So many technically useless points regarding GOD.. hmm..
"Let me get this right. You're searching for scientific evidence of a hypothesis that cannot be tested. -
That's incredibly naive."
Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 55. (Read 845650 times)
Sorry nothing of that is evidence. As I said itcan be explained thru evolution and biologi
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can
I think God does not exist that is just a phenomenon without scientific explanation
Why should there be any doubt about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that God exists and can be proved by the existence of the Qur'an.
It is thought that the correct answer lies in the Quranic writings because the writing mostly has the truth until the end of the day,
If you want to know it read, because if the person reading maybe you do not believe it.
It is thought that the correct answer lies in the Quranic writings because the writing mostly has the truth until the end of the day,
If you want to know it read, because if the person reading maybe you do not believe it.
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.
LOL! See how well cause and effect works? You posted your post using all kinds of cause and effect operations, from your brain dictating what your fingers do at the keyboard, all the way up to the C&E flow of training that trained your brain to think of what to cause your fingers to type.
Thanks for asking a bunch of easy-to-answer questions.
BTW, when you have such an abundance of proof for the existence of God, like the scientists do, why would they want to make a theory for God? You ask such simplistic questions.
So let me understand it, you claim the evidence is so obvious, so extremely obvious that scientists don't even need to apply the scientific method to it? https://www.compellingtruth.org/scientists-believe-God.html
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
Interestingly, although some scientists do believe in god, there is a very significant difference on the percentage of scientists that believe in god vs the percentage of other people. ''specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God'' ''By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power'' Are you saying that the average americans are smarter than scientists hahaha, how is it possible that scientists believe less when there is such clear and obvious evidence out there?
Note that scientists have a reason for believing in God. It's because it is their religion.
Scientific proof for the existence of God is something that scientists use all the time in their scientific investigations, even though they don't realize they are doing it.
All scientists know that they are using cause and effect in their science.
They are all aware of degradation of their scientific operations... entropy.
They are all aware of complexity of atoms and molecules in even the simplest of their science projects.
They all use the above-listed scientific proof for the existence of God even though they don't realize that they are doing so.
Why would an average non-scientist American want to worship God like a dumb scientist who uses the proof for the existence of God, but can't even figure out that he is doing it?
You can't seem to talk science. Even your links are religious. You are in the wrong thread.
So you are smarter than most scientists, you understand the proof for god but they don't. Why not publish a paper, a scientific paper to make them understand the proof? How come the other scientists that do believe in god never published such paper? How come they didn't try to convince their partners about god using scientific proof? Seems really weird to me unless... wait for it.... there is no scientific proof for god, they know there isn't even if they believe in god and thus can't really publish a scientific paper about it or create a scientific theory. Who knows, right?
You can't seem to talk science. Even your links are religious. You are in the wrong thread.
dude, quite frankly, I think you maybe are in the wrong thread.
Why don't you go spout your "scientific proof for god's existence blah blah blah" ..,."cause, effect blah blah blah" crap you've been repeating obsessively in here
for past 4 years, in a real science forum thread where your audience might be a tad more educated on the subject.
After all, you got your links there all ready, (that you've posted like ten million times in here.)
You never know, you might get educated. (I'm not holding my breath tho...)
Me thinks you won't because you know you'd have your ass handed to you. (if not laughed at as just another know it all bible godswill nutjob)
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.
LOL! See how well cause and effect works? You posted your post using all kinds of cause and effect operations, from your brain dictating what your fingers do at the keyboard, all the way up to the C&E flow of training that trained your brain to think of what to cause your fingers to type.
Thanks for asking a bunch of easy-to-answer questions.
BTW, when you have such an abundance of proof for the existence of God, like the scientists do, why would they want to make a theory for God? You ask such simplistic questions.
So let me understand it, you claim the evidence is so obvious, so extremely obvious that scientists don't even need to apply the scientific method to it? https://www.compellingtruth.org/scientists-believe-God.html
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
Interestingly, although some scientists do believe in god, there is a very significant difference on the percentage of scientists that believe in god vs the percentage of other people. ''specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God'' ''By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power'' Are you saying that the average americans are smarter than scientists hahaha, how is it possible that scientists believe less when there is such clear and obvious evidence out there?
Note that scientists have a reason for believing in God. It's because it is their religion.
Scientific proof for the existence of God is something that scientists use all the time in their scientific investigations, even though they don't realize they are doing it.
All scientists know that they are using cause and effect in their science.
They are all aware of degradation of their scientific operations... entropy.
They are all aware of complexity of atoms and molecules in even the simplest of their science projects.
They all use the above-listed scientific proof for the existence of God even though they don't realize that they are doing so.
Why would an average non-scientist American want to worship God like a dumb scientist who uses the proof for the existence of God, but can't even figure out that he is doing it?
You can't seem to talk science. Even your links are religious. You are in the wrong thread.
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Why are you focusing on my delusions? You know nothing about them. And, they aren't part of this thread.
Because your delusions are what you are basing your reasoning, your belief and your entire argument in this thread on. So it most certainly is part of this thread.Quote
That's the point, and I explained it already. Your belief against something doesn't make your belief true. Again, the example is your belief in Big Bang. You believe it is true because your want to, or because you like believing other people who say it is true. You don't know BB is true because you don't understand the math. Believing it doesn't make it true.
I'm so glad you seem to be understanding where I'm coming from....you just need to turn Big Bang into god and you have my point of view!
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Same with the scientific proof for the existence of God. If you don't understand the proof - be it for or against - all you have is a belief.
You seem to be missing the point....again. Take off the god coloured glasses for just a teeny bit....and see the bigger picture.
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It seems that you and Astargath don't understand the proof for the existence of God, because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it. Both of you are entirely talking religion. So, it is religion for you, but for those who understand, it is knowledge.
That statement is so full of contradictions, I'm not even sure where to start.....Ok here goes:1. We are saying there IS no proof. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. We are saying we can't understand it because there just is none. At all..... Like none to be found.
2. 'because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it' We don't try to claim any such thing because THERE IS NO GOD.
3. So because we are saying there is none....we are NOT taking it on faith because evidence to support such a claim is not....and has not to date.....ever been brought forward in the history of human civilisation.
4. "To those that understand, it is knowledge" Again you are talking about people having faith...to believe in an invisible sky daddy watching over you 24/7.
Since you say that there is no scientific proof for God, but don't want to even refute the proof with science, all your talk is not scientific talk, but rather religious talk.
Lots of people understand religion. If you don't have scientific proof, you have your religion, right? Show some good science to refute my science. Or, recognize your religion.
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No. It is your beliefs, because you are the one talking about belief without showing proof for what you say.
I don't have to show proof for anything my friend.....the burden of proof is all on you religious nutjobs. 
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You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???
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How do you know that it has not been verified by anyone else? Before the apple hit Isaac Newton on the head, there might not have been any theories for gravity. If Newton was the first, he was the first. There has to be a first, if it exists.
Yawn....Argument for First Cause Fallacy....again. If it was verified by anyone....it would be world wide news...it would be in every scientific magazine around the globe.....which it is not.Quote
What does having a religion or not, have to do with the fact that God exists?
The very definition of religion:Definition of religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion
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It is simply a religion for you due to your unwillingness or inability to understand the proof. Since I understand the proof, and can explain it, and have explained it, it is not a religion for me. Just because I have certain religious beliefs, does not mean that they include the things I have factual knowledge of. Same for you.
Wow its like talking to a sun baked brick....I might actually get better answers out of it. YOUR opinions and YOUR beliefs have shaped how you responding to my queries. YOU are claiming to understand the proof, have the proof...and claim its factual knowledge. Lets put this in terms a 5 year old could understand cos clearly its going right over your head:
WE are stating that YOUR opinions about claiming to have factual knowledge of proof is bull crap. A big steaming...pile of bull crap! There is no proof because there is no god. Simple enough?
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Faith is all inclusive, because we all live by faith. This means we all have religion.
I totally understand why a religious person would say that. Because for you, faith = religion.This is what I am trying to get into your head......Non religious based people are not. Faith does not equal religion for me. I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow...and I'm aware that science has proven that we are on a planet turning around the sun and it will rise tomorrow and its based on fact. Hard proven fact that can be looked up. I'm just too lazy to actually go and find the actual hard evidence. But it's there....unlike the evidence for your god.
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Science theory and hypotheses are not always facts. So science is not always facts.
Yes, that is true, and science is always happy to revise its theories when proven wrong....unlike religion.Quote
There are formal religions that do not include a being to be worshiped. Buddhism is one example.
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Another example is the faith that we all live by all the time, as I stated in the paragraph above this one.
I have responded to that already.Quote
LOL. People know that gravity exists because it is around them all the time. They use it everyday. Scientific theories and formulas for gravity may or may not have anything to do with the fact of gravity. Gravity, being fact, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Why? Because gravity was known to exist long before science came along. When you talk about gravity here, your density is starting to match that of notbatman in the FE thread.
Right...so the vikings knew thunder and lightning existed too. They called it god.You only know it was a fact because science has proven it. Not religion or faith. Lots of things were also known to exist long before we had science to nail down HOW and WHY of things. Thats why your god is dwindling....its the god of the gaps..and science is closing that a bit more every day.
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The fact that you respond to my posts is allowing a little of my authority over you. Now you are inviting more. Why do you immerse yourself in things that you detest so much? You are submersing yourself in my authority and continuing to ask for more.
And the fact that you are responding to my posts must mean I have a little authority over you. Long as I'm wasting your time....you have less time to brainwash someone else. Quote
Actually, this might be true. There is some interpretation of parallel universe theory that suggests that spiritually speaking, we might all be in our own universe. But that concept is way beyond anything that this forum is capable of handling, and certainly this thread.
Agreed. And I notice you didn't disagree with my description of your god. Am I finally getting through to you?Quote
Well, do you have scientific proof for it? I mean, can you show the scientific proof? Showing it doesn't mean I will understand it. But if you literally have proof for it, the least you could do is show the proof as I have shown the proof for the existence of God.
I could happily show you the proof! Want me to post a picture?Quote
However, BB was only an example. If there is any point in science that has been proven to you, based on someone telling it to you, or on your reading of it in a book or somewhere, without the understanding on your part of how it is a fact, then it is part of your religion... a religious belief for you... even if it is believed by millions of others, and known by still other millions.
Again its the faith = religion for science bull crap......science is NOT a religion for the umteenth time.Quote
People at church believe the priest or minister when they are told things about the particular religion. They often don't know if what they are being told is true or not. Yet they believe (or not). If you don't have and understand the proof for things like the diameter of the sun, or the distance to Jupiter, but have only believed what others have said, then it is all religion for you, even if it is 100% true and factual.
I understand what you are saying, but just flatly disagree with it.I can understand how you might have religion regarding the science behind God's existence. After all, there are many scientific proofs that seem to contradict. You can say that you believe this on or that, or you can say you don't believe any of them. But if you don't have the knowledge through scientific proof, then you have religious belief.
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The scientific proof for the existence of God might not be understandable to you, just like other scientific fact might not be understandable to you. We are in a forum. So, you have the right to state that you don't believe something, even in a "proof" thread. But if you are absolutely sure, show the proof. At least Astargath attempts to show the proof that God doesn't exist a little, or that the proof that He exists is faulty. All you do is blab religion.
Awww am I irritating you? Shampies.... I don't have to prove anything. You are the one claiming to have proof. Which is bogus and has been bogus this entire time. Astargath and I are just the only ones calling you out on it , since you seem to be so desperate to negate whatever we say.
Right. You don't have to prove anything. It doesn't bother me that you like to blab. But if we are going to talk the scientific proof, for or against, then we have to talk scientific proof.
If the only reason you are in this science thread is to spout off about your religion, great. It's up to the moderators to do the judging. So far, this is all that it seems that you want to do... talk religion.
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Why are you focusing on my delusions? You know nothing about them. And, they aren't part of this thread.
Because your delusions are what you are basing your reasoning, your belief and your entire argument in this thread on. So it most certainly is part of this thread.Quote
That's the point, and I explained it already. Your belief against something doesn't make your belief true. Again, the example is your belief in Big Bang. You believe it is true because your want to, or because you like believing other people who say it is true. You don't know BB is true because you don't understand the math. Believing it doesn't make it true.
I'm so glad you seem to be understanding where I'm coming from....you just need to turn Big Bang into god and you have my point of view!
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Same with the scientific proof for the existence of God. If you don't understand the proof - be it for or against - all you have is a belief.
You seem to be missing the point....again. Take off the god coloured glasses for just a teeny bit....and see the bigger picture.
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It seems that you and Astargath don't understand the proof for the existence of God, because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it. Both of you are entirely talking religion. So, it is religion for you, but for those who understand, it is knowledge.
That statement is so full of contradictions, I'm not even sure where to start.....Ok here goes:1. We are saying there IS no proof. None. Zip. Zero. Nada. We are saying we can't understand it because there just is none. At all..... Like none to be found.
2. 'because you don't understand your own proof against the existence of God enough to explain it' We don't try to claim any such thing because THERE IS NO GOD.
3. So because we are saying there is none....we are NOT taking it on faith because evidence to support such a claim is not....and has not to date.....ever been brought forward in the history of human civilisation.
4. "To those that understand, it is knowledge" Again you are talking about people having faith...to believe in an invisible sky daddy watching over you 24/7.
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No. It is your beliefs, because you are the one talking about belief without showing proof for what you say.
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You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???
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How do you know that it has not been verified by anyone else? Before the apple hit Isaac Newton on the head, there might not have been any theories for gravity. If Newton was the first, he was the first. There has to be a first, if it exists.
Yawn....Argument for First Cause Fallacy....again. If it was verified by anyone....it would be world wide news...it would be in every scientific magazine around the globe.....which it is not.Quote
What does having a religion or not, have to do with the fact that God exists?
The very definition of religion:Definition of religion - the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
Source: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/religion
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It is simply a religion for you due to your unwillingness or inability to understand the proof. Since I understand the proof, and can explain it, and have explained it, it is not a religion for me. Just because I have certain religious beliefs, does not mean that they include the things I have factual knowledge of. Same for you.
Wow its like talking to a sun baked brick....I might actually get better answers out of it. YOUR opinions and YOUR beliefs have shaped how you responding to my queries. YOU are claiming to understand the proof, have the proof...and claim its factual knowledge. Lets put this in terms a 5 year old could understand cos clearly its going right over your head:
WE are stating that YOUR opinions about claiming to have factual knowledge of proof is bull crap. A big steaming...pile of bull crap! There is no proof because there is no god. Simple enough?
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Faith is all inclusive, because we all live by faith. This means we all have religion.
I totally understand why a religious person would say that. Because for you, faith = religion.This is what I am trying to get into your head......Non religious based people are not. Faith does not equal religion for me. I have faith the sun will come up tomorrow...and I'm aware that science has proven that we are on a planet turning around the sun and it will rise tomorrow and its based on fact. Hard proven fact that can be looked up. I'm just too lazy to actually go and find the actual hard evidence. But it's there....unlike the evidence for your god.
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Science theory and hypotheses are not always facts. So science is not always facts.
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There are formal religions that do not include a being to be worshiped. Buddhism is one example.
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Another example is the faith that we all live by all the time, as I stated in the paragraph above this one.
I have responded to that already.Quote
LOL. People know that gravity exists because it is around them all the time. They use it everyday. Scientific theories and formulas for gravity may or may not have anything to do with the fact of gravity. Gravity, being fact, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Why? Because gravity was known to exist long before science came along. When you talk about gravity here, your density is starting to match that of notbatman in the FE thread.
Right...so the vikings knew thunder and lightning existed too. They called it god.You only know it was a fact because science has proven it. Not religion or faith. Lots of things were also known to exist long before we had science to nail down HOW and WHY of things. Thats why your god is dwindling....its the god of the gaps..and science is closing that a bit more every day.
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The fact that you respond to my posts is allowing a little of my authority over you. Now you are inviting more. Why do you immerse yourself in things that you detest so much? You are submersing yourself in my authority and continuing to ask for more.
And the fact that you are responding to my posts must mean I have a little authority over you. Long as I'm wasting your time....you have less time to brainwash someone else. Quote
Actually, this might be true. There is some interpretation of parallel universe theory that suggests that spiritually speaking, we might all be in our own universe. But that concept is way beyond anything that this forum is capable of handling, and certainly this thread.
Agreed. And I notice you didn't disagree with my description of your god. Am I finally getting through to you?Quote
Well, do you have scientific proof for it? I mean, can you show the scientific proof? Showing it doesn't mean I will understand it. But if you literally have proof for it, the least you could do is show the proof as I have shown the proof for the existence of God.
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However, BB was only an example. If there is any point in science that has been proven to you, based on someone telling it to you, or on your reading of it in a book or somewhere, without the understanding on your part of how it is a fact, then it is part of your religion... a religious belief for you... even if it is believed by millions of others, and known by still other millions.
Again its the faith = religion for science bull crap......science is NOT a religion for the umteenth time.Quote
People at church believe the priest or minister when they are told things about the particular religion. They often don't know if what they are being told is true or not. Yet they believe (or not). If you don't have and understand the proof for things like the diameter of the sun, or the distance to Jupiter, but have only believed what others have said, then it is all religion for you, even if it is 100% true and factual.
I understand what you are saying, but just flatly disagree with it.Quote
The scientific proof for the existence of God might not be understandable to you, just like other scientific fact might not be understandable to you. We are in a forum. So, you have the right to state that you don't believe something, even in a "proof" thread. But if you are absolutely sure, show the proof. At least Astargath attempts to show the proof that God doesn't exist a little, or that the proof that He exists is faulty. All you do is blab religion.
Awww am I irritating you? Shampies.... I don't have to prove anything. You are the one claiming to have proof. Which is bogus and has been bogus this entire time. Astargath and I are just the only ones calling you out on it , since you seem to be so desperate to negate whatever we say.
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.
LOL! See how well cause and effect works? You posted your post using all kinds of cause and effect operations, from your brain dictating what your fingers do at the keyboard, all the way up to the C&E flow of training that trained your brain to think of what to cause your fingers to type.
Thanks for asking a bunch of easy-to-answer questions.
BTW, when you have such an abundance of proof for the existence of God, like the scientists do, why would they want to make a theory for God? You ask such simplistic questions.
So let me understand it, you claim the evidence is so obvious, so extremely obvious that scientists don't even need to apply the scientific method to it? https://www.compellingtruth.org/scientists-believe-God.html
http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
Interestingly, although some scientists do believe in god, there is a very significant difference on the percentage of scientists that believe in god vs the percentage of other people. ''specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God'' ''By contrast, 95% of Americans believe in some form of deity or higher power'' Are you saying that the average americans are smarter than scientists hahaha, how is it possible that scientists believe less when there is such clear and obvious evidence out there?
Sensitive topic to talk about god..yes we all know that the earth doesn have prove yet that god is really exist...but for me we all have our own god so keep believing.
With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.
I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.
That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.
There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.
The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.
We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.
dude how can it be you are so smart, yet deny the most obvious evidence about evolution?
Me thinks its because you simply are in denial. Don't be afraid of the truth dude. Stop preaching about your stupid invisible sky fairy, ffs
no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.
good lord!!! like you haven't been doing just that in this thread for what...4 years or so now?....
We are all guilty of continuing it as well. We all know he is wrong - why do we continue to entertain him?
well sometimes when I've had a few, I just can't help myself... my bad... LOL
Thank you. I have out-talked you. But, that doesn't make me wrong.
Evidence of adaptation rather than evolution, and scientific proof for God, are essentially self evident in science. That's why evolutionists don't talk about it. They are trying to formulate something other than the truth.
God indeed exists, there is already a miracle that exists in this world
With due respect and recognition to the scientist Charles Darwin for his works and theory, I would say he really did a good job. But as of now I really believe that the theory about evolution had something missing. I am confused why we still have seen monkeys? Why is it that people are not looking like monkeys or monkeys looking to evolve more like to become human. How many years have we been with these animals and why are they still the same? Or why are we still the same. I think the proofs mentioned could be more interesting since we are talking more about genes.
I think you are confused about what thread you are in. If you really have those questions, why don't you just google it? It takes you 20 seconds to google ''why are there still monkeys if we evolved'' which is by the way one of the stupidest arguments ''against evolution''.
That's the point. None of the explanations are anywhere near conclusive. They are all ideas. Some of them seem logical on the surface. But none of them are logical enough to answer the question. Most of them use explanations full of assumptions that bring up more questions than they could ever hope to answer. The reason for this is that evolution is a hoax.
There are only two answers about where life and everything came from. The first is God, taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.
The other is evolution. But evolution is just a story that has many holes in it. All but a very few of the holes are anything more than simple stories that many people have joined over time, but no proof.
We have eye witness reports, and stories that don't make sense because they don't fit reality.
dude how can it be you are so smart, yet deny the most obvious evidence about evolution?
Me thinks its because you simply are in denial. Don't be afraid of the truth dude. Stop preaching about your stupid invisible sky fairy, ffs
no wonder you think that simply because you might be able to out talk someone, is the reason that you are correct.
good lord!!! like you haven't been doing just that in this thread for what...4 years or so now?....
We are all guilty of continuing it as well. We all know he is wrong - why do we continue to entertain him?
well sometimes when I've had a few, I just can't help myself... my bad... LOL
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.
LOL! See how well cause and effect works? You posted your post using all kinds of cause and effect operations, from your brain dictating what your fingers do at the keyboard, all the way up to the C&E flow of training that trained your brain to think of what to cause your fingers to type.
Thanks for asking a bunch of easy-to-answer questions.
BTW, when you have such an abundance of proof for the existence of God, like the scientists do, why would they want to make a theory for God? You ask such simplistic questions.
scientific proof that the god there may be in giving me sustenance and also given a smooth when there is a problem.
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
If it's so exceedingly overwhelming, as you claim, again, why is there no scientific theory? Oh, because it's a waste of time, give me a break with your stupid excuses. How come we have a scientific theory for evolution then? Gravity? Oh yeah, scientists couldn't bother to make one for god, right? Who cares about a supernatural god that created the universe, am I right? They just didn't bother, that's what you are saying. You are a fucking joke lol.
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My delusions might be wrong and irreversible
I'm glad you acknowledge that. Just carry on in that line of thinking. Expand it, feed it...the truth will set you free.
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but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
Ah right...now this is a problem......what FACT exactly? Your belief in something does not make anything TRUE.EG: I could BELIEVE the distance to Jupiter is 300 million kilometers away....I could believe this so strongly I would testify under oath....it still does not make it TRUE when the actual distance is 588 million kilometers. Don't you want to believe in things that are TRUE? Don't you think believing things that are TRUE would be more beneficial as opposed to things that you would like to be true....but still aren't?
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The fact that God exists isn't religion.
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Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically,
You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???What does having a religion or not, have to do with the fact that God exists? It is simply a religion for you due to your unwillingness or inability to understand the proof. Since I understand the proof, and can explain it, and have explained it, it is not a religion for me. Just because I have certain religious beliefs, does not mean that they include the things I have factual knowledge of. Same for you.
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it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
This makes no sense. Religion = faith. Science = facts. Religion = worshipping and giving thanks to an imaginary being for imaginary deeds. Science = not worshipping gravity cos facts state it is F = Gm1m2/r2.Science theory and hypotheses are not always facts. So science is not always facts.
There are formal religions that do not include a being to be worshiped. Buddhism is one example. Another example is the faith that we all live by all the time, as I stated in the paragraph above this one.
LOL. People know that gravity exists because it is around them all the time. They use it everyday. Scientific theories and formulas for gravity may or may not have anything to do with the fact of gravity. Gravity, being fact, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with science. Why? Because gravity was known to exist long before science came along. When you talk about gravity here, your density is starting to match that of notbatman in the FE thread.
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My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
Actually not. Im rejecting the very idea....the thought...the inkling of an idea. Quote
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Yet again...presupposing YOUR beliefs. Clearly my universe which I am currently existing in is different to your universe, which seems to have no room for you, as its taken up by an egomaniacal, pompous windbag.....who has no self esteem and relies on everyone else telling him how great he is.Quote
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true
.Pot calling the kettle black much???
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For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
Technically i'm agnostic on the idea of a big bang.....so moot point.Quote
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
And yet your the one throwing science as a religion? Contradiction much? Science is NOT a religion. Science can back its statements with FACTS. Religion on the other hand...cannot.
Yes I might be taking it on faith that things I have not personally seen and run tests on exist in science, like the diameter of the Sun? I'm taking it on faith that the distance to Jupiter is 588 million kilometers...but other people have run tests....and they have confirmed it using science and scientific methods with equipment
that can verify it....over and over again.
Scientific proof for god...... still none.
The scientific proof for the existence of God might not be understandable to you, just like other scientific fact might not be understandable to you. We are in a forum. So, you have the right to state that you don't believe something, even in a "proof" thread. But if you are absolutely sure, show the proof. At least Astargath attempts to show the proof that God doesn't exist a little, or that the proof that He exists is faulty. All you do is blab religion.
Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.
I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.
And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.
My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.
The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.
My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.
My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.
Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.
The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.
You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.
That's because we are at the conclusion of the proof. The evidence is so exceedingly overwhelming in C&E, entropy, and complexity, that you might as well waste time on formulating hypotheses and theories about it. Go ahead if you want.
Words "scientific", "proof", "god" and "exists" altogether form a funny joke
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