Topic: Seasteading - page 8. (Read 26900 times)

Or a string of basements:

a seastead with a basement. now that would be cool.

I know. First things first. But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

That's the key question. No amount of computer models will tell us. The spar is pretty stable on its own. The platform is stable on its own. Hopefully the two combined is stable.

Once it is on the spar, will it remain balanced? Or will you have to keep whatever you have on it balanced to keep the whole spar balanced?

Well, the platform actually acts as a life raft so hopefully it wouldn't look that bad.

Here it is being prepared for putting on the spar.



Unfortunately we had to call off the raising that day since the wind and waves just got worse throughout the day. Still waiting for some perfect waves, should be some time this week.

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Ya, the hope is that early on nobody even pays attention. I wanted to put mine in the water before sharing it with the world because I learned from the Blue Frontiers French Polynesia fiasco that people and the media will paint a scary picture of what seasteading can be. If they see my little house in the water and people try to say it's scary then they'll try to figure out what's so scary about a small floating house in the water.

Sealand is only sovereign in as much as nobody is really interested. Same for Seasteading in its beginning. Things will be different when we have 100 billion on earth, and there are seasteads of various kinds all over the place.

Actually Sealand is the closest thing to a seastead.

In one of his posts, Elwar said that a Seastead was more like an oil rig than a boat. Consider the Principality of Sealand - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand. It's not really Seasteading in the way Elwar wants. But, it is way more substantial and solid than Seasteading.

A floating oil rig that can be moved wherever is a wonderful concept. And the idea will grow. If some U-boat doesn't blow them out of the water while they are budding, there is a lot of potential.

Exactly there is way more sea then land. So huge opportunity.

Actually, Seasteading is the start to something better. How's that? Sea level atmosphere has more oxygen, so you breathe easier.

The goal should be to live under water much of the time. Like in a bubble that is open to the water near the bottom of it. With air pressure keeping the water out. This will force more oxygen into your body and brain, making you to be able to think better, so that you can invent all kinds of neat things.

You would come to the surface only long enough to get the euphoric feeling of less atmosphere. You wouldn't need psychedelic drugs any longer.

a couple scrapes along their hull?

Yeah. I know. A big fuel bill for a minute of battleship pleasure.    

All right! Now you are saying it a bit clearer, and more down to the bottom-line basics.

But what will you get when a couple of Chinese battleships slide into your 12mi territorial waters?

I don't want seastead nations just as I do not want Bitcoin banks.

Collaborate as you see fit or don't collaborate at all.

I'm not saying "let's end nation states" I'm saying, let's create a better alternative.

You are evading the point. The point was the distance that various nations consider to be territorial waters - even though they often call it by another name.

Not all near US coastal waters are plagued by "hurricanes, huge waves and the US Navy." But if they were, so what? Perhaps you are the very first people who want to live on the ocean in exactly this way. And you certainly have my blessing in your project.


My only point is this. If you can do it alone, all by your little Elwar self, great. You don't really need any kind of agreement with anybody if you can do it this way... as long as you don't injure anybody. But if you need other people to work with you, then you need agreement(s) to determine your relationships.

Let's say that you along with a group of people are doing the seasteading thing, because it is too big for any of you do do it alone. Are you going to stay the course if the rest of the group decides on doing something that is completely against your ideas and ideals? Or do you want a way out built into the agreement... one where you don't lose too much of your investment?

Anybody getting in, needs this kind of agreement... a way out. And more than that, since seasteading is designed with the idea of "nation" in mind, what will be the structure of your government? I'm not asking for an answer. I am only stating that such is as important as the seasteading part itself. You need to be thinking this over as hard as you are thinking seastead, so that you are ready to put it in place when the actual seastead comes into practical being.

Not everyone is like the US. Seasteading gets downplayed a lot because it likely cannot happen anywhere near the US. Because of hurricanes, huge waves and the US Navy.

There is a world outside of the US though.

Twelve nm out? LOL.

When did the U.S. or any other country ever obey their treaty agreements except when they felt like it?

Ages ago the 200 miles was something for most of the nations of the world. They still have it, but it's called the "exclusive economic zone (EEZ)" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone. Changing the name doesn't change the fact that it really is territorial waters.