Topic: Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? - page 18. (Read 2539 times)

That's true, as you said that we can't if we only judge someone in terms of their appearance, because sometimes there are a lot of speculations and assumptions that don't match the facts, or that means they look bad or shabby but actually have a good personality and behavior and on the other hand sometimes the opposite is true, there are those who look good wearing a jaz with a tie but have very bad behavior or nature and often harm others, for that problem it is true. But on the other hand the casino is a place that is often visited by many visitors, although the officers never judge someone in terms of appearance but I think if there are people who have that appearance there is nothing wrong if the officers suspect them, because as we know in general the appearance of slums is always synonymous with crazy people or having mental disorders as we often see on the outskirts of the road.

So it is natural in my opinion if the officers are suspicious because obviously if the suspicion is correct in the sense that they are people who have mental disorders then obviously it will have the possibility or potential to disturb the comfort of other visitors in the casino, but on the other hand in the case said by the OP the person did not have any problems since he came there and always obeyed the rules like normal visitors, that's good and no problem but in my opinion if there are people we have just seen and look like that then it doesn't hurt to be suspicious and put on alert.

Its shallow to determine a gambler's worth or intentions by their clothes. Although behaviour matters more than clothes, the casino's non-discriminatory attire code is admirable. Here, society's distorted reliance on appearances is evident.

Officers are essential to a healthy gambling environment. They must be vigilant for unruly customers regardless of outfit. Conduct matters, not clothes. As someone familiar with gaming dynamics, I think this approach is vital to a courteous, fun gambling environment.

Finally, the idea that shabby-dressed people could be wealthy defies prejudices. Remember that appearances can be deceiving, so never underestimate anybody solely on their appearance. This perspective enhances our awareness of human variation and life's unpredictability.

First things first, you can't judge a book by its cover, so just because someone's physical appearance isn't so good, it doesn't mean that they are mentally unstable or anything unless you have other evidence of them being that way which isn't the case from what I've read in your thread since even the attendant said that he has never misbehaved or said anything that would indicate that he is mentally unstable or unsound. So, that remark doesn't sound logical to me.

That being said, if there is such a rule, it should only be applicable if the person doesn't know what they are doing and it should be evident from their behaviour. You said the guy made his bets in a very coordinated manner which means that he was pretty sound and knew what he was doing. So, I don't think that the betting attendant can refuse their money and say they can't allow them to gamble when they are sound about what they are doing.

I think that mental health challenges has different levels, because I've heard some mentally challenged people talk sensibly and keep out of trouble , and I've always wondered that if a person like this can talk sense and behave well then why is he looking so dirty and unkempt. So the way I see it if a mentally unstable person enters a bet shop and behaves himself, places his bet and leaves, then that shouldn't be a problem, it shows that he still has his behavioral sanity in place. Personally I wouldn't encourage such a person to gamble, but bet shops wouldn't care about conditions so far the customer has money to pay.

Family and friends of such mentally unstable people like the one in discussion should make sure that they get psychiatrist help before they might reach an uncontrollable level of insanity. Depression, drug abuse, medical conditions can make a person to lose parts of their sanity, so I believe that it's help that people like that needs.

If you see a person who is not well-dressed and looks good, do you need to be judged him quickly as mentally unstable? We have no right to judge a person based on physical appearance. As you heard from the attendant, He's a regular customer and he never shown any behavior as unpleasantly as you think. I think there's nothing wrong for him to go and play in a bet shop, most especially that he never did anything wrong from the start.

Yes, everyone has the right to gamble even if he is mentally unstable or homeless, after all we do not have the right to prohibit it, let alone regulate it, although we can give him advice, but still, if he is used to doing it as a habit, it will certainly be difficult to stop. Look at how the officer didn't stop him, that doesn't mean the officer never gave him advice, but it seems he still gambled at the gambling house.

If he is used to it and is good at managing his finances well because he often visits gambling houses, it is certain that he is an addicted gambler so it is difficult to stop him. Moreover, we cannot limit him as long as he doesn't really create chaos in the gambling house. There is nothing wrong with that, in fact we are the ones who it was wrong to stop him and he had the right to choose whether to gamble or not.

I don't even imagine what gross mistakes in money management a player can make while under drugs. I have heard many times about players who drank alcohol and as a result lost all their money, after which they borrowed the maximum amount that friends and acquaintances could give him, after which he lost all this. I understand that this is a great emotional release for someone, but such fun is so expensive that you can even lose your apartment. So if you play at the casino, then only with a clear mind.

Yes definitely, at least morally and ethically the casinos has a duty to protect their customers. There is a big difference between someone willingly gambling with all his savings and someone having a psychotic episode and acts irresponsible. There is so much supervision at the casino to protect them from theft and cheating, that they should realise quickly if a customer has a medical or psychological condition. There are a lot of studies taken into considerion of human behavior to try and detect things like card counting quickly. Which is why casinos have ways to detect customers acting strange. It's also a security risk for other customers as psychotic episode could turn violent quickly if there are more trigger events.

I'll tell you this, "physically observing" is not enough. Someone can appear mental to some people while being a leader of a nation at the same time. Not allowing to such person access to a casino may cause international conflict, you know.

But if seriously I don't know if it's actually legal to bar from entrance people with dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard?

How will CASINO employee be able to determine if a person is mentally challenged? They lack the qualifications to make such a determination, and should concentrate on doing the job that they were employed to do.. checking ID's and also making sure banned and self-excluded people do not enter the establishment.

I think I will be doing an experiment soon.... giving a homeless person $100 and sending him into a casino.. to see if they discriminate against certain people.  

To answer this question you first need to define what mental is. Why is mental illness or mental instability. Did you know that there are many people who are mentally unstable. These people are our colleagues at work, friends at school, neighbors, and even some folks on this forum are exhibiting it. You already know.
You do not need to be violent to be categorize as a mentally ill person. In extreme cases, it is only a schizophrenic person that violent and this is when they are not in any medication to suppress the violent personality.
As long as the mentally ill person is not being disruptive, is conducting themselves appropriately and decently, there is no need to bar them from gambling if that is the little thing that gives them joy.

Most mentally unstable people can't do gambling, they have lost part of their senses, how can they place bet on any game? Even if they can what will they use the money to do? Because mentally unstable people that I have seen struggles to even have a good conversation with stable people, there are different levels of mentally unstable, and the best ones out of all are those that can't control their emotions, but that part of losing focus on their surroundings and thinking about something that's not there is very common in them, they can't survive any gambling, it will only add more problem to their lives.

Mind you, not all those who are mentally ill dresses in rags, some actually still have that well being desire in them, they will come in good clothing and you will only know that they are mentally unstable with their behaviour in the public, if someone like them visits the casino for the first time I am sure they won't be allowed into the casino the next time, they are trouble makers and they don't even know it, due to their condition.

Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? No, I don't think so because gambling involves money and people should be mentally stable in my opinion especially in emotions because when you cannot control your emotions you will hit by an endless storm of the gambling world.

But of course, there are people who agree that people with mentally unstable should do gamble but those are just my opinion

Yes, that means the casino can accept someone in shabby clothes to come and gamble in the casino. Based on what has been said, the guy didn't make a scene in his casino, so the officers didn't mind if he gambled. Moreover, after gambling, he will leave the casino straight away without making a fuss about other people who are also in the casino and gambling. Unless the person often disturbs other players and makes a fuss, perhaps the officers will no longer allow him to gamble at the casino. Not all people who dress shabbily indeed have mental disorders because there could be people who dress shabbily. But he turns out to be a millionaire who gambles and doesn't want anyone to recognize him in gambling so he decides to dress shabbily. The important thing is that everything will be fine if the person doesn't disturb other players.

The officers at the casino must have recognized the people who were their regular customers because that was their job. And I think there are even people who dress neatly but often disturb people who are gambling and the officers have to be firm with them and will not allow them to return to gambling at the casino. Anyone can come to the casino as long as they are old enough to gamble and not disturb other people. The officers who work at the casino look after this because they also want to avoid any problems while they work there.

if they are not causing any disturbances to the betting station or anyone, there's no reason to bar them, it's their money they have the right to bet, if nothing in the betting station that says specific people are forbidden from entering, then they should be allowed, and they have to give good reasons why they are barring these people, if they do not allow them.
Gamblers have different characteristics as long as they do not cause harm or inflict damage, we should not look down on them and let them bet.

Before I answer your question, you never established the fact that this man is unwell, and neither did the salesperson tell you such, unless you omit that part from what you narrated here. And for someone to dress dirty doesn't mean the person is not well mentally, it might just be that the person at times doesn't care due to the nature of his job, or may just be rough. The fact that he is always well-behaved and has never for once misbehaved shows that he knows what he is doing, so we can't use his appearance to judge anyone.

For the question, it is right, moral and very ethical to bar a person who is not stable mentally from gambling, unless you are a bad person and don't have a conscience. First, the person doesn't know what he is doing, secondly, you never know the source of the money, and third, you are not helping such a person in such a bad state to gamble. To me, it is just like a rip-off. What will the madman do with the money if he wins? And what if he wins big, where will they load the money? I believe it is not just wise since that kind of a person is not with his senses, and at that stage, the only thing that people should allow him to use money for are water and drinks. Others will only amount to wickedness.

A person is prohibited from entering a gambling place for several reasons, such as mental disorders, often causing trouble or getting unreasonably angry when they lose or other reasons that result in discomfort for other visitors. Gambling places are open to the public, anyone can come there as long as they don't disturb other people's comfort.
Cases like the man you observed can still be tolerated, even though he is dressed shabbily and looks unkempt, his behavior is very polite when he is in a gambling place. The reason this person got permission to enter when he first came there was probably that the people around the gambling place were already close to his character.

Judging someone just by their appearance doesn't seem to be the right way because they could have left home and become homeless or they might be someone who lives on the streets so they look like someone who is in mental or emotional trouble.
People who experience mental or psychological disorders will of course never be able to think about making money and gambling and the person you meet still has way to make money and he can still think about making predictions about what to bet on.
After all, he still has good attitude and never does anything bad.
From here, can he be called person with mental or mental disorders?

If we are talking about whether someone who has mental disorder can gamble then the answer depends on the person himself whether he actually likes gambling or not and also what role his family plays.
People with mental problems usually have more difficulty controlling themselves and of course this will be very influential in gambling, they must be able to cure the mental problems they experience before actually carrying out any gambling activities.
Moreover, there will not be any prohibitions related to this problem, the only prohibitions may be those made by the casino owners themselves, not from the law or anything like that.

From the OP's story, the person only wanted to gamble and didn't want to cause any trouble, so the officers felt safe as long as the person was gambling with their own money. Moreover, there are no rules whatsoever that prohibit someone in shabby clothes from coming to an offline casino, it's just that it might make you uncomfortable other people see it. In my opinion, not everyone who dresses shabbily is someone who has a mental disorder and it could be that this person is a gambler who is addicted so he doesn't have time to take care of his clothes and take care of his cleanliness, he is just trying to get money to continue gambling, hoping that one day he will get lucky the big one.

If someone is clearly seen having a mental disorder and is causing trouble, officers will definitely take action and try to evict the person, because it is impossible for workers at the casino to just watch a person with a mental disorder enter the casino, which will make the customers uncomfortable. So in conclusion, as long as the gambler still has enough money just to gamble, I don't think it's a big problem, after all it will increase the profits of the casino itself.

The problem is it's difficult to decide if a person is mentally unstable or not and even if he/she has a medical record, it's difficult and not a good idea to tag and prevent them on something simple as opening a bank account or using internet, which are enough to start gambling.
The people that are financially responsible for such people can limit their use by budgeting and asking for bills but if the person is financially independent and has no legal obligation, we can't just restrict them for using their money anyway they want.