Topic: Seasteading - page 12. (Read 26931 times)
Thailand is already well developed, you may consider its neighbor, Burma. I was talking to a Vietnamese friend not long ago, and she's investing in Myanmar. The country's opening up, and there is plenty of opportunities for foreigners with cash in hand.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats are the cheapest to make. No? 
Yes. Concrete is the cheapest and most resilient material against salt water. Most seasteaders choose that as their material. I am fairly certain that The Seasteading Institute plans on creating huge 50 meters platforms out of concrete.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats would be good if they are separate from each other. But concrete is fragile when it bangs against concrete over and over. It would be very difficult to attach them together for a large platform. Anything that would be flexible and strong enough to separate the units would likely degrade in salt water over time.
Steel has been used for ship building for decades. It can also bang against each other over and over without degradation. Also, polyurea adheres best to steel, which is what I would use for coating to protect from salt water.
I address the reason for steel in my design outline: https://discuss.seasteading.org/t/my-viva-vivas-seastead-design/921/2
The prices for steel, particularly stainless, are not realistic. Stainless is not available for $500 per ton.
For comparison, look at SCRAP prices here:
http://www.scrapmonster.com/scrap-prices/category/Stainless-Steel/151/1/1
How would you be protected from pirates and such? Most countries can't protect their citizen on land and can't effectvally watch all waterflow.
Also a certain nation in Asia(North Korea) has reports of abducting people from boats in sea, they may attack you and the outside world would never know what happened.
And I don't think the nations and people fleeing to live outside their jurisdiction, I think even the "host" nation would be a threat
Also a certain nation in Asia(North Korea) has reports of abducting people from boats in sea, they may attack you and the outside world would never know what happened.
And I don't think the nations and people fleeing to live outside their jurisdiction, I think even the "host" nation would be a threat
I am currently in Tahiti for a seasteading conference. Should be interesting. Spent the last few weeks scoping out Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Thailand seems like it has good potential.
Wow. Thailand seem a good place to build it, that part of SE Asia don't usually get strong typhoons. Might have to consider the conflict over the South China Sea though. You wouldn't want China to think you're a shill for someone and that the project would be used by other claimants to build settlements on the disputed waters.
Seasteading... one of the weakest "nations" on earth.
So weak that they might be ignored as not-a-threat by other nations in a time of war, or they might be taken out as an easy precaution.
Fun, though, until then.
So weak that they might be ignored as not-a-threat by other nations in a time of war, or they might be taken out as an easy precaution.
Fun, though, until then.
I am currently in Tahiti for a seasteading conference. Should be interesting. Spent the last few weeks scoping out Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam. Thailand seems like it has good potential.
Just two things I'd miss if I chose to live like that are space to walk around and freedom to buy stuff I need at any moment.
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
Initially it would be no different than living on a sailboat moored out in the water. You order your parts on Amazon, have it shipped to an address at a harbor address or marina, you take a dingy to the marina and get your supplies.
With many people on the seasteads, there will likely be someone going back and forth almost daily. It would likely be commonplace for people to pick up someone else's mail.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats are the cheapest to make. No?
Yes. Concrete is the cheapest and most resilient material against salt water. Most seasteaders choose that as their material. I am fairly certain that The Seasteading Institute plans on creating huge 50 meters platforms out of concrete.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats would be good if they are separate from each other. But concrete is fragile when it bangs against concrete over and over. It would be very difficult to attach them together for a large platform. Anything that would be flexible and strong enough to separate the units would likely degrade in salt water over time.
Steel has been used for ship building for decades. It can also bang against each other over and over without degradation. Also, polyurea adheres best to steel, which is what I would use for coating to protect from salt water.
I address the reason for steel in my design outline: https://discuss.seasteading.org/t/my-viva-vivas-seastead-design/921/2
I, also, would prefer steel over concrete. But the expense of steel would be prohibitive right now, at the beginning.
I say start small, and use concrete. Gradually convert to steel as people come on board and add their funds.
Of course, if funds aren't a problem, do the steel right from the start.
Set it up this way, with the idea of conversion in mind, so that it is built in a way that can be converted more easily.
The cost for the steel required for my initial prototype would be less than $10k. For me that is not cost prohibitive.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats are the cheapest to make. No?
Yes. Concrete is the cheapest and most resilient material against salt water. Most seasteaders choose that as their material. I am fairly certain that The Seasteading Institute plans on creating huge 50 meters platforms out of concrete.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats would be good if they are separate from each other. But concrete is fragile when it bangs against concrete over and over. It would be very difficult to attach them together for a large platform. Anything that would be flexible and strong enough to separate the units would likely degrade in salt water over time.
Steel has been used for ship building for decades. It can also bang against each other over and over without degradation. Also, polyurea adheres best to steel, which is what I would use for coating to protect from salt water.
I address the reason for steel in my design outline: https://discuss.seasteading.org/t/my-viva-vivas-seastead-design/921/2
I, also, would prefer steel over concrete. But the expense of steel would be prohibitive right now, at the beginning.
I say start small, and use concrete. Gradually convert to steel as people come on board and add their funds.
Of course, if funds aren't a problem, do the steel right from the start.
Set it up this way, with the idea of conversion in mind, so that it is built in a way that can be converted more easily.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats are the cheapest to make. No?
Yes. Concrete is the cheapest and most resilient material against salt water. Most seasteaders choose that as their material. I am fairly certain that The Seasteading Institute plans on creating huge 50 meters platforms out of concrete.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats would be good if they are separate from each other. But concrete is fragile when it bangs against concrete over and over. It would be very difficult to attach them together for a large platform. Anything that would be flexible and strong enough to separate the units would likely degrade in salt water over time.
Steel has been used for ship building for decades. It can also bang against each other over and over without degradation. Also, polyurea adheres best to steel, which is what I would use for coating to protect from salt water.
I address the reason for steel in my design outline: https://discuss.seasteading.org/t/my-viva-vivas-seastead-design/921/2
Just two things I'd miss if I chose to live like that are space to walk around and freedom to buy stuff I need at any moment.
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
Initially it would be no different than living on a sailboat moored out in the water. You order your parts on Amazon, have it shipped to an address at a harbor address or marina, you take a dingy to the marina and get your supplies.
With many people on the seasteads, there will likely be someone going back and forth almost daily. It would likely be commonplace for people to pick up someone else's mail.
I like the idea. So how would one set about governing an island like this? I remember a simpsons episode where they instated a mandatory conga-line for people that broke the rules.
How do you see that? How would conflicts be resolved?
How do you see that? How would conflicts be resolved?
As a libertarian I have my own ideas of governance but considering the first seastead will be within the waters of a nation, there is not much point in deciding now with people who don't actually live on the seastead. I would leave such things to be determined by those who actually take the action of uprooting their lives and live on the seastead. They would know best how things should be run. The initial governance would be under the host nation's governance.
Concrete hulled pontoon boats are the cheapest to make. No?
This is a very interesting idea. There are some things I'd be concerned about though. How easy would it be to fly of from the stead? Someone might need an emergency procedure done that doctors in the island can't perform requiring a trip back to the mainland. Also, how fast can these thing be moved? If you build them anywhere in the Pacific you'd have to move them a safe distance from projected paths of typhoons. Even far from all the winds and rain of those pesky things, they'd churn up the water, risking the safety of the islands.
Typhoons and hurricanes do not exist on the equator.
Well I hope it stay that way. I live in the Philippines and we have a love-hate relationship with typhoons so it was the first thing I started to worry about when I thought about living on water. So basically, after the units are made, it could be placed anywhere on that storm-less band? Are you thinking of multiple settlements on that area? I was wondering where would be the perfect spot that's far enough from any country but close enough to fly to a city for medical emergencies.
Just two things I'd miss if I chose to live like that are space to walk around and freedom to buy stuff I need at any moment.
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
I suppose each unit would have their own solar panels. Maybe they can just hook up their electric stove to it should any central generator fail.
This is a very interesting idea. There are some things I'd be concerned about though. How easy would it be to fly of from the stead? Someone might need an emergency procedure done that doctors in the island can't perform requiring a trip back to the mainland. Also, how fast can these thing be moved? If you build them anywhere in the Pacific you'd have to move them a safe distance from projected paths of typhoons. Even far from all the winds and rain of those pesky things, they'd churn up the water, risking the safety of the islands.
Typhoons and hurricanes do not exist on the equator.
Well I hope it stay that way. I live in the Philippines and we have a love-hate relationship with typhoons so it was the first thing I started to worry about when I thought about living on water. So basically, after the units are made, it could be placed anywhere on that storm-less band? Are you thinking of multiple settlements on that area? I was wondering where would be the perfect spot that's far enough from any country but close enough to fly to a city for medical emergencies.
Just two things I'd miss if I chose to live like that are space to walk around and freedom to buy stuff I need at any moment.
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
I suppose each unit would have their own solar panels. Maybe they can just hook up their electric stove to it should any central generator fail.
Just two things I'd miss if I chose to live like that are space to walk around and freedom to buy stuff I need at any moment.
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
What if you get sick and need medicine that you don't have in stock? What if a panel controller breaks and you are left with no lights and no way to cook food? Where do you get spare parts and how long will it take?
I like the idea. So how would one set about governing an island like this? I remember a simpsons episode where they instated a mandatory conga-line for people that broke the rules.
How do you see that? How would conflicts be resolved?
How do you see that? How would conflicts be resolved?
I am toying with the idea a little. Do they have chemtrails over there? If they do, we can always float her elsewhere.
There will come a time that the oceans will turn into red algae because of the pollution. At that time living on the land might be better.
There will come a time that the oceans will turn into red algae because of the pollution. At that time living on the land might be better.
It is interesting, I live overseas and hardly ever see chemtrails. When I saw a picture my brother posted back in the US and saw the sky I was surprised by the amount in the sky. I am still not entirely convinced but such things give me pause. I would say that it likely has more to do with the amount of planes in the sky. Being in Afghanistan there are no planes flying over.
Higher concentrations of nitrogen in the water may be a good thing for some of the algae farms, benefiting the seastead. Such proposals have been made to actually help curb water pollution.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN0WF6gNbcA
This is a very interesting idea. There are some things I'd be concerned about though. How easy would it be to fly of from the stead? Someone might need an emergency procedure done that doctors in the island can't perform requiring a trip back to the mainland. Also, how fast can these thing be moved? If you build them anywhere in the Pacific you'd have to move them a safe distance from projected paths of typhoons. Even far from all the winds and rain of those pesky things, they'd churn up the water, risking the safety of the islands.
Typhoons and hurricanes do not exist on the equator.
I like the idea because it seems to appeal to people who I consider to be problems. To bad none of them will ever get around to actually doing it.
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