Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 250. (Read 845582 times)

Everyone is under authority. For example, gravity has some authority over you for your benefit. But, you can overcome it to some extent, also for your benefit.

Because of the way that the Bible came into being, and because of the nation through which it came, and the prophesies, and the Spirit of God working in those who acknowledge it, there is no reason for anything else.

If you want something else, go ahead. But if you don't accept Jesus of the Bible Who built you in your Mommy's tummy, you will lose everything. Your choice. God holds it open as a choice for you, either way.

Other than that, I don't study about all kinds of wisdom and supposed wisdom, because I don't have time. I would like to know electronics, but there are other things that I want more. So, I don't get more than a smattering of electronics. Same with other wisdom and knowledge.

Why would I want the foolishness of wisdom that says that I can make it on my own? Rather, I would suggest that I need help. That help is Jesus.

So, what are you really doing with your instructions for me? Are you so benevolent that you want to take me from salvation? Even if your idea of works righteousness were the way, my works of trusting in Jesus salvation would be the way that I am saving myself even if Jesus weren't true.

I do appreciate the "compliment" and acknowledgment that I am a "deep thinker". However, you are asking us to accept that the Bible is perfect and inerrant; I don't think it is possible to prove that; worse still, this kind of submission to authority is irrational, and you cannot awaken to GOD's TRUTH if you are narrow-minded.

If you want some breadth of knowledge, perhaps you could investigate Patanjali's Eight Limbs of Yoga, or Ancient Aliens, or Phoenix Journals, as has been suggested to you by people in this thread. I am sure you will learn something if you watch those episodes which relate to Christian ideas; they are quite interesting!

By far the most important thing in any one's spiritual journey is to never surrender discernment to any book or person. Why?
1) God's people perish for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4).
2) Reason is a gift, you must wisely use it to multiply knowledge; do not abandon or "bury" GOD's gifts (Matthew 25).
3) Man is a rational being. To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.
4) No man on Earth is perfect or free from error and all books are written by men. Therefore, all books are limited (incomplete).
5) The only certainty is change. If you cannot change your mind, then you must be "dead".
6) No false idols. Only GOD is perfect and deserving of total obedience. God resides within YOU, not some book.
7) GOD sent many messengers; how would you know that yours is the most correct unless you compare and evaluate?
8 ) GOD is mysterious, so you have to perform an investigation no matter what. The raw truth is never popular (Amos 5), so the mainstream answers are usually wrong.
9) If you surrender your discernment and turn off your mind by saying "who am I to know?", you are saying "who am I to live?"--Ayn Rand
10) GOD made man judge of all things. You are to judge what is good by what agrees with YOU.

So I am urging readers to "Read it ALL and judge in wisdom of knowledge". I think that it is very good advice. You are telling readers that "the wisdom of the Bible is pure, complete, perfect, and absolutely true". I think that your claim is irrational and provably false. You are suggesting that I place my faith in a book and thereby escape having to think about and evaluate any other knowledge claims. That is anti-reason, it is irrational, and therefore foolish.

I am happy that you have researched things and found out all kinds of info. I am not saying anything against that.

Fluffer (Buffer Overflow), on the other hand, is simply talking in ways that don't have a lot of depth... or at least so it seems. And 1aguar has so much depth that he forgets the connection.

I agree that there are books and practices that have understanding that is not in the Bible. The purpose of the Bible and the miracles recorded therein are not mainly for doing miracles. Sure, miracles are nice, and miracles can make life better at times, and sometimes miracles are even fun. But that isn't the major point of the Bible.

The major point of the Bible is found here, John 20:30,31:
Without the Bible, all the Yoga writings, and religious writings of every other kind, would leave us guessing about our salvation. You can see it from the fact that 1aguar selects the idea of the two of us picking on each other, rather than answering the point of us Christian gods using our god-power to make the God of the Bible to be the Super-God. 1aguar focuses on the less important, rather on that of greater importance.

It is the same with Yoga. Without the Bible, Yoga would focus on the miracles rather than on clear-cut salvation. Even with the Bible, Yoga wants to distract us from the important thing, salvation and eternal life through Jesus.

We were created in the image of God. What is the image of God like? If you want to believe God meant physical image, here it is, very clearly. Talking about Jesus, Saint Paul shows us in Colossians 1:15-20...
In other words, it was probably Jesus walking in the Garden of Eden in the cool of the day, after Adam and Eve sinned. And The Angel of The Lord written about throughout the Old Testament is probably Jesus before He came to earth in His humiliation.

Knowing this, what are you really doing when you keep on talking about these things? I am not disagreeing with you. The Bible simply has a different major purpose than Yoga does.

I was at a party and found living proof that God exists.



At the very least believe in angels now. Too bad she admitted to being a Muslim. My Christian country will probably kill her or jail her at some point in the future for being a terrorist.

Just like is written in the first book of Moses, He create us in His image, so we actually look like Him, because God is a living being!

I know that we are talking about something we both believe, but what I am trying to tell you is that the Bible and Yoga are very connected. The Bible is a way of life i.e. you learn how to become a spiritual person. The Bible is not a religion! Just like Yoga is not a part from any other religion...

Yoga will teach you how to understand all miracles that Christ show to the people. Everything that He did it is by creating and projected energy. But, if you want to be able to that, you must have clear and focused thoughts. Yoga will help you to gather you thoughts and if you are able to do that I am sure that you can pray without problem.

Pray and meditation has enormous power. But, you can't have honest pray if you didn't meditate before. Mate, everything that I am telling you is from my personal research and experience. I didn't go to church to ask the pope or to call some monk from a buddhist temple!

This is no fun at all for me; I wish it were so!

This is as good an example of begging the question and post-hoc reasoning as one could desire.

It also relies on the implicit claim that any adequate explanation of anything must be consistent with the current paradigm.

By surrendering your discernment to that Bible (any "Bible"), you are discarding God's gift of reason.

1aguar isn't picking on you, he's simply trying to educate you.
It's very clear beyond all reasonably doubt that you need it. Painfully obvious in fact.

It's kinda fun, isn't it?... picking on each other.

As I said before, since the Bible says that we are gods to whom the Word of God comes, and you expressed at some point that the PJs express similar (without the "to whom the Word of God comes" part), we, the Christians, are using our god-power to make the God of the Bible to be supreme God over all... that is, if He isn't already  .

Read it and weep. You'll never catch up.

I do not wish to surrender my discernment to any one set of texts, that is totally irrational.
I would FAR rather READ IT ALL and judge in wisdom of knowledge. That is called "using God's gift of reason".

According to YOU, ANYTHING could be in the Bible and it is still valid, even if it is a LIE added by man.

You are using fallacious thinking known as post-hoc reasoning. You have faith in something (i.e. that the Bible is inerrant) and it clouds your reasoning, so you make false claims/arguments without first seeing if the premises are correct (they are not).

You do not examine the possibility that the true cause of those books being in the Bible is that the Church of Rome wanted them in there. Satan is not MY buddy because I RECOGNIZE that these books are promoted by the adversary. Do you?

There are hundreds of thousands - maybe millions - of books. Because of this, I don't have time to read them all. Besides, I wouldn't want to.

Somebody called those other so-called gospels, "gospels." This doesn't mean that they are. I don't need them. John in the Bible tells us that the books in the Bible are written that we might be saved. If there were a salvation advantage in other so-called gospels, they would be in the Bible. The fact that they are not in the Bible, shows that there is probably disadvantage in them regarding salvation. At best, they are not needed.

You have shown by the things that you have spoken about the Phoenix Journals, that the PJs are a false religion. Thanks for explaining this to all of us. (Remember? I almost had to drag your simple explanation out of you. You wanted us to read all that garbage just to find out that it was garbage. Thanks for this.) Because of it, we don't need the PJs. Certainly you are welcome to consider them your religion or whatever you want to call it.

Hi BADecker,
We were discussing how you are so narrow that you make every effort not to read any more than the 4 gospels that the Church of Rome approved for your indoctrination. That is the only reason that you believe in the so-called "Jesus salvation"--you are indoctrinated!

Good advice. I suggest that you do some reading; perhaps start with Phoenix Journal #2, it is a valid gospel.

It is clear that there is no scientific proof yet, but I think it will come someday, maybe in 1000 years.

God gave me ringworm for my sins.

But God exists for Himself, as science has proven.

no he doesnt exist for many and yes he does for many,better we dont discuss of someone who mad eus.

You are forced into my religion. I force it on you. Here's how I do it: force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force, force.

Got it? You are now forced. Don't you feel better now?

If it bothers you so much, maybe you should check out and see if what you believe in your religion, be it atheism or anything else, is correct. If it isn't, maybe you should find out what is correct.

Listen at the end of the day you can belive whatever you want but don't force it on the rest of us if it's not regulated by the government or the laws that we are actually using in real life.

Hi! We are having an interesting discussion here. I wonder what it is all about. I agree with much of what you say. Neither of us knows everything. So, what are we really discussing?

I am saying that God is His own "person," just like we are our own person... only more so.

I am I. I think my thoughts. I feel the things that I feel. Nobody else is me. Nobody else feels what I feel. Some people may empathize with me if they see my condition. A few sensitive people may feel my vibes even though they don't know me. But they are not me. I am me.

The same goes for you. The same goes for God, except that He may be more Himself than we are we, and, He knows all about everything. He does more than empathize with us, though we don't realize it very easily.

Is this what we are discussing? Are you saying that God is simply unfeeling energy? What are we really talking about here?

Now I am sure that you never read the whole Bible and also you don't know anything about Yoga...

Because if you do, you will know that the Bible is one of the biggest books in the world where you can find anything you need like books of Law, History, Wisdom, Prophets, History of the Christ, Acts of Apostles and The Revelation.

Now, I must remind you a few things that you forgot in our discussion. The evidences from where the Bible originated are found in ancient Mesopotamia, where actually the whole things have happened. And according to new research that period is now dating for 10 to 14.000 years b.c.e. Christ was born in the New Era and Yoga was show for the first time in 1000 years before Christ. The founder of Yoga is Patanjali!

So tell me know, how can YOGA be much older then the Bible when the facts and the stories are talking about period long before there was a life on EARTH!?

Another thing that is mentioned in Yoga and Christ do the same thing is: I am the LIGHT! So, actually Christ before came to Earth has visited the Vedas and ask them about what is the LIGHT!?

Mate, instead of giving me no sense things, why don't try to think in terms of energy and try to understand what Christ and the Apostles where talking about it?.. I hope now that you realize in what I believe...

And one more thing. You mention the word religion, so please give me your definition about what is religion and what is spirituality?