Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 58. (Read 845650 times)

I really believe that science could not prove that God exists, but to prove that everything has had a beginning that we could not even imagine.

I don't see why it has to be a ''who'' that's your first assumption and it's wrong. Your second assumption is saying it's god because... you don't really have any evidence that it's god but it has to be, right? That's your second assumption and it's wrong. Your design argument has been debunked many times throughout history, it's nothing new, it's the same flawed argument. The ''everything has a cause'' argument has been debunked as well, it's called the kalam argument, I believe.

https://www.alternet.org/story/145822/why_%27everything_has_a_cause%27_is_a_terrible_justification_for_god%27s_existence
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design

Your logic is severely flawed Badecker......

I found a better website that explains your fallacy....

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_first_cause

And since you touching on intelligent design fallacy in your arguments as well...
 https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Intelligent_design

Your C&E argument is thus null and void.

You miss the point. Simply because good portions of cars are made by automatic machines, and even though many other machined parts are machined, does that mean that the machines made the cars?

Cause and effect has induced that manufacture of the cars from their first inception right on down to the last polish put on the paint.

Like the machines haven't made the cars, even so the people haven't made the cars. Both machines and people are carrying out the C&E activity that nature has in them.

The only difference between the machines and the people is, the machines don't have the artificial free will that makes them artificially feel good (or, sometimes, artificially feel pain) when they are making cars.

In other words, because people are induce in all their activity by C&E, they aren't really the ones who make cars.

The question asks itself, if it isn't people, then Who is It?

What is there to explain, you asked me how I know a car is man made, I linked a video clearly showing a car being manufactured. We know when cars were invented, what is your argument here lmao.

But you are not considering the part regarding the complexity of cause and effect. All operations of people are totally set into play by cause and effect. The extra handful of electrons that jump the gap in a synapse of yours, that causes the beginning of a change in your attitude, was set into play and place by whatever the things were that caused them to act the way they do. C&E has been acting on everything since the beginning. All of our thoughts are controlled by C&E. Whoever or Whatever set this C&E into place and play, is so extremely great that the word God is way too small for Whatever or Whoever He/It is. And our whole thinking is way off regarding the artificial free will that we have to believe this way or that.

Except that there was enough power in it to keep it going for thousands of years. Consider this. We have the printing press. We can print fake news and get away with it. Stuff had to be hand copied back then. They didn't have time to waste on fake news. They only copied stuff that had power in it.

Ask any scientist, and he will tell you that everything works according to cause and effect that we know about. It may take some of these scientists a moment to consider it, because they are not all focused on C&E. But when they focus on it, you will get essentially the same answer from any of them. Part of the reason for this is that it is self evident... to anyone who can think a little.

Aaand you would know this HOW exactly? Asked him recently have you? Gotten a verbal response at allthatanyoneslecanverify?

Right so straight off the bat the very first sentence says it all....the bible "says".

Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Lmmy2jfeo
And then this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn7TEoA9ark
And also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U
Aaand then just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDx8riNaJg with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZu70lql5Js

And then specially this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GE8iym5Q0w

Wake up and smell the coffee people....its all a bunch of forgeries and fake letters promoting christianity.....total bunch of hogwash. No inerrant word of god here!

I kinda side with Jpti on that one - I think that God exists, but it's not the God that religion teaches us about. Religion was created as a means to control people, at the lowest common denominator level.

All religion might be wrong.
Humans are very new to the planet. So what if the god is amoebic? without a proper brain to process?
Or just a form of energy no shape and form?
While we don't no everything, we should not rule out any possibility.

The complexity of cause and effect shows that God knows every microscopic and macroscopic piece of the universe entirely and completely.

Prove that there is no scientific proof that God exists. After all, there have been lots of scientists at lots of times in the past who didn't think that there was proof for something, and then someone showed them that there was. For example, scientists back in the late 1800s said that everything regarding science that could be found had already been found. Wouldn't you agree that over 100 years later we have found a whole lot more?

Proof for the existence of god:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

Do you know where the world ends?
Do you know how it all works? Entropy? Big Bang?
There's god.
Though it (the god) might not know we exist.

Now you are dumping down denser than notbatman. At least notbatman manages to explain what is in the videos and how it applies. But you don't even know what is in the videos that you suggest... at least not enough to explain it.

There are no scientific proof that God exists but it doesn't men that we should be disrespectful on other people's business.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roertNcQTHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc0X92fZF1Y

This is my proof, what are you trying to argue here, you seem desperate as fuck to be honest.

However, what caused you to think and post the words that you did? We can understand some of those causations. One of them was your parents getting together so that you could have life and do anything at all, even post. Another was all the food you ate so that you could grow up as a child. Another was your parents/guardians and teachers who taught you to speak and write the language. Some of your teachers and others helped to spark the interest in certain phenomena so that you would be interested in posting in this thread.

Those are just a few of the outside cause. The far greater causes, both in number and quantity, were how the energies in your life moved your DNA around to produce you as your own individual. They also made the way you think, along with the chemicals and electrons that bounce around in your brain and nervous system, all without you ever having anything to do with making them work the way they do, or even having the ability to regulate how they work.

Why can't you even regulate how they work? Because if you try, you have even been induced by them to try.

This all means that you are completely, 100 percent controlled by your environment, to think and act in every little way you do, without having the least input into anything that happens to you. All your desire and will to act is produced by chemicals and bioelectrics that move you in every which way.

Since you have no control whatsoever, and since even the feeling of control is something that is induced by cause and effect, and since the same C&E hasn't let you even begin to understand it until now, all of your freedom is artificial freedom, and this far in your life you have simply lacked any understanding of this, until I have pointed it out to you right here and now.

What will the C&E processes do further regarding this? I don't know. But you will show us. The C&E processes might cause you to vehemently spout off that you are free and have your own free will. They might cause you to simply badmouth me. They might have already moved you on towards some other Internet project and you might not be back here for days. But the odds seem to be that you won't easily understand how your life is controlled in every little tiny way by the things that caused you to be and act and think and feel the way you do.

You are completely an artificial entity, with artificial free will... but more than likely, not even an entity at all.

Whatever you do, and whatever anyone else does, it has all been set in place to happen the way it does through cause and effect, from some past time that we might call the beginning, by some Entity that is so extremely great, that the simplest and smallest part of Him is way beyond our understanding.

Have fun as you move along in your ignorance.

Ask old BaDecker who created his god, the answer is nothing short of hilarious.  Ironically enough the specious reasoning used by BD to try and prove his god exists is the same specious reasoning the flat earthers use, BD can understand the specious reasoning used in the FE thread but his religious indoctrination doesn't allow him to see it when he uses it.

Whenever I see someone argue so vehemently using specious reasoning I immediately think of Homer Simpson!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw