Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 59. (Read 845654 times)

The interesting thing is that all you can do is say you did some debunking. I, on the other hand, am continually debunking your stuff over and over in ways that you can not answer with any logic whatsoever.

Answer my question in my previous post, above, if you can.

Where's your proof?   

God dont punish suicide, it is their negative thoughts that provoking them. 

I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.

Right or wrong?

Set it up!!! I'll be there..

Yeah, well, I debunked his fallacies a few hundred posts ago but he always comes back saying the same stupid shit, not much you can do to convince a nutjob but that's a nice website.

Hes talking about the complexity fallacy:

Fallacy 1: The World Needs God As Creator Fallacy
A traditional and still popular notion is that the world is so complex that it needed God to create it. Our origins fascinated even ancient societies and various myths described creation. Monotheists started from ancient times to claim God was necessary as the Creator. This has continued through Thomas Aquinas and William Paley even to Antony Flew who eventually converted to theism because he came to see a need for a creator God as designer of our world.

However the notion that a sophisticated world needs God as its Creator and designer is logically fallacious in two major ways.

Even the most famous design argument and analogy, that of William Paley (1743-1805) who wrote just as a sophisticated watch (unlike a rock) implies a watchmaker, a complex world implies a Creator who is God, has this fallacy. Suppose, as Paley did, that a watch implies a watchmaker, that watchmaker is not God and is not immortal. Likewise even supposing the world has a Creator, that Creator need be neither God nor even immortal. Furthermore, unlike in Paley’s day we are aware not just of evolutionary processes but also of robotic manufacture and artificial computer-like intelligences. Yes, there is a mystery concerning our ultimate genesis, but God is not needed as the solution.

The other fallacy is if one claims the world required a more sophisticated being, God, to create it, one is attempting to solve a problem by creating a yet greater problem. If we are in need of a creator God who is more powerful and greater than us to bring us into existence, that greater God being more wondrous than us would be even more in need than us of some Creator to create and explain it! Indeed as, unlike us, God would be immortally God, it could not develop nor evolve to its present glory over time but must be from the very beginning omnipotent and omniscient – an extraordinary phenomenon, far more inexplicable than even us. Far from solving or explaining the problem of our ultimate origin, the concept of God is actually massively enhancing the problem.

So the notion that God is needed to or even can satisfactorily explain existence as we see it is logically fallacious.

Source: http://www.godfallacies.com/

I know a car and a computer are man made, what do you mean?

Wow...just wow.....its like they feed of each other?? Its super fun to watch.

ROFL 

Do you find the complexity of a car or computer forming naturally, without some intelligent guidance?

Complexity forms naturally, like a seed into a plant, it doesn't need a god or anyone, complexity does not indicate creation, sorry.

In the Quran* He is the real god, not your silly bible god, be careful or you will go to hell for saying these things, please, do not disrespect the real god, allah.

The real God that science shows exists, and Whose nature is clearly explained in the Bible, and Who possibly shouldn't even be called "God," because He is unfathomably greater than anything we think of when we say "God."

When you get down into the micro of matter far enough, you find that all matter is energy. We don't have an example of any matter that is NOT some form of energy within its core existence.

The kind of complexity. If there were no human life and spirit complexity, even though there might be some complexity that approaches it, then we might be able to conclude that we needed something more than complexity. But because the complexity is of the mankind type, and is a complexity beyond mankind's ability to figure out, the beyond-mankind thing that made this complexity fits the definition of God.

How do you know that, though?

God definitely exists. You guys need to look into the real world guys this is not the real world this world is nothing compared to the real world in heaven. And yes there is a hell. The hell fire is 20x times worse than Volcano Lava Fire.

cientific evidence that God exists exists indeed with the existence of the earth and the universe is also a very beautiful universe for us to use.

Rofl, heaven is space and earth is matter because you say so? Give me a break with your bullshit interpretations. No thanks. Leave.

From what I've learned, the universe is holding in a fine tuned line. It cannot exist without the constant forces of gravity, dispersion, etc. Even our DNA is made up of a finely tuned mechanism of molecules that seems to be designed and not merely just randomly existed. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. "beginning" is time, "heaven" is space and "earth" is matter. The Big Bang theory also suggests that these 3 elements are the major components of the universe.