Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 249. (Read 845809 times)

One thing to consider about all the facts that the scholars are digging up is, often the scholars place interpretations on things when they don't know the truth about. Then some TV program expresses the scholars' theories, and we learn a lot of things that nobody proved.

An example is carbon dating. Carbon dating is so full of holes in accuracy, that it really shouldn't be used at all. Research it.

The Bible (Old Testament), on the other hand, is eye witness reports that the stubborn nation of Israel handed down over the ages. There is strength of miracles built into these eye witness reports. Present day scholars are not eye witnesses.

Mate, I agree with you that usually the victors write the history, but there are books, documents and facts that you can not change...

I have watch another research from BBC about the Bible. The scholars explore most of the parts in ancient Egypt and find more evidence that are connected with the Bible. Also, they have found lost books who where no mentioned in the Bible like the gospels or the books of the prophets.

But, all I found out that this books are not original part of the Bible. So if you have hold the evidence in one hand and you don't have the fact in the other hand then you don't complete the puzzle.

What I ma trying to say is... The stone tablets who was found in the ancient Sumeria are telling the same story that was written in the Bible and if you like to know the full story, then you have to find more evidence and facts that are connected with Sumerian civilization.

The most important thing is a thing that you can't find in any other text than the Bible. This thing is the way to gain eternal life. If other text has it, it came from the Bible.

Eternal life only comes through faith in Jesus Christ. The only way we really know anything about Jesus is through the Bible. There is nothing else that talks about Jesus in enough detail to learn about salvation, other than the Bible. If there is any Jesus salvation knowledge other than the Bible, it comes from the Bible.

Without your life and self, what good is all the other knowledge? All knowledge in this life will disappear for each of us individually when we die. Any knowledge that might be carried on by our spirit after our body dies, will be changed in ways we cannot fathom. After the resurrection of all the dead at the last day, even this universe will dissolve and be replaced. This will bring about true forgetfulness of all knowledge in this life and universe.

Actually, it is "God," not "god." And the weapon is used against the devil, evil, and ignorance about God, not against people... except when they permanently align themselves with the devil and evil. And God uses me as part of His weapon (along with all other believers), and I us Him in the same way.


My assumption is that you are a human being. If you are, you will die, naturally. At least, such seems to be the evidence so far.

If you can keep yourself from dying, you might have some strength. But if you can't, you will arise in the resurrection. Without Jesus strength in the resurrection, you will go to disassembly in the Lake of Fire, which will take an eternity to accomplish. That will be bad enough, but the worse part will be missing out on the joys that will exist for those who accept God through Jesus salvation.

Spiritual without Jesus leads to destruction. Religion is the thing that is trying to bring Jesus to you so that you can be saved from that destruction.

If you are NOT a human being, yet are against God, you will perish in the Lake of Fire even though do not die physically. If you are such - not a human being - then I do not empathize with you, because you have ordained your own destruction long ago.


If you are in great pain, I pity you. However, it is absolutely nothing compared with the pain of Hell (the Lake of Fire), where all who enter in will be dissolved, spiritually, piece by piece, over an eternity of time, because the soul is eternal. Earth as it is, is a wonderful place compared with Hell. In some ways, this present life is like the Purgatory that the Roman Catholics talk about.


I don't condemn. I warn. Sinning might in some ways be a process for learning, but the greatest thing that it teaches is that we will die if we don't have perfection. The second is that we can never reach perfection on our own. We need God-strength for that. The third thing it teaches is that the only God-strength that will work is Jesus salvation, through HIS God-perfection that He offers us through faith. If we don't get on board with God-perfection, all that is left for us is Hell.

Neither science of nor inventions of mankind are enough to bring us into the perfection required by God.



The reason that it seems to you that God hates me is that you are missing the filter of Jesus salvation that God is looking through when He looks at me. Indeed, if He were not looking through that filter, He would hate me.

As for the children, they are also in imperfection. However, when children are conceived, the only way they live from conception through the first few years of life is, by Jesus making them live at the same time that they are imperfect. Thus, they are living by Jesus salvation, not really understanding what it is, but just living in it.

As children grow older, and come to mental maturity, they forget the aspects of their early life faith, so that they have the chance to come to Jesus with their minds and "free will..." faith mentally, just like they were in faith in their early childhood with out the mentality. Early faith is a great gift of God. This is why Jesus says, as He does in Matthew 18:3-6:The "sin" that Jesus refers to above, is not only the sin of making some mistake. It is also the sin of locked in unbelief, so that the child/person loses his salvation.

Humble yourself like a little child, and see that your own knowledge isn't enough. Get into the knowledge of God, at least enough that you can be saved for eternal life. The best place to find it is through reading the Bible. Start with the first four books of the New Testament.

Interesting how the history of mankind has been reduced to so few books written by the victors of society, and yet so many drink the kool aid eh?
Let's look at Pumu Punku, Machu Picchu, or the Pyramids and their Technology that vastly dwarfs mankind's self proclaimed "advancement" of the 21st century.

Glad to see that you understand it too my friend, most of the true history of mankind has been lost, and yet man still believes they beat each other with clubs in caves as they advanced from apes. I find the latter story a little harder to believe, but then again looking at the world, it makes sense why it would act as it does with the rudimentary understanding of the force fed knowledge that we all were born into.

Don't forget mis-information *coughs* the bible, can be even more influential than true information itself. The history of man extends far beyond our rudimentary understanding of it, it is my hope that eventually this can be understood, that there are a great many forces that have/are working on this planet, and that their timelines exists far beyond what man has been able to comprehend or observe with his five "senses" that fail to observe even the full spectrum of light or sound. People gawk at their creations yet have no idea how to re-create some of the most substantial structures that have been slowly uncovered on this planet.

Nullius en Verbe - "on the word of no one"

Regards,
Viz.

Dude, you are definitely go by the books that they give in school...

I can see that you know something about the Bible, but the informations that I've collect during this year are from documentaries and texts who reveal the truth about the hidden history, archeology and ancient sacred texts (ancient mysteries).

All those ''facts'' that you wrote in your post I can find them in the books I've learn in school or on wikipedia. What do you think about the pyramids? Do you think that our civilization was build them in the distant past? Or maybe the petroglyphs and hieroglyphs are not telling the truth about what happen in ancient Egypt in the distant past?

If you want to seriously research the Bible, then I am suggesting you to visit: www.ancient-code.com, read or watch some of the series of Ancient Aliens. Believe me, they will blow your mind!

I ah see you now, you're one of those that uses god as your weapon. You realize what empathy is right? Feeling another, but to explain your contradictions would be truly a waste of time, since from observing your posts for quite some time it only elucidates the reason why I have strayed away from individuals such as yourself... I'm Spiritual, not Religious. I'm an Inventor, not a Scientist... I create, I don't consume...

Hope one day you wake up to realize you're already in Hell, it's called Earth.



Might want to do some independent research on words you use to determine reality such as your favorite: sin
https://www.facebook.com/notes/earth-we-are-one/the-original-hebrew-word-for-sin-has-been-wrongly-translated-its-true-meaning-wi/312081935474801

It means to miss, or to err. This is part of the process of learning, yet you condemn those that require learning in their progression of life. I can only imagine how many times you have "missed" the "mark", I can see one particular example in your last statement that I have quoted of you, I'll leave the rest for you to decide. Based on your standards, it seems God already hates you, but that in itself is another sin to miss the point of life: to learn. By your logic all children are going to hell too before they even have a chance to rectify their errors.

Take Care,
Viz.

The middle?! If God hadn't been pleased - for His own reasons - to place a piece, of His Spirit in each of us, we would be less than nothing. We would be like the animals that can't even reason.

I'm not scared of going to Hell. I am scared for people like you going to Hell. It isn't going to hurt me in the least when you drop off the edge. But I empathize.

Since God is the one who made everything, all the knowledge of science lies in Him. The whole fact of Jesus salvation hangs on the technical science of God. If we knew science in its entirety, we would understand how Jesus salvation is a scientific thing, working through many great dimensions, to save the technically constructed souls of human kind.

I don't know if you realize how fucked it is what you are saying. You are attributing human qualities to your deity. I personally have experienced life beyond what a book can show me and have arrived at a much different understanding.

For you, it appears you are scared of going to hell if you are broken, or "not fixed" (of course I expect some denial from you and illogical counter points)
For me, I've been to hell and survived.

When you come to places such as this you gain a very different understanding of the forces that exist beyond our feeble human minds. I'm not here to argue with you about trivial human concepts, but rather to hope that it can be conveyed that there are fundamental flaws on both sides of the arguments here, and you have done quite well in demonstrating some of the incredible errors of religious logic, the same could be said for scientists that can't grasp a reality that exists beyond their "perspectives of observation". It takes scientist's technology to enhance their sensory perception to a point they can observe some of these forces, it takes you a book.

The truth lies somewhere in the middle...

1. Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, probably over a period of about 40 years starting about 1534 BC. He may have copied a few parts from the writings of others, notably the first 2 chapters of Genesis. There is some suggestion that these were written as early as the days of Adam of the Creation times... maybe even by Adam.

2. According to the Bible, the Creation happened between 6,000 years ago, and, say, 6,200 years ago.

3. Outside of a few of the writings of Moses, and possibly the Book of Job, the rest of the Bible was written following the time of Moses.

4. The term "image of God" may mean other things than the physical look. It may have something to do with spiritual similarities, or the fact that we were holy like God before we sinned. However, God did have a physical look inside this universe. We can see this in the New Testament words of Colossians 1:15-20, where the writer talks about Jesus-God, especially the bolded parts below:

See http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.

I research this field for almost one year and here are the the facts about our genesis, evolution and God:

1. The Bible is definitely the oldest book that is ever written and the first book who is talking about creation of the world, animals and humans. Fact: 22 000 stone tables found it ancient Sumeria, 10.500 (according to new research) b.c.e.

2. According to the Bible, Adam and Eva was created before 450 millions years. Fact: The hammer found in Texas who is dating back for 400 millions of years.

3. In the Bible, more precisely in the Old Testament, the books are grouped in 4 categories. The Law, Historical Books (from Abraham to David), Books of Wisdom and the Books of the Prophets. Fact: Every person who wrote this books was exist in the distant past.

P.S. If Gog create us in His image, then He look like us and He is with us all the time!

The Rameswaram floating stones are clearly just geodes i.e. hollow. Not exactly proof of God, interesting none-the-less.

one of the proofs are the stones of Rameswar pool over ocean that even now float and u can see it on some news channels

God made people for His own reasons and purposes. People turned away from Him and the purposes He made them for. What good are they to Him after that? Get rid of them and make some people that will do the thing they were intended for.

But God didn't do that. God went to all kinds of trouble for them, gave up His Son's life for them to "fix" their ungodly ways. But that didn't phase them. They still rejected Him and His purposes for them, and on top of it, they insulted Him, and they will not stop doing this. What good are they?

When it breaks, and it can't be fixed, and especially when it won't allow itself to be fixed, what good is it? Trash it.

Don't know how well cryptographic codes could decode a "signature" with the re-translations of its text from the dawn of its inception causing drastic changes in the original wording. The bible is a tool for the elites to control populations, I mean what type of magnanimous, gentle, giving "god" would say "I shall smite you"...

Neutral party here, and that's my two cents

Yes.  It is said Jesus will be born with the key tattooed on his body.

Somebody (on the internet  ) said that the Bible contains a cryptographic key or code that can be used to verify it's authenticity. It's said that if the code is used to construct fake text you get nothing but gibberish i.e. it can't be used in reverse to produce text.

Is there anything to this rumor, could the bible contain a some form of public cryptographic key?

All the squares and triangles are attempting to look at a world of spheres with lines for eyes (2D to 3D analogy, hint hint). This speaks for both sides of the argument, for religion is a spiritial hospital for people afraid of going to hell, and scientists miss fundamental principals regarding the law of conservation of energy: "energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but can be change from one form to another." when consciousness is of course energy. It is an operator of lower frequency energy functioning on a higher voltage allowing the directing of physical action from the source of the conscious entity. Religion is based on a book that said two people had sex and made everyone, but that is quite simple in thinking the world was spawned from incest.

I choose to see things more symbolically, such as the conscious mind (man), the sub-conscious mind (woman), and the super-conscious mind (light). But we humans do love to dance in circles around logical / illogical sequences in the name of spreading a subjective truth as veracity; but in essence, science is beginning to discover the phenomena known as consciousness. We can't even prove a thought exists rather than brain activation patterns, we can't prove love exists rather than chemical reactions flooding the brain; but yet the deeper essence of some of these experiences extends far beyond the primitive scientific perspective of them, just the same for the explanation of such through a book that has founded a system to debase knowledge and exploration in the name of being saved.

Guess what, the only person that can save you is yourself.
And the irony is, there is nothing to be saved from other than what we create in our own minds, our own experience of life.

Life just is, anyone that thinks they can prove its true essence through theory (science), or even in the name of an overused word (god), is only fooling themselves into believing they have little left to learn.
Let ourselves experience the exploration of knowledge while keeping our minds open to the many possibilities that are elucidated through the experience of life.

One generally learns more if the mind isn't so full of junk that it can't allow anything new in; but hell, that's just my perspective.

Regards,
Viz.

There is no need to prove that god exists those person who wants to believe in god will believe and those who don't want to believe they will not believe.