religion is correct. That's why it is a religion. But there are some things that are correct in virtually all the religions. We haven't heard about the religions that had nothing correct within themselves. Why not? Because they never got off the ground.

The important thing is picking the religion that has enough correctness in it to effect the things that you are looking for in or from a religion. But you really don't want a religion of non-religion. The fact that you are in the forum shows that you are not the kind of person who simply walks around aimlessly.

Yet, you have to have religion in at least some minor fashion. Why? Because there is so much about life and what is going to happen tomorrow that you don't know. It is religion, formal or informal, that allows you enough clarity to make it so that you can live life reasonably comfortably.

To me, one of the most important things to consider is the idea of an afterlife. This can be a terrifying thing for people to think about. After all, we have some peace and joy in this life because life seems to go in cycles. Our experience is that things seem to repeat to some extent. So, we have an idea of what will happen tomorrow, even though we really don't know. But it feels like we know, so we are somewhat comfortable. But nobody except Jesus ever came back to tell us what really happens after death, if anything. Fear of the unknown.

All these religious cults believe that their one is "the correct one". They all know they are the correct one because they all feel it with 100% certainty in their heart.

Unfortunately anyone with an ounce of common sense can quite clearly see that they cannot all be correct. Yet everyone "knows" deep deep down in their heart they have the "correct one".

Conclusion:
Knowing it in your heart you've picked the right one is clearly a totally useless indicator and has no value whatsoever.

Physicists say consciousness may be a state of matter; acceptance of the non-physical is growing.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/11/11/physicists-say-consciousness-may-be-a-state-of-matter-the-non-physical-is-indeed-real/

The title of this thread is the base. Scientific proof for the existence of God exists for examination when you combine these 4 things in detail:
1. The definitions of the word "God;"
2. Newton's 3rd Law - cause and effect/action and reaction - and the fact that there are really no proofs that outdate his 3rd Law;
3. The complexity of the universe;
4. Entropy.

When you put these things together, you see that God exists, and is a far greater "thinker" than we are. The theories about Who and What God is, are the things that we have a difficult time with. The theories are the things that form the religions. Our job is to find the best of the religions, and the reasons why it is the best.

This is critical for us. Why is it critical? Because there are many religions, both dead ones and ones that are still alive, that suggest that Hell is real, and that it is very painful if you go there, and that it lasts forever, but that there is a way out if you can find the way.

The trick is finding the correct religion, or at least the correct way. Perhaps we should throw out a request to God, personally I mean, and maybe He just might infiltrate our lives with the correct way. After all, science shows that He is great enough to be able to do this.

The whole Bible is written to show people that they need a savior from death, Who that Savior is along with enough details to show why He is the Savior, and how to access His salvation. Yoga isn't in this class.

Bible isn't trying to do the things that Yoga does. Comparing Bible and Yoga is like trying to compare fruits with vegetables. They don't match. They are completely separate. If Yoga has a method for keeping people from going into eternal death, nobody has been able to access that feature of it.

This article has a valid points and there are a number of people that agree with what is being said.  The issue is that these are theories and it is so hard to prove.  In this case there is more proof to support the theory, only because it is physical proof.  The proof just needs to be interpenetrated buy the individual reading the evidence.

True! Sometimes scholars place interpretations on things when they don't know the truth about it. So, instead we think with their brain, we can actually use ours!

The Bible is one of the most researched books that ever exist in this world. The books that are part of the Old Testament is written by prophets who live in that time and knows what will gonna happen. The modern science has already confirm that this people really exist and they actually write the Old Testament.

On the other side, the New Testament was written by apostles who live in Israel in that time. Not just the science confirm the books, but there where a lots of people who see that miracles!

Let's take Yoga as example. Many people don't believe that Yoga and meditation can really change your life, but only those who try that, know that miracles can happens even in your own body and mind. So, in my opinion, if you like understand the New Testament and all those miracles, you have to research the Yoga.

There is one major point that you miss in all this. It is that we know very little compared with what there is to find out, and with what exists. There are many evidences for this, but one of the simple, close-to-home ones is, if things were not all that complex, and if they were known just a little, science would have figured out a way for us to live 1,000 years long ago.

The reason that I mention this is, it isn't religious gems or religious trash that are important. The thing that is important is what God thinks and does. Until one KNOWS what God thinks, he really doesn't have much knowledge of anything important.

Because of the complexity of the universe, science has investigated only a little of it. One of the major discoveries of science is that God does indeed exist. One can start to see it in the fact that everything in nature operates by cause and effect. This means that, scientifically speaking, we don't have any free will. Why not? Because something, or some group of things, caused us to make every "free will" decision that we ever made.

The true perfection of life is learning, for the true hell is not being able to grow. The experience of consciousness is an always changing eternal life, that expands experience far beyond the words of the bible. Nobody is "condemned to hell", evil is just live spelled backwards. All of life is always evolving, but I'll leave it at that. Can't teach a 1st grader calculus, so I'll save my time in trying to convey some of the deeper essences of life to you, and you can go on believing everyone that isn't Christian is going to hell, like ghandi, buddha, or any other of the ascended masters that brought peace to this plane, and suffered for the message they were destined to convey.

Life is more than the example of one singularity, it takes many to elevate the consciousness of mankind.

Regards,
Viz.

Adam and Eve didn't have original sin.

The devil didn't make them do it. They chose to follow him, and corrupted their own way thereby.

You and I might have taken a little longer than Adam and Eve, but we would have done the same. Thank God that He provided Jesus, Who decided not to corrupt His way. Jesus offers His perfection to all people who will accept Him. When they do, they can be saved for a glorious eternal life with our wonderful, great God.

This is a serious discussion about God. Please keep your bedtime fairytale stories designed for infants off this thread. Nobody over the age of 6 believes this fantasy myth anymore. Thanks.  

One thing to consider about all the facts that the scholars are digging up is, often the scholars place interpretations on things when they don't know the truth about. Then some TV program expresses the scholars' theories, and we learn a lot of things that nobody proved.

An example is carbon dating. Carbon dating is so full of holes in accuracy, that it really shouldn't be used at all. Research it.

The Bible (Old Testament), on the other hand, is eye witness reports that the stubborn nation of Israel handed down over the ages. There is strength of miracles built into these eye witness reports. Present day scholars are not eye witnesses.

Mate, I agree with you that usually the victors write the history, but there are books, documents and facts that you can not change...

I have watch another research from BBC about the Bible. The scholars explore most of the parts in ancient Egypt and find more evidence that are connected with the Bible. Also, they have found lost books who where no mentioned in the Bible like the gospels or the books of the prophets.

But, all I found out that this books are not original part of the Bible. So if you have hold the evidence in one hand and you don't have the fact in the other hand then you don't complete the puzzle.

What I ma trying to say is... The stone tablets who was found in the ancient Sumeria are telling the same story that was written in the Bible and if you like to know the full story, then you have to find more evidence and facts that are connected with Sumerian civilization.

The most important thing is a thing that you can't find in any other text than the Bible. This thing is the way to gain eternal life. If other text has it, it came from the Bible.

Eternal life only comes through faith in Jesus Christ. The only way we really know anything about Jesus is through the Bible. There is nothing else that talks about Jesus in enough detail to learn about salvation, other than the Bible. If there is any Jesus salvation knowledge other than the Bible, it comes from the Bible.

Without your life and self, what good is all the other knowledge? All knowledge in this life will disappear for each of us individually when we die. Any knowledge that might be carried on by our spirit after our body dies, will be changed in ways we cannot fathom. After the resurrection of all the dead at the last day, even this universe will dissolve and be replaced. This will bring about true forgetfulness of all knowledge in this life and universe.