Topic: Scientific proof that God exists? - page 60. (Read 845591 times)
when I feel I am nobody, I can not do anything I pray and ask the god to help me and God comes to help me through people closest to me so I can find a way out for all my problems. that is where I believe that God exists
On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:
The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.
The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.
Waaaaa? In Christian belief Jesus was never to be one to fight any victory through waging war. Jesus never looked at territorial claims of the Jews.
if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.
Please go read up on this website: http://www.godfallacies.com/This will explain your fallacy.....
if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.
Which god?
if you ask the scientific evidence about the existence of god then you already know the answer, for example like yourself, try to think, you are so smart and great, logically there must be other intelligence that created you and that is proof that god exist.
Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.
Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.
Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.
Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.
They don't. Religion just makes up stuff for no reason, they invented gods with no evidence for them and they still have nothing to prove gods exist to this day. Entropy, cause and effect and complexity do not prove god exists, you could merely come to the conclusion that the universe did indeed have a beginning, what was the beginning? We don't know, you claim it's god for some reason.
There is no evidence from science that God exists...
Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.
Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.
Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.
Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.
No one knows for sure. You don't either.
What if it was repeatable? If the universe had always been there just stuck in an endless grow and shrink loop? You seem to be fixated on science as a religion. Build a bridge and get over it.
What your saying is by believing in something we can measure, is quantifiable(its how we got to the age of the universe btw), we have tested for it and is currently demonstrable....is like a religion?? Riiiight.
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And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.
Lets take a deeper look at that shall we?1. Mayan religion believed they had a sacrifice a human heart......every.....single.....day. Or the sun would not come up. Very scientific...
2. Scientology believes we have aliens inside us. Prove that...please.
3. Christians believe there is a piece of Jesus's foreskin that has magical powers. Very scientific indeed......I bet all sorts of people have tested that over the years...specially nuns. Just saying.....
4. The jewish practise of transferring "sin" onto a chicken\goat\animal and then killing it. Verrrry scientific....
5.The cargo cult of the Tanna island, formed in the early 1900's.....very scientific!
I could go on and on......
The point is people believe whatever they want to believe...and there is no scientific facts in sight....people still believe in superstitious crap. Look at all the old and dead religions....how many gods and beliefs are no longer around?
With science....the universe could be wiped clean...and the same facts about how and why things work would come out EXACTLY the same......everytime.
Religion has nothing to do with knowledge, cos facts and science ruin and destroy it.
Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.
Is Big Bang Theory science or not? It certainly isn't "demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable." Yet there are loads of people who "believe" it. When they believe it without demonstrability, testability, repeatability, and quantifiability, they certainly aren't acting scientifically. So, how are they acting? Seems like they are acting religiously.
Religion and science overlap. They overlap as shown above. And they overlap because some of the doctrines or knowledge of almost every religion can be scientifically proven to be correct.
Add to this the fact that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity - this universe - couldn't exist in any way we might guess at, except that God existed to make it all.
I thank you for the breakdown.
But, wishy washy half truths are still not proper answers.
Your argument is that we are treating science as a religion and god is higher than our science so its the "what technology\science is to us.....would be indistinguishable from magic to cavemen" routine is pathetic. You don't know any better than we do. Its all postulating.
Your deflection that this is a science thread is also pointless.
The question asked was for scientific proof that god exists. My statement was there is no god, therefore no proof.
Your statement was there is a god that you believe exists that science cant prove yet. Your belief is based on things you don't fully understand....so therefore god exists.
Am I correct?
Your further breakdown of my previous statement is also hilariously wrong. "Science doesn't understand anything."
Perhaps your lack of understanding of what science actually does, and is...is your basis on how you came to be so wrong.
Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.
Religion requires none of those....just "faith". Which again is believing in something with a complete lack of evidence. Your argument to counter this was there is always some piece of evidence? Which would be what? The bible for most people is all they need. Infact even when confronted with full proof that the bible is a load of man made rubbish made to control people written by bronze age idiots, and massively false and fake, people refuse to accept it....its called cognitive dissonance.
And your admission that christians had people killed because they were heretics as a "mistake" is unfathomable........cos so much death and blood and pain and terror and torture has been caused over the centuries because of christianity is easy to just wash away as a "mistake".... You cant even look with clear and objective eyes at your own history. You are a waste of time and space. Go sit in the children's corner and be quiet, grownups are talking now.
But, wishy washy half truths are still not proper answers.
Your argument is that we are treating science as a religion and god is higher than our science so its the "what technology\science is to us.....would be indistinguishable from magic to cavemen" routine is pathetic. You don't know any better than we do. Its all postulating.
Your deflection that this is a science thread is also pointless.
The question asked was for scientific proof that god exists. My statement was there is no god, therefore no proof.
Your statement was there is a god that you believe exists that science cant prove yet. Your belief is based on things you don't fully understand....so therefore god exists.
Am I correct?
Your further breakdown of my previous statement is also hilariously wrong. "Science doesn't understand anything."
Perhaps your lack of understanding of what science actually does, and is...is your basis on how you came to be so wrong.
Science runs\is on facts. Facts that are demonstrable, testable, repeatable and quantifiable.
Religion requires none of those....just "faith". Which again is believing in something with a complete lack of evidence. Your argument to counter this was there is always some piece of evidence? Which would be what? The bible for most people is all they need. Infact even when confronted with full proof that the bible is a load of man made rubbish made to control people written by bronze age idiots, and massively false and fake, people refuse to accept it....its called cognitive dissonance.
And your admission that christians had people killed because they were heretics as a "mistake" is unfathomable........cos so much death and blood and pain and terror and torture has been caused over the centuries because of christianity is easy to just wash away as a "mistake".... You cant even look with clear and objective eyes at your own history. You are a waste of time and space. Go sit in the children's corner and be quiet, grownups are talking now.
For me , perosnaly god exist in my head and i can easily talk to him. He isn't answer because always busy but i don't need any other proofs of God's existing.
On the face of it, I disagree that "the thread of salvation through the Messiah runs throughout the whole" of the Bible. I found that the Dead Sea Scrolls support my position:
The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.
The messiah, according to Jewish [and early Christian] belief, was not a God that would deliver his people by clearing their way to heaven. The messiah was to be an empowered King who would destroy the enemies of the Jews and regain their Holy Land.
I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.
Is any of this scientific proof for or against?
I propose a seminar.. or at least a wee room filled with those that keep this topic going, with interesting comments.. lets see for ourselves the evidence both for and against. I say this, because I have offered to prove the existance of a diety some would call god. After providing the evidence, no one will have any doubt that even god fears what I will show.. and hence the silence with regards to my 'correct' points of view, that many want 'hushed up'.. hence they naysayers.. quite smply, if the devil exists, so does god.. light is his body, but light of the fire, hence the devil, or the ball above our heads, fact is they are two seperate entities in accordance with distance, and scientific fact, one will suck us into the earth to a hell, or one will drag us through space to burn in an even bigger light.
The Science itself is a proof that God exist. Why? Because Science also believe that there is a Divine Power behind the mystery of the world. Yes, no one can explain what is the image of God, but through the amazing creatures He had create is enough evidence that He is existing.
So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
Well, actually, I wasn't saying that at all. This is a science knowledge thread. My or anybody's religious beliefs aren't the topic of this thread. You are starting to sound like Astargath... religion rather than science.You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
BTW, nobody believes anything in a complete lack of evidence situation. Their evidence might only be that they are aware of something. So, there is always some evidence.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Actually, it's the other way around much of the time. There are many scientists who ask for guidance from God regarding their discoveries, and God guides them.Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
What am I saying? When you spell something, it's the same word that the witches use when they cast a spell. You better have it "spelled" correctly or it won't work.
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
Everybody in religion makes mistakes. Many people of the Christian religion make mistakes. Many people of the science religion make mistakes.
The thing I am trying to do is show you scientifically that God is a Science Guy, at least with regard to scientists. His science is so far beyond that science of scientists of this world, that many of our science think that God is a Religion Guy.
Many science people understand how C&E + entropy + complexity show that God exists, even though none of them can actually grab a hold of Him. It's similar with empty space. Empty space is essentially "nothing." It penetrates the universe. You can measure it's existence by measuring relationships in things within empty space. But you can't grab hold of empty space. Empty space doesn't produce complexity. But like empty space exists, God exists and produces complexity. One day our science might reach a little of the level of God science.
So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
He agrees that all of those things just show that there is something that created everything, then he always says that that something has to be god because it fits the definition of god, what he doesn't understand is how do we even came up with the definition of god in the first place.
So Badecker...just so I understand what your trying to say:
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
You believe that C&E + entropy + complexity = god?? Really? That's your reason for believing in a god?
The sea is huge and mighty, and terrible storms kill many people and sink boats and all the mighty creatures that dwell in its vast depths have therefore convinced me that Poseidon is real.........or I could believe that red + bells + snow = Santa!
You also are trying to fall back on the "Science doesn't understand Religion" routine which is fine....but understanding religion is not what Science has to do...cos it comes down to faith (which is believing in something despite the complete lack of evidence) which goes against everything scientific.
Understanding the Universe is what WE have to do. You religious nuts are very happy to just say "God did it" and that's the end of it.
If curious minds never inquired about the HOW and WHY of things...you wouldn't be sitting in front of your LED-backlit display using thin-film-transistor liquid-crystal displays on your portable laptop connected to a world wide network of fibre optic cables that are the thickness of 0.5mm made of glass and can transmit terabytes if not petabytes of information......none of which we would have today if us heretics had given up cos they were happy with "God did it".
Do you know the one of first female mathematicians (Hypatia 370-415 AD) was dragged out and killed by a christian mob for being a heretic?
Can you imagine how far our society would have progressed if she had flourished? If she had kids and they grew up maths whizs....If all scientific knowledge had been encouraged instead of suppressed...we are almost 1500 years behind scientifically were we could have been.....thanks to religion.
Scientific evidence of God exists, because there is this nature ..!
like there is a cake in front of us, it is impossible that the cake is made alone without anyone making the dough.
like there is a cake in front of us, it is impossible that the cake is made alone without anyone making the dough.
Science can not prove that God exists in life. God is only spiritual. live in the soul of each person.
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