Wow, you guys are still talking about this. I think it's clear that if you build your world and philosophy around the idea of a god, you CAN'T accept science or anything else that would destroy your ego. Us non-believers need to understand that while it's easy to see that there is no god, it is asking a lot of believers to recognize the obvious. Its not just this one fact they have to accept. They must throw out all their notions about reality. Not everyone can do that.
Actually, the only thing that maintains the ability to believe that there is no God is the freedom that God allows.
Close to proof for God:
1. Machine quality of the Universe; need a Machine-Maker that is not evident from the universe;
2. There is no such thing as pure random; random as we know it is a crutch to help us because of our weakness; evolution does not exist without God in no pure random;
3. Consciousness and conscience both suggest strongly that there is a God.
These things are evident. They are even scientifically evident. The only time science nullifies them is when people pick and choose the science they are going to use, and then interpret their science in ways that they want, ignoring the other interpretations.
1: No it doesn't, if the universe wasn't in a state to support life the way it happened then we wouldn't be here to comment on it. Fine-tuned universe fallacy
2: Doesn't make any sense
3: No they don't, they suggest that we are conscience
As long as you keep a narrow mind, or limit yourself to simple thinking, you won't ever understand.
Since you obviously don't understand, who is the leader of your religion that has convinced you into believing the things that you DO believe? I mean, you obviously don't know it through understanding it. So you must have someone who has convinced you of it without understanding. Is he/she your high priest(ess) of your religion?
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying nothing is a flavor of icecream. Nobody convinced me of anything, I've read up on the science and drawn conclusions
Since atheism can't be proven to be correct, it is a religion in the way it is being handled. Once it is proven (if it is), then it will no longer be a religion.
I would have to agree with BADecker here.
A truly logical and objective person can't draw any 100% conclusions from sensory input that is presented to their conscious mind.
For example we might be living in a simulation. Nobody can argue against the possibility of that. In fact most philosophical arguments would favor that we actually do.
The creator of said simulation would be for all intents and purposes godlike.
Any long drawn out purely logical debate will always lead to this conclusion.
If you want to say "I'm logical and objective" then you must say "I am agnostic"
I completely agree with emergent complexity through evolution, and it is awesome, but who is to say that's not just a program running in a simulation?
Actually, there is some indirect evidence for a simulation. It works something like this.
God created the universe.
Mankind sinned.
God can't stand sin at all... not even a hint of sin.
God immediately destroyed the universe because all of it is connected... to sin through mankind.
Jesus, Who is the Son of God, caught mankind.
He caught mankind within Himself through inter-dimensional time reaction, that based itself on His promise to suffer and die for mankind at some future time via inter-dimensional reaction.
Because He is the Son of God, all people have been living in a simulation of the original universe that God destroyed, a simulation that is in the God-mind of the God-man, Who is the Almighty Son of God Almighty.
