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legendary
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February 18, 2020, 03:10:38 PM
...  they are also talking about building a landstead. What does this all mean for the future?

I noticed that yesterday when checking their website. Why not to offer them. Maybe there will be market for them maybe not. More that they will sell cheaper will be average costs and at the end the price. So land "sea" steads can make seasteads cheaper.
legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
February 18, 2020, 03:08:09 PM
Yep, Franky is absolutely correct.

What we are building in Panama are house boats. We are not claiming any micronations, no sovereignty other than what any other boater gets to enjoy.

I am fully hopeful that other companies get out and start building because we would all rather be living on these things rather than building them ourselves but nobody is doing so.

I grew tired of the megasuperstructure seasteads that required hundreds of millions of dollars in funding. I kept screaming to the Blue Frontiers people to "just build something already!". So when I met the aeronautical engineer, Rudiger Koch, down in Thailand who had already begun building I was all on board and was happy to test drive his prototype by living on it and promoting the concept of building more.

I will be the first to say that no seastead should, right now, be fully sustainable. Nor should any house or state or nation. I don't think Hong Kong or Singapore are any less sovereign for not producing their own rice or microprocessors for their computers. I don't think seasteaders should focus on having cattle ranches on the sea.

We are building floating homes. We are setting up manufacturing, moving full steam ahead on producing as many of these homes as possible while trying to keep the prices down. We are skipping the early stages that we would have done in Thailand of contracting out the manufacturing to another company (that would gouge us on cost because they could). We are setting up a full manufacturing facility in Panama with an assembly line for getting these things out the door, all within a marina where we can lower them into the water to a well protected location in an anchorage close to the marina.

This is certainly not seasteading, I will be the first to say that seasteading requires some sort of sovereignty. We proved we can build homes in the open ocean in Thailand. Now we're working out the manufacturing process while focusing on having a comfortable living experience for our customers.

We are not doing any fundraising, creating beautiful pictures of a city that will never exist only to collect millions of dollars while we talk about what we're going to do using that money to try to get more millions. We're using our own money to build these SeaPods. We won't collect any money until after our first one is built and people can come down and walk around in it and try it out for themselves. Our goal is building these homes with one or two per month, so if anyone puts down their 20% deposit, they should be able to move in within a month. Ocean Builders is currently taking $100 refundable deposits for people to indicate their interest and reserve their place in line.
Previously we just had a check box on our website for people to indicate their willingness to buy (so we could gauge interest on whether to move forward with building a manufacturing site), while we had over 200 people indicate that they wanted to buy one, we decided to put in the refundable deposit option (following Tesla's example as they did with the Cybertruck) so that we could get a better indication of how serious people are about buying.

Once we have a community living on the water, we will be working with them on future plans. We already have a 1/3rd scale prototype for the open ocean. We are following flagging laws in Panama before putting that prototype in the open sea. We already tested a 1/3 scale prototype for the shallow water version. It's sitting in the marina right now.


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Note that in the https://ocean.builders/ocean-builders-manufacturing-facility-gets-the-first-pour/ website, they are also talking about building a landstead. What does this all mean for the future?
We will be building LandPods.
As we began working on these, Ocean Builders' CEO ran into a wealthy land owner in Panama that had plans to build an eco-resort at his coffee plantation. He had plans for some tree houses but after seeing our design said he wanted our homes instead. So we are working with him to build about 10 of them for his resort. With the center tube only being 1.6m diameter, it's great for putting them on the ground in a place where a normal home would not do well, saving the trees from being cut down to make room for the home while being high enough to look out over the trees or be among the treetops with the parrots, monkeys and sloths. His order is helping us to kick start the build process knowing we have orders and can move forward. The design is almost exactly the same so as we move forward on those orders we can replicate the effort for our floating homes.


Whatever happened in Thailand, we proved that you can live on a floating home in middle of the ocean. The genie is out of the bottle on that one. The ocean is the next frontier. Not even the most corrupt navy can take away that fact.
legendary
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February 17, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Thanks franky1. I really never knew the details about Elwar. But you had mentioned it before.

You should really look at what they are doing, now. They are setting up a new business to start seasteading. I think their prices are too high, but you have to start somewhere.

Obviously, people have been living on boats for ages. Personally I might like the boat idea better. But if they can make it work, then others can. This is what the world needs... more entrepreneurs.

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legendary
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February 17, 2020, 06:43:56 PM
badecker. have you already forgot the drama...

elwar pretended he was heading up a project and asking for money from loads of people..
he got into trouble and then pretended he was just a guest of someone elses project that had nothing to do with setting up a micronation and that was not his or anyones intent.

did you truly forget all that stuff
come on for someone so obsessed with knowing the bible you must has some kind of recall..

even funier thing even after the elwar drama. the group elwar associated withstill didnt learn the lessons of elwars drama and continued money grabbing and saying to build plots just 20 miles off shore.
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i for years have been telling elwar the flaws of his project.
1. sanitation (waste disposal and environmental impact)
2. resource/food sustainability vs importing
3. power generation. living space

the 'pod' that was involved in elwars drama was not even fit for sustainable living. even elwar admits that he didnt stay on it 24/4

i think you really need to look for a different guy to be the head guy for truly viable seasteading. elwar is not it.
and for the whole micronation citizenship wishes and promises and hopes.. forget it. elwar has absolutely no clue

here is the funny. elwar is just looking for new projects for the money grab and that has been pointed out over many years.
all he wants is free vacations where he gets others to pay for them under the guise that they are funding elwar to project manage a future home for the investor.. but elwar treats it like donations with no refund policy.

as for the latest project. its not a micronation of a city. its a boat facility making boats the size of under 10metres in any direction.(the ocean builders link you provided hinted at this by their 15-30 dimensions of the facility doing 3 builds at a time)

if you actually do research you will see elwar and his lil gang are not making micronation cities. they are making boats
but still have not solved all the self sustainability and environmental risks associated.

oh and if you think this project is new and revolutionary.. you need to use google more
google image search: floating houses
then realise that elwar and his friends are not even making that. they are making adapted boats
legendary
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February 17, 2020, 06:04:27 PM
Elwar said in the video I linked above - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzJtZB538E - something to the effect of how he is going to show Thailand what they missed out on... a business that could have made them money. But, the UN is talking about getting into seasteading, and Thailand can easily copy anything that Elwar does. And this brings us to a point.

We are staring at a race. The race is, free seasteading vs. formal seasteading by nations. People who are talking seasteading are giving ideas to nations. What if Bangladesh started making a formal Bangladesh-seastead, part of their nation, that could float anywhere, at the same time reducing their mainland population. What will happen when all the nations of the world do this formally?

Note that in the https://ocean.builders/ocean-builders-manufacturing-facility-gets-the-first-pour/ website, they are also talking about building a landstead. What does this all mean for the future?

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legendary
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February 17, 2020, 04:52:13 PM
Yup they moved to Panama and project become way more serious now https://ocean.builders/ocean-builders-manufacturing-facility-gets-the-first-pour/    They know where they went wrong in Thailand. And that is what matters.
legendary
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February 13, 2020, 04:20:43 PM
Where did you go Elwar? Hope things are good.

Didn't we hear that he was going to Anarchapulco? That's this month. Did it happen yet?

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EDIT: Anarchapulco is on right now... until the 16th - https://anarchapulco.com/tickets-2020/.
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
February 12, 2020, 01:29:27 AM
Where did you go Elwar? Hope things are good.
legendary
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February 11, 2020, 05:50:45 PM
Seasteading isn't such a crazy idea after all.


The world's first FLOATING CITY could become a reality within a decade under UN-backed...



Blueprints to create the planet's first floating city could be made reality within the next decade as scientists ratchet up efforts to safeguard communities threatened by rising sea levels.

The United Nations is spearheading the revolutionary project, which will see self-sufficient buoyant platforms anchored to the sea bed upon which houses can be built.

Each one would be sturdy enough to home tens of thousands of people while also boasting typical town features such as public squares and markets.

When the plan was unveiled last year it grabbed headlines because of its scale of ambition, but this week senior figures breathed new life into the idea by speculating a 10-year timetable for the first floating city could be achievable.

UN-Habitat's deputy director Victor Kisob said: 'Floating cities sound like a crazy idea but they could lead to all sorts of possibilities if done in the right way,' according to the National.

He added: 'The next step would be to design a prototype with partners from the private sector that could be tried and tested.' 

Ninety per cent of the world's largest cities are vulnerable to submergence as glaciers melt and seas rise on a warming planet.


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legendary
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April 18, 2019, 05:42:49 PM
Perhaps Thailand area waters are the best suited for Elwar's project. Elevations of the oceans can be found here - https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/ - in the event he wants to move. However, there may be reasons that make other suitable elevations to be just as hostile as Thailand.

Two ways to swap 'sovereignty' in the real world (as opposed to the theoretical mind of your average anarchist) would be to defeat a standing claimant in battle and deal with the fallout in terms of global recognition, or to buy it.  Doesn't seem to me that Elwar and his compadres did either.  If they did it was not reported in the news article.

Probably there are cheaper places to buy in.  One suspects the appeal of being a few hundred meters off the shores of Thailand is that opportunities to leave the outpost of danger and boredom for the land of sexual perversion and drugs are vastly greater in that locale than, say, Rongelap atoll.

legendary
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April 18, 2019, 10:48:16 AM
Perhaps Thailand area waters are the best suited for Elwar's project. Elevations of the oceans can be found here - https://maps.ngdc.noaa.gov/viewers/bathymetry/ - in the event he wants to move. However, there may be reasons that make other suitable elevations to be just as hostile as Thailand.

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hero member
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April 18, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

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An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.


Ok so it looks like they the Thai government suddenly see Elwar and his seasteading project a threat? This is just purely an attack on seasteading practice since it's slowly gaining grounds.

I would reckon that he and his girlfriend are hiding, you don't want to be thrown in jail in Thailand. And I really hope that he can survived all of this because we all know that Elwar is one of the early investors on crypto and he build his project from his bitcoin earnings.
legendary
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April 18, 2019, 04:12:59 AM
Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

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An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.


I'm suitably impressed that Elwar actually went as far as to get something which basically floats rather than just floating some pie-in-the-sky idea and pocketing people's money.

I think one ingredient to setting up a 'sovereign' place is to not do it in someone else's 'sovereign' place.  Doing so seems to be asking for trouble.  Easier said than done these days though.  IIRC, the UN has claimed ownership of all ocean surfaces not listed as territorial waters by the various nation states.

Oh well, there is always outer space.  Surely it won't cost more than a couple thousand to set up shop out there.  Hurry though.  The UN will likely be claiming that to if they have not done so already.  Oh wait...Asgardia already got that first (in their minds at least.)  Maybe they are just claiming low earth orbit.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_UeESh60_A

legendary
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April 18, 2019, 02:14:24 AM
Hi Elwar,

Can you confirmed this?

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30367861

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An American bitcoin investor who set up a floating “seasteading” structure off the coast of Phuket has had his visa revoked and he was put on a blacklist after the Thai Navy accused him of violating the country's sovereignty by building a waterborne homestead.


Chad Andrew Elwartowski, an early bitcoin adopter, and his Thai girlfriend, Suprenee Thepdet (also known as Nadia Summergirl), launched their seastead project on February 2 off the southeast coast of Phuket.

Hope you are doing ok mate.
legendary
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April 05, 2019, 09:36:54 PM
^^^ Absolutely! Anything the UN promotes will have a contract between them and the people using their promotion. If you don't cross out adverse points, write in your good points, and maintain a line that states that you have the right to withdraw any time for any reason, taking your property with you (and make sure you term your property correctly), you'd be wise to forget the UN.

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legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
April 05, 2019, 08:53:32 PM

Knowing the people involved in this, I assume that this "UN roundtable discussion" was a few people gathered around a table at the UN building in New York. They may have had one employee of the UN with them. They discussed seasteading. Then marketed it as the UN wanting to build a floating city.

legendary
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April 04, 2019, 12:40:04 PM
If the U.N. gets involved, even though the oceans are very large, they will want to control seasteading. A big U.N. ship visiting each small seastead with the command to sign up or die, might be a threat big enough to dissolve the freedom of most seasteaders.

The threat will be hidden, of course, as will be the causes of the natural disasters that overcome the seasteads that don't join.

DuckDuckGo search on "Jim Stone nuclear tsunami" - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jim+stone+nuclear+tsunami&t=canonical&ia=images - to see that "they" aren't afraid to do whatever they want.


Floating cities once seemed like sci-fi. Now the UN is getting on board



Bjarke Ingels Group and a company called Oceanix presented a wild concept for floating cities at the UN this week, imagining completely self-sufficient communities in the era of sea level rise.

In 2007, entrepreneur Mark Collins Chen became the minister of tourism in his native French Polynesia. One of his first tasks was to assess whether sea level rise was a threat to the group of 118 islands, located in the South Pacific. He quickly learned that one-third of all of the French Polynesian islands would be submerged by either 2035 or 2050–depending on which scientist you spoke to.

To respond to the coming crisis, Chen (who served as minister of tourism for a year) wants to build groups of floating islands that would be able to act as new human settlements not only for French Polynesia, but for the countless other islands that will suffer a similar fate–as well as the many global cities that are located on the coast. An estimated 2.4 billion people–40% of the world's population–live in a coastal region and will likely be impacted by rising sea levels as a result of climate change. In late 2018, Chen started a company called Oceanix that is aimed at building the off-shore urban infrastructure that will help people weather the problems of rising seas–as well as extreme floods and storms.

The question has to do with how large a seasteading "city" can grow and yet remain outside of the gunsights of the U.N.

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legendary
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Viva Ut Vivas
January 29, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
Once it is on the spar, will it remain balanced? Or will you have to keep whatever you have on it balanced to keep the whole spar balanced?

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That's the key question. No amount of computer models will tell us. The spar is pretty stable on its own. The platform is stable on its own. Hopefully the two combined is stable.

I know. First things first. But do you have thoughts of making a spar that is large enough in diameter to be an access tube to a "habitat" on the bottom end of the spar?

Cool

It is already a large 2 meter tube 20 meters deep. The water level should not come up to the 7 meter mark.

All of that 7 meters can be utilized. For storage or...I've really got my sights on a very large smoker...for smoking all of the fish I catch. And buying large amounts of meat and smoking it so it lasts longer. Another suggestions was a micro brew.
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