Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 56. (Read 845591 times)

I'm glad you acknowledge that. Just carry on in that line of thinking. Expand it, feed it...the truth will set you free.

Ah right...now this is a problem......what FACT exactly? Your belief in something does not make anything TRUE.

EG: I could BELIEVE the distance to Jupiter is 300 million kilometers away....I could believe this so strongly I would testify under oath....it still does not make it TRUE when the actual distance is 588 million kilometers. Don't you want to believe in things that are TRUE? Don't you think believing things that are TRUE would be more beneficial as opposed to things that you would like to be true....but still aren't?

Again, your beliefs are presupposed here.

You have just admitted that having religion means that you don't know....but yet are stating....(as a fact that cannot be verified by anyone else) that YOU know god exists....and scientifically at that...wow did you find something that can be proven, demonstrable, quantifiable, testable and repeatable that thousands of other scientific people have somehow missed???

 This makes no sense. Religion =  faith. Science = facts. Religion = worshipping and giving thanks to an imaginary being for imaginary deeds. Science = not worshipping gravity cos facts state it is F = Gm1m2/r2.

Actually not. Im rejecting the very idea....the thought...the inkling of an idea.  

Yet again...presupposing YOUR beliefs. Clearly my universe which I am currently existing in is different to your universe, which seems to have no room for you, as its taken up by an egomaniacal, pompous windbag.....who has no self esteem and relies on everyone else telling him how great he is.

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Pot calling the kettle black much???

Technically i'm agnostic on the idea of a big bang.....so moot point.

And yet your the one throwing science as a religion? Contradiction much?

Science is NOT a religion. Science can back its statements with FACTS. Religion on the other hand...cannot.

Yes I might be taking it on faith that things I have not personally seen and run tests on exist in science, like the diameter of the Sun? I'm taking it on faith that the distance to Jupiter is 588 million kilometers...but other people have run tests....and they have confirmed it using science and scientific methods with equipment
that can verify it....over and over again.

Scientific proof for god...... still none.

You keep claiming that science proves god exists yet I have never seen a scientific theory, hypothesis or anything related to ''god'', have you? How come we have so many fake (as you claim) scientific theories like evolution with a ton of evidence behind it and yet not a single one for god, seems strange to me.

My delusions might be wrong and irreversible, but the fact that science proves that God exists isn't one of them.

The fact that God exists isn't religion. Religion is something that we don't really know, but have to take on faith or trust. Since I know that God exists, scientifically, it is you who are including yourself in potential non-facts, which you call a religion because you don't understand the science involved. So it isn't my religion. It's yours.

My authority over you is close to nothing. If you spit on it, and refuse it, then you must be accepting, or at least inviting, greater authority over you.

My God is the God of the universe. Are you trying to push yourself out of the universe? Just because you don't know that He owns you, doesn't mean He doesn't.

Just because you write on a napkin "the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true," doesn't mean that it is true. For example. You might think that you know that Big Bang is real. But if you don't understand BB math, you really only believe, and BB is really only a religion for you. Someone else who knows the math might know that BB could actually be real.

The point is, you are talking religion in this science thread.

Badecker it really is pointless trying to reason with you. Your delusions are irreversible. Wrong and irreversible.

And how dare you include me in your religious delusion.

I refute, refuse and spit on your so called authority over me....your god does not own me cos your silly book of old toilet paper says so. I could also write on a paper napkin that the Flying Spaghetti Monster owns everything in the universe. Its written...therefore it must be true.......There, you now belong to Him.

And once again you are arguing from a fallacy : https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

You want to see your god in everything...fine, go right ahead. But leave other people out of your delusions.

You will have to think about this to understand, but the proof is shown herein:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10718395
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.16803380.

I actually want to also see some proof but onlines are all bunch of edited pics etc

Since that ^^^ is what you are expressing to believe and understand, why not place the word "god" in caps, like it should be, and so honor Him like you should?

You constantly want to be mixed up. There is no evidence in nature for anything other than the right to do with one's property what he wants. We even have the saying, "Might makes right." And kids all over the place use the saying, "I owned you," when they beat someone in a game. Be glad God is being merciful with you, because He owns you.

C&E, entropy, and complexity, as they are combined in our universe, are proof for the existence of God. Note that I said "existence." I didn't say "description." Whatever the Thing is that works the C&E, complexity, and entropy in the universe, it is God. Why don't you look on the positive side rather than continuing to play with words? Start to look for the rest of the scientific details about God, rather than attempting to deny the existence of C&E, or entropy, or complexity.

You know that some of what is said in the Bible is real, because of the miraculous way the Bible came into existence, and the way the nation of Israel has impacted the world, just as explained in the Bible. The most important thing that we know from the Bible is that God is real, and that He talks to us through the Bible. He tells us that we need to accept His things that we don't know are real, on faith, because He said them.

But we accept things on faith all the time, anyway. For example. Part of the reason we attempt to take our next breath is because we have a natural faith that there is going to be air for us to breathe. Since we are living on faith, and our faith bears out the fact of the existence of air and our ability to breathe it, why fight the reality of the existence of God and His power? Why fight believing the things that He says in His Word about the fact that we will never understand everything about Him in this life?

Your religious conviction that God doesn't exist flies in the face of science and nature that shows that He does exist.

The bible is true because god says the bible is true therefore god exists. Eye witnesses that claim to have seen god are real because a book says so, therefore it has to be true.

Which Zeus? When you watch the latest Wonder Woman movies, Zeus is shown to be something made up by people who make the movies. Besides, Zeus doesn't fit the God Who operates through cause and effect.

There are many things about the God of the Bible that can't be proven by human abilities. That's where faith comes it, because the existence and power of God have been proven by science, and witnessed by the witnesses who wrote the Bible.

Zeus isn't God, but the God of the Bible is. Your feelings pushed you in the wrong direction this time. Oops! I mean all the time.

Badecker thinks slavery is ok because if you are the ''owner'' of something you can do whatever you want with it, he also thinks homosexuality is bad. Obviously the bible is an amazing moral guide, isn't it? I can kill my dog if I want to, right badecker?

''These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily'' And C&E, entropy and complexity could be proof for literally anything you can imagine, like different gods or advanced alien civilizations or a computer simulation.

''I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.'' Nope. You read a book, which claims that god exists. How do you know what is said in the book is real? You don't.

I explained how it works, in my post you quoted, directly above your post that I am now responding to.


These aren't proof for evolution. Why not? Because they could be proof for non-evolutionary adaptation much more easily. It all has to do with someone arbitrarily explaining them as part of evolution, because he wants to.


The thing that is interesting is that I can explain how they must prove God's existence, but you can't even explain any way they could exist together without God.


Just because they don't describe the substance of God, doesn't mean that they don't prove that God exists. After all, the things of the universe prove that empty-space/emptiness/nothingness exists. Yet none of the things of the universe explain what the substance of emptiness/nothingness/empty-space is. Even math has a difficult time getting even a little handle on it. The way the universe exists shows that both God and emptiness exist, without describing the substance of either.



When you are the owner, you have the right to do with your property what you wish. Be glad that God is merciful with you and all people. If He weren't, you would have been destroyed long ago for your obstinacy towards Him. And He would be righteous in destroying you for anything or for nothing. After all, you are His property lock, stock, and barrel.

''All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts. '' No we don't, you claim we do but how do you know it? Have you talked to someone that saw God? And even if you did, why believe him?

Genetics, biology, fossils and DNA prove evolution is real.

''The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists'' You think those 3 things prove god exists but they don't as shown before many times. You already believed in God before knowing anything about entropy or cause and effect, then you found those 3 things and convinced yourself that they are the proof for God without realizing that you already believed in God before that.

None of those 3 things prove god exists, they could prove at most that the universe has a beginning but they provide 0 information about what or who created it. Keep telling yourself is god.

And remember to kill everyone who works on the sabbath and you can have slaves.

All you are saying is that science will never be conclusive in any area, because nobody knows that sometime in the future, the best and most trusted science won't change because of some currently unknown factor. Yet we trust science that is clear and abundant, especially when it is simple, and existent in many forms.

The science of cause and effect, entropy and complexity, which prove God exists, is science that is readily seen in simple form, and is available all over the place in billions or trillions of forms and observations. At the same time, nothing that we observe has been proven to entirely escape C&E, entropy or complexity.

The science of evolution has never been observed without a large amount of explanation that is not known to be a correct interpretation of what is being observed. And actually, all of the so-called evolution observations can be much more easily interpreted to have their existence because of things other than evolution.



All you are saying is that we don't have any proof, but we have eye witness accounts.

The firm mindset of the nation of Israel in recording and reporting their family history is proof of Bible truth. The point that Israel, one of the smallest nations of the world, yet one of the strongest, which has been around for 3,500 years (longer if you count their roots in Abraham), is proof that God is doing something powerful to show us His Word has strength.

You seem to want to exemplify a bunch of inconclusive evolution talk, talk which shows its assumptive quality right within itself, rather than accept the exceedingly strong scientific points of C&E, entropy, complexity, machine quality of the universe, and the science history of Israel and the Bible.

God is reality. The Bible is proven to be His Word. Evolution is dis-proven by its own writings, by science, by nature, and by the Bible.

Your talk is simply opposition to the truth.

I feel the presence of Zeus, therefore Zeus is real, thanks for proving that Zeus is real. Everyone says they ''feel'' their god and yet not all of them can be real at the same time, can they?

I remember when I was in grade 8, my former teacher said that "God is like the wind, you can't see but you can feel his presence"

This thread is like a holy war arena between believers in God and atheists  Chill out, dickwads - he'll be back

None of your explanations about why god is real are conclusive either and they are all ideas so what's your point? It's actually quite simple, the answer to ''why are there still monkeys'' is: monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor which is proved to be true thanks to genetics. It's true that scientists still have to all agree on what the timeline is exactly (which it's quite hard unless we can time travel)

''taken from eye witness accounts that go back to the beginning. This isn't proof. But it is eye witnesses.'' No it's not, you have to prove those eye witness existed otherwise every religious book has eye witnesses talking about different gods.

Yes for sure, do really exist. That's why he is called omniscience, science can't understand his ways.

Science can’t explain everything. For example the origin of universe. They are all theories.