Topic: Seasteading - page 4. (Read 26917 times)

You may want to look up the term 'governance'.


Again, you try to mix and match projects (there is this thing called 'time', there is past, present and future...). In Thailand self governance was part of the project because we were more than 12nm out. In Panama our project is not even seasteading because we are in a nation's territorial waters with no special economic zone.

Of the few different options of toilets, none of them will cost over $5000. That is easy to factor into the cost.

Toilets on a boat are not a new thing. All the people on the project have lived on a boat at some point. Not sure what your obsession is about toilets. We are looking mainly at an incinerating toilet but also exploring the option of composting or just marine toilets with tanks. The priority being that it needs to be convenient for the user (no learning curve required).

We can have a long discussion on toilets and poop and how it breaks down, how long it takes, etc. if you want. Most people are not fans of discussing poop but you seem to be into it.

There are much bigger engineering challenges than that though. Adding a toilet is easy, making a home that can withstand 2-3 meter waves is the one we are more focused on "getting right".


We are allowing people to reserve their homes with a refundable $100 deposit, there is certainly no deadline. Besides Anarchapulco and our Facebook group we have not really advertised this option. We knew people at Anarchapulco would be interested so we wanted to make sure the option was available. We are building a manufacturing facility, we want to make sure that there is actual demand (and how much demand there is). That will factor in how much money we spend on equipment.

Even Tesla asked for a refundable $100 deposit for their truck that they plan on starting to build in 2022.

So...where is this money grab you speak of? $100 from a few people? Is that the whole point of our manufacturing facility, contracts with the marina, purchase of a $150k+ 3D printer, several thousand dollars on scale models, permitting, licensing, paying lawyers for forming a business, getting our homes classified as a houseboat for flagging...

as for you pretending to not money grab such as:


see you pretend to self fund now. get some in the water and then when people go on a tour then they purchase
.. but you are already selling time shares and mentioning deadlines of a few months
but all you have so far is a 1/3rd scale model
and still testing the utilities like the bathroom.. again its been your stumbling block of information withhold for years

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i truly think it might be wort you going bak and re-reading your own words a few times.
because its very funny how on page 1 your first post was about YOUR PLAN and how even as far as page 5 you were talking about not wanting to reveal YOUR PLAN until YOU HAVE YOUR HOME IN THE WATER. yea even badecker done a comedical meme of you words.

you had a picture of the spire.. and then later the big reveal of the thai pod build and you always on scene.. and then when you finally stood on the pod you were gleefully saying 'im freeeee'

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but later went and retracted everything saying its not your project not your home your just guests and how you had no desire for forming micronations, governments..
(again page 1&2 has you talking about it. infact every page of this topic had you talking about the governance of seasteading)
up until the big reveal and eventual seisure

.. but anyway point being.
your still just testing the toilets. yet you are offering timeshares already.. come on does not sound anything like
'we are not looking for investors'

do you atleast see where your 'governance' ICO TIMESHARE
vs
just a guest of someone elses project. no governance plans. no investment plans
differ

Source?

the point yet again is before you even made the prototype your already money grabbing
and you just admitted it

you have not even figured out what bathroom functions it will have but already wanting to grab money..
again i said it many times over many posts about this project and many times with your other projects

you lack the understanding of the details needed of a prototype or even a costbase of such construction.. yet very quick to put a pricetag on a project

as a 'chief operations officer' (YOUR CLAIM NOT MINE) you should know more about the operations part and it should be a CFO that is talking about the money side. you have failed answering a question many COO's should know

Yep. 3 different projects run by many different people. All one long combined project. I am the only person in the world interested in seasteading so obviously I am running it all. I'll be sure to tell the other projects in St. Lucia and San Francisco that they need to start answering to me because those are my projects too.

Here in Panama we are currently in the testing phase. We order samples of what we want to put into the home and try it out to see if it makes sense for the home. To make a final statement of how the bathroom is going to be set up without testing is premature. Even on the first seastead after I talked about composting toilets, urine diverting toilets, etc. the engineer (the guy funding it all, who makes the decisions) told the manufacturer to just let it go into the water since we were 13nm out.

We can give estimates of prices at this point because we have already built the prototype and know the costs of that one. We can safely say that we can build a base model for $195,000. This is based on what we are currently paying for labor, what we paid for the 1/3 scale models, what we are paying for material, etc. We know that we have wiggle room of going from the most basic home with tanks to take care of water and waste and a generator for electricity to the more advanced features of solar, batteries, water maker, incinerating toilet, etc. The price stays the same but how much we can offer for that price can be changed. It will still be a floating home on the water. We can add optional add-ons as needed.

We are not looking for investors. We are funding it all ourselves. No need for shark tank. Our engineer would not accept investors anyway. We have had to turn people away who want to invest in the business. We are building so we're not really worried about marketing. We have enough work for the next year. We assume that after people see these in the water and can walk on them they will want to buy one or a share of one.

Even the first seastead I never talked about it until it was in the water. But at this point a lot of people want to be kept up to date on what we're doing so I let people know. We are not worried about publicity.

Are we giving these homes away? No. I'm not sure what world you live in where asking people to pay for something is some sort of scam. These will not be charity homes. People will need to pay for them. We started asking for a refundable $100 deposit because we had several hundred people telling us that they wanted to buy one but unless they actually have to put a small amount of money behind that we cannot gauge the interest.

Having a price we can build to that price, it gives us constraints on the level of technology we put into it. It lets everyone in the design line know that we're not building $1 million homes so leave that experimental 30% efficiency solar paint that is being designed in the lab behind and focus on the 50 cents per watt solar cells from Alibaba. Leave the untested water-from-air prototype for someone else as we buy a $5,000 desalinator on Amazon. We had an estimate of $70k for that big window shown in the pictures so we are coming up with better solutions.

You say I'm all about the money but this tends to be the number one question we get. How much will it cost?

This is something no other seasteading project ever likes to answer. I'm going to be up front about it. Putting a price allows us to get past all of the dreamers of "I'm going to quit my job and go live on a seastead!" to let them know that they'll actually have to pay for their home. It allows for people who actually want to come down here to begin planning. Because this project is actually building something.

$10,000 for a one week per year share gives an upper bound of $500k for a fully upgraded home with all the bells and whistles. We will likely leave the share management to third party companies but we are already getting people reserving those, so obviously people want it. A group could get together and buy a basic home for $195k and have 2.5 weeks each year. One of our buyers plans on buying one and tokenizing ownership (he's actually coming down to the build site this weekend to check things out). Our focus is on building these and selling them. What people do with them after that we're happy to assist but can't guess at this point all of the different things that will be done after purchase.

it was your words that wanted to do a project which involved your own crypto currency as funding. it was you theat then was promoting trying to buy a boat then you said your team were now talking to some governers of an area. then you were the one saying your doing something in thailand. then you said your doing something in panama

it was you that has been promoting it as a single long combined project of yours where you wanted seasteads.
yep you made a crypto specifically for it.

.. but yes the reality sets in that when i ask about the sewerage and wastage utility and your response is 'it dont matter untill a prototype is made' just reveals how lax you are about planning and researching

put t this way. you cant put a price on a custom built house until its built to know what the actual costs are
you cant plan building unless you know the materials and utilities involved to get permits ad acceptance from certain governors of tropical islands/nations

but you have always been very fast to mention prices. and to make promises that if they hand over say $10k they will get a week vacation.. way way way way way before even having a prototype. let alone knowing if it is functional.

this is why even after a decade of your so called experience you still lack some of the fundamentals. which makes alot of people weary to invest in projects you get involved in.

so again. maybe best you take a step back and let someone else with more resources and knowledge and desire to live on a seastead head up the promotions. because you seem to be just all about the money

mega hint: usually when people ask questions its because they might be interested in investing (think shark tank/dragons den) if you just shout 'shut up you troll im not gonna answer your questions' make it appear more like you dont know the answers or your hiding things.

i am not trying to sell anything so i have no fear in speaking out about whats on my mind. but if you had any business sense and an actual desire for a seastead project and not just a excuse to grab money. you would have been acting alot differently years ago

You write like an attorney.     

Time number 500 where Franky takes my words from another project and applies it to another project. Your quote was from when I was talking about the Marinea project. You also try to act like I am the only one on all of these projects making all of the decisions. I wish I had been in charge of these projects, things would have turned out a lot differently. Even here in Panama I am the Chief Operations Officer of Ocean Builders. There is a CEO and above him is the guy with the money that actually runs the company (who has been running it all along) https://ocean.builders/about .

As for how the water, waste, toilets, etc. work. I can always postulate on the final solution (compost, anaerobic digester, incineration, black water disposal, urine diverting toilet, etc.) but it's not until it's actually implemented that it matters. As for water, that's a simple solution that we used in Thailand and many ships have used for decades (desalinator). Of course, the decision was never mine to make so I could only pose possible solutions. The final solution for waste was to let it go into the ocean and feed the fish below. Garbage was easy enough...just take it back into town whenever we were heading in (just like boats do). The key being to try not to bring a lot of garbage out in the first place (get rid of plastic before coming out, leave the packaging on the boat, etc.). We never planned on being fully self sufficient. People don't get that through their heads and still don't get it. I don't know how many ways someone has to say it but you do not have to be fully self sufficient (especially on the prototype model). I think my analogy gets lost when I say "we're not building our own chips for computers on the seastead", but unfortunately I even had someone saying that we should be doing that and make sure we deal with the heavy metals or whichever that we'd be using. Seriously. No nation in the world is even fully self sufficient so why would it be expected that a single home can provide every solution to everything? How many rice patties does Singapore have? Enough to feed all of their people?

As for Franky thinking I don't answer the question. When my answers are manipulated and twisted, it is better to not answer your questions. I am making a mistake by even posting this because now you will look at something I said back in 2009 about wanting to get Ron Paul elected and talk about how much I love Trump because Ron Paul was a Republican running for president and Trump is a Republican running for president so it is all the same thing.

Even after my full explanation of the past 3 DIFFERENT projects I VOLUNTEERED on you still believe it is all one project and that I was running all of them. I also promote Bitcoin and answer questions about Bitcoin. Am I Satoshi?

oh badecker. you are the fool and your soo fooled you dont even realise your the fool and dont realise your even fooling yourself

person = entity of all kinds including human beings

the reason person is used is if they said 'man' then women would say laws dont apply to them.
if a man was an agent of a company. they would say they are not a man but an agent

so person is a qualifier that INCLUDES all foolish loopholes

yep thats right person is used to actually catch you out for trying to claim your not a man or are a man or not a agent or are a agent. either way it still applies to you

you think its a loophole to exclude you.. but the stupid thing you did not realise is that its a thing to include you even if you tried to change your pronoun to describe what you are

so you can try all you like to pronoun yourself as a man, helicopter, or giraffe.. but all that will happen is the court will laugh at you and continue with the case. because its not a pronoun loophole

just go friggen learn it independantly away from your cult scriptures

You sound like the atheists. They think that they checked everywhere in the universe, so they KNOW that God doesn't exist. In a similar way you think that you checked all the court records in the world, and didn't find the name BADecker in any of them, so you just KNOW that I never went to court... LOL!


But nobody knows that anything you say about Elwar is true. Why not? Because nobody really knows what you mean by what you say because your language is so convoluted. So even if Elwar admitted that what you said was correct, he doesn't really know. He only thinks he understands what you are saying.



If you had listened to Karl, you would realize that Karl hasn't point blank told us all the answers. He told us that he hasn't told us all the answers.

Do you know why he hasn't told us all the answers? It's because of people like you, who can't even get the easy parts down.

Wanna see one of the easy parts that you can't seem to get down? It's the simple fact that whenever the word "person" is used in law, it doesn't mean man or woman. This is shown right in the Constitution and Amendments. But if a man or woman accepts that he/she is the person in question, then governments and others may also accept that he/she is that person.

But since you can't learn this simple thing, if you tried to use Karl's stuff, for you it would be like the woman who backed into the airplane propeller... disaster.

ha ha ha badecker you never went to court. thats obvious
you have failed even the basic of knowledge/experience tests


its like elwar
he said in his projects that he and his team spend year(s) researching design and production and look at things like building materials, location, and even things like how to produce clean water deal with waste.. but when you actually ask him to truly explain how to deal with the utilities such as water and waste. he goes quiet about dealing with waste.

i myself went to some thai islands over the years and they actually ship in clean water from the mainland and ship out the waste
yep i had a culture shock of not only having to shower my ass after using the toilet instead of using toilet paper but also having the hotel remind me not to flush toilet paper down the toilet.  and obviously i had to ask,.. how did they even know.
then it was explained to me how the island works

then later when elwar started talking about his thai 'im free' lifestyle
and it got me questioning, if he actually knew what was involved so i questioned him. and he kept avoiding the answer. all he would ever say was he had a thai girl with him

..
what im basicaly saying is. when i ask a question like 'do you know what really happened behind karl lentz 'lalala' and even months later badecker fails to answer. it not only shows he doesnt know what really happened in court in general, but he doesnt even bother to research karl lentz properly. and so has very very little knowledge/experience and is just a cult follower with blind and yes i mean this blind obedience to follow a group of people without actually thinking independantly

so one more time badecker
the example you have used many times over many topics of you advertising karl lentz examples. explain what happened behind the part where karl lents 'la la la' over a critical part. its a test to see if you really know whats going on

I agree that the things that you say there are applicable... but only if they are applicable. Stepping onto a basketball court simply means you know how to walk, unless there are several things that go along with it. You might be the janitor.

Nobody can force citizenship on you. Living or having been born on the land within the land borders of the USA doesn't mean that you are a citizen of the US. It simply means that there might be a paper record of your birth, which record might be the citizen. And if you want to exercise some of the benefits of that document, you must play the game that goes along with the paper.


This is a forum. So we yack this way and that. But check out Mark Stevens at https://marcstevens.net/, and loads of other sites, as well, to see that the way you are playing your basketball game is not the only way to play it.

The IRS dropped me when I went after them for coming after me. I used Karl Lentz reasoning. I know what I am talking about.



EDIT: Probably the best place to start learning about Karl is https://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos. But if you want a really good understanding for starters, listen to the almost 3 hours here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0GFK_5dQFk.

there you go again
you have amnesia and totally forgot about the stuff in the other topics yet again
you have gone full reversal back to the freeman mantra.

first of all by stepping onto a basketball court means you have shown you want to be involved in the game
by being born as a us citizen or standing on US land/property you are playing by US laws.
wake up

i am a brit. and when not in the US the US laws dont apply. but UK laws do.
however you are american so us laws do apply to you

the voluntary part is for you you volunteering to calculate how much you owe.. its nothing about volunteering if you wish to pay or not.
its about volunteering to hand them information upfront and peaceful or.. wait for them to make the decisions and the consequences of their decisions which are normally less than peaceful

as for you yimmer yammers about standing in court as a man.
you have no clue
again for the respect of other readers that may want to know the truth
an accuser does not have to be the victim. an accuser can be a witness, an associate, a family member or someone concerned and has knowledge of the issue

again to wake you up
if you murder someone
you cannot then when in court demand to see your victim and have them accuse you and explain their accusation. and demand if they cannot speak for themselves than you get away with the murder.
it does not work like that in the real world
other people can accuse you of the crime other than the victim
this means an employee of a company or an agent of a government department can accuse you even if that employee or agent is not personally named 'us gov'

wake up and have a reality check
get away from the freeman cult and actually do some research

But you can only force those who have agreed to play the game with you as the controller. You can't simply go and grab someone off the street and force him to play.


What does your basketball game have to do with my limits of knowledge about the subject of basketball? I haven't contracted with you to play in your basketball game. UCC is freeman stuff... contract law that keeps us free... even from the IRS.



Paying taxes is only mandatory if you owe taxes. The only way IRS taxes are mandatory is if you volunteer to pay them. If you don't volunteer to pay, you don't owe. That's why the IRS calls it voluntary... not because it isn't.

Here is where the basis lies. You might do things or act in ways that are not volunteering in your thinking. But when the IRS sees these things you do, they think that you have volunteered. This is where court comes in, to determine if you have volunteered or not. But if you get an attorney, all you have done is thrown yourself onto the mercy of a couple of attorneys and a judge. Most of the time they will judge against you.

If, however, you stand present in court, unrepresented, and state your status as a man, they must find a man to accuse you of harm or damage that you did to that man. And the man who comes against you must be able to present the damage, evidence and witnesses that you are the one who damaged him. In addition, he has to show you the bill, and the reasons why he has decided the bill is so much and not some other amount.

Otherwise, if you stand as a man, and your accuser is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA on the indictment, the joker who is named THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA better take the oath and get on the stand so you can question him. I mean, you have a copy of the indictment. It says your accuser is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And it is your basic right in court that you get to question your accuser. So, let that joker take the oath, and get on the stand under oath, so you can question him/her.

You never see this in an IRS court case for two reasons:
1. The IRS dismisses, early in the game (maybe before the trial), in the few cases that come before them like this. So there isn't any record that is understandable as to why they dismissed;
2. Extremely few people stand unrepresented in some way. Most have attorneys, or else they represent themselves propria persona or sui juris or some other way. Few ever stand present as a man/woman.

Of course, this might not be the way it is done in Britain (although it is similar at Queen's Bench). But there are all kinds of wins and losses doing it this way in the States. Marc Steven's people might not do it exactly like this, but they have wins all over the place - https://marcstevens.net/. Check them out and learn.

if i set up a basketball game and said. i want 2 volunteers to be captains
if no one steps forward. that does not mean legally there can be no basketball game
instead i then demand who i prefer to be captains.

maybe try to do search beyond freeman stuff
and you will see how much freeman stuff has limited your knowledge

paying taxes is mandatory. but you volunteering up the information first is alot more peaceful than waiting for the mandatory non tax payment punishments to head your way

You contradict voluntary in what you say, and you don't even know it, do you.

    

glad elwar is finally becoming more open and realistic to admit that sea steading isnt as independant and free as he first promoted.
i actually think he deserves a merit for that.

but as for badecker thinking he is a IRS/Law expert.. dang.. badecker.. seriously the 'tax is voluntary' is another freeman cult myth. try to find better sources.

paying tax is not voluntary
its about who decides which tax code/branket you fall into and how much tax you pay.

they do not calculate it and demand you are put into a certain tax code.
its up to you to calculate and to put yourself into a tax code

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if you dont pay. they will then investigate and punish you

think of it as the hunger games
would you prefer someone demand a certain person to do something. or for those to volunteer themselves.
either wa the hunger games will happen but its more peaceful if people just act like a man and own up to what they do and pay what they owe for what they have done.
kind of a shame badecker isnt man enough to take responsibility for his actions nor responsible enough to actually learn what he preaches

people do have to pay tax. or there will be punishments.

Thanks, Elwar. Never thought of that. I could probably get a high-paying job at the IRS, opening their mail for them. CV and anthrax won't affect me. I have the cures.

I might even be able to become a boss for one special reason. I know how to not pay income taxes on my salary. So, they'll be between "the rock and a hard case" (The Rock 1996) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8apS_ALPM-Q. Pay me or lose it all.