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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Well, if that person does not behave violently or some sort of being our of control making scene, I don't think there would be a problem with that. Also, as long as the family allows him to do so, like if there are no complaints coming from the family then I guess there's nothing unethical or the casino has legal obligations for such person.
I've seen a few people who looks like they are mentally ill because of how they behave and how they look, but to be fair with them, they have not caused any trouble not even once. They just gamble win or lose then they walk away quietly. I think they really don't have troubles mentally, they just behave and think differently.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Am not sure there's any legal law that forbids them from having the same benefits of gambling, but the moment a physically or mentally challenged person decided on making gambling, then i think he's stable already mentally because there's no how a mentally pierced person can identify the needs to gamble and do so for the first time when he's unstable mentally, except for the physically challenged ones, we can also consider this not being exempted on the online casino gambling, a mental instable person cannot gamble online even though everyone has the liberty and access of using them, you can't gamble without having money as well.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 05:17:44 AM

Quote from: davis196 on December 25, 2023, 02:48:46 AM

The casino employees aren't licensed psychic doctors, so they can't decide who is mentally sick and who is OK. I'm sure that if a guy starts acting weird, they will kick him out of the casino.

I assume that some physical signs can show that someone is not mentally stable. And I pointed to the fact that can such a person be barred from gambling based on some of these clear physical signs and not a psychiatric check.

Quote from: Lida93 on December 25, 2023, 03:26:32 AM

Mentally deranged or unstable persons are well known for their violent behaviors of causing harm to others, they don't work for money neither have a sense to gamble for money but this man from the op does the opposite which makes me count him as not mentally unstable but as someone suffering from a depressive condition from life's challenges that had overwhelmed him making him to care less of himself

I don't think it is all mentally unstable people that are violent. I also feel that the ability to work and gamble is not a yardstick to conclude that somebody is sound. Many emotionally unbalanced people still work and are not violent.

Not all mentally unstable people are violent, some are so gentle and they have no sense of their environment, they are trapped in an illusion, and no matter what you say to them they will never get violent, but where I am confused is how such people will need money.

I doubt they will feel the need to take risks, there is one I know here, who knows the importance of money, but he prefers to ask people for money, the sense of hustling is no more in his mind, and even no one will want to hire such people.

I think the chances of mentality unstable people going into gambling is very limited, I have never seen such people in a online casinos, if they have families they are always with them for montiroing, such people can't be left alone most times as they can do something stupid.

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Quote from: Pandu Geddon on December 25, 2023, 05:40:27 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

This has become a habit that the gambler you are talking about probably did before he experienced problems with himself. Gambling addiction may be an unresolved problem for him that makes him always gamble when he has money. and that's what he remembers when in the past he was a heavy gambler.
There is nothing wrong as long as the offline casino provider does not feel disturbed by its existence, which some people may consider unfit to go to the casino. but if he continues to gamble with his money and not the proceeds of crime. it will not cause problems for him and the casino providers.

That has been my idea. If he is not disturbing and goes in then comes out in peace then everything is fine. He probably have been gambling there or somewhere that he kept doing it because he understands what he is doing by himself with experience. There are people like that in the neighbourhood who are drug addicts and also gamblers who have been knocked off in their brain sort off and they don't communicate coherently yet they bet because they are already used to it and they are also keeping their friends few times even though those friends now stay at length.

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The question you have to asked yourself is are you sure if that person is not motor mechanic?
Well sincerely speaking there has been lots of confusion within my area for a motor mechanic dressing like a mad man or someone who is mentally unstable. Yes I have one mistaken a motor mechanic to a mad man in the local betting shop, how? just as you explained he puts on dirty clothes looks so unkept and with his oily face stained with grease and so other but he calmly walking inside and places his bet even as that he was holding something on his hand eating very wrongly after he places his bet, so what i did was to monitor him till he walked away, and guess what?
When i followed him outside he opens his car a drove away..
So in my opinion you might classify a motor mechanic as a mad man or a mentally disorganized individuals.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

This has become a habit that the gambler you are talking about probably did before he experienced problems with himself. Gambling addiction may be an unresolved problem for him that makes him always gamble when he has money. and that's what he remembers when in the past he was a heavy gambler.
There is nothing wrong as long as the offline casino provider does not feel disturbed by its existence, which some people may consider unfit to go to the casino. but if he continues to gamble with his money and not the proceeds of crime. it will not cause problems for him and the casino providers.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

That's discrimination the attendant already said that he never misbehaved or caused any trouble so he has the privilege to play unless that physical casino has a rule barring people with unusual behavior from staying on their premises but then again they have to check the background and examine the person because looks can be deceiving.
When it comes online, there's nothing in their terms that will tell gamblers to submit their mental or health condition, it's up to gamblers to examine themselves if they are fit to play online, when it comes to gambling it's always been played at your own risk.
Yes, gambling is a great source of entertainment but it can also become a source of mental anguish, so examine yourself if you can take all the risk in gambling.

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Quote from: davis196 on December 25, 2023, 02:48:46 AM

The casino employees aren't licensed psychic doctors, so they can't decide who is mentally sick and who is OK. I'm sure that if a guy starts acting weird, they will kick him out of the casino.

I assume that some physical signs can show that someone is not mentally stable. And I pointed to the fact that can such a person be barred from gambling based on some of these clear physical signs and not a psychiatric check.

Quote from: Lida93 on December 25, 2023, 03:26:32 AM

Mentally deranged or unstable persons are well known for their violent behaviors of causing harm to others, they don't work for money neither have a sense to gamble for money but this man from the op does the opposite which makes me count him as not mentally unstable but as someone suffering from a depressive condition from life's challenges that had overwhelmed him making him to care less of himself

I don't think it is all mentally unstable people that are violent. I also feel that the ability to work and gamble is not a yardstick to conclude that somebody is sound. Many emotionally unbalanced people still work and are not violent.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

I was surprised when I read the post title. There's nothing wrong if someone who is mentally unstable wants to gamble. Gambling is open to everyone, even those facing mental health challenges. As long as they can place bets and participate in the games, they should be able to enjoy gambling like anyone else. It would be unfair to deny them this right just because of their mental health. I appreciate that the attendant in your post was kind to all customers, regardless of their situation. Sadly, in my local area, I've witnessed people treating mentally unstable individuals poorly, refusing to sell to them even if they have money. They seem repulsed when these individuals come near them. I don't understand why mentally unstable people shouldn't be allowed to gamble.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

- I think that even if the condition of a gambler is the same, we should not judge only based on the physical condition. And from what I saw based on your story, you judged that. Because when you first asked, you were told that the one you say is unstable is a regular customer.

How did you say unstable? Is it because of his bad condition physically? In the first place, no one is physically harmed every time they go there, right? So I think you should check yourself first before thinking bad things about other people. This is just what I thought, because what I saw in you is that I think you are also wrong in my opinion.

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Why do I care in the first place? he has the money and the knowledge about what he was doing so who are we to ask or question his intention or what his right or and the other costumers ?
for me as long as he did not steal for money there is nothing to be care for , because gambling is a business like restaurant that they will serve whatever costumer they have as long as they can pay(of course depending in what kind of restaurant because others has a dress code or attire) so why not the gambling houses need to implement something?

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This is a very funny topic, gambling on it's own can make someone to become mentally ill or unstable, and you are asking if someone who is mentally unstable can be allowed to gamble? Thanks for making me laugh on Christmas day, I really needed that, the answer is no, it's a very bad idea because I believe it will just worsen the case of such person.

My question for you OP is how you know he is mentally unsound, there are many reasons why someones look will be like that of their with mental issues, and describing that he wore a dirty dress and also his hairs sounds like someone who is very poor or have mental illness but still it doesn't mean he is.

Not even the attendant knows this, so to me he is not an example of a mentally ill person, he is free to gamble anytime he want, someone with mental issue will only have to visit once and he will be banned from the casino because it doesn't take too long to know that someone has mental issues.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

Op I presume that man is rather not mentally unstable in the real sense of the word but could be he's gone through a lot which has made him a depressed thereby living a certain kind of life out of the normal.

Mentally deranged or unstable persons are well known for their violent behaviors of causing harm to others, they don't work for money neither have a sense to gamble for money but this man from the op does the opposite which makes me count him as not mentally unstable but as someone suffering from a depressive condition from life's challenges that had overwhelmed him making him to care less of himself

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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Well, it's not just about the moral, ethical or legal application to the matter but it's whether or not people will be comfortable and relaxed to gamble together with mentally deranged person(s) as they would with sane persons like them.

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I think the logical answer to that is "No.". I mean what if their disease gets worse just because of gambling more? In most cases physical casinos would try to avoid that happening so if ever they see someone who is acting like they have a behavioral problem, they will take them out of the building.

In your example though, the man never did anything wrong, and how are we going to prove that he is mentally unstable if he had done nothing yet? I've never seen a man go wild in a physical casino because of a mental problem but I've seen clips on social media and I think the most popular one was the man who got naked and climbed one table dancing on it. It is proof that we cannot judge anyone just based on their looks, what if they are really normal and dislike posing as a rich man wearing good clothes before they gambler?
There are other people who dress clean and yet on the inside they have more problems than those people living in the streets.

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Well, it depends on the 2 perspectives that will determine if an unstable person could be doing gambling or not. One side is yes, they should not be allowed to play gambling as the word implies "unstable," meaning they are not in the right mind and right state to play gambling as they can't think straight, they could waste too much money, they cannot be controlled by anyone, and they could cause a ruckus in a casino or something, but this perspective is from someone in society.

But from the perspective of a casino owner, of course, business is business no matter what the state of a person or who he is. As long as he has money to play in a casino and could bring continuous profit for the owner, then it is also good no matter what. But in general, we know that we all have different perspectives or opinions on this, so no matter what answer we give, anyone could gamble, as each person has their own will and own rights.

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If someone who is mentally unstable still comes to gambling to deposit money with the bookie why not, isn't that also a benefit for the casino to increase their income, it doesn't matter about mentally unstable people or people who are seriously addicted as long as they still have money and bringing money to the casino, all of which I think upholds freedom and there are no restrictions on that as long as they play quietly and don't disturb other players.

I just caught the behavior of a person like that, it seems that the man is addicted to gambling so that even though he is mentally unstable, he still makes money and spends his money on gambling, that's why I'm not sure the officers at physical casinos forbid that anyone seems to be free to gamble and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just that our view of the man might be too pitiful whereas they casino owners don't care about that. Grin

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I have read the TOS of many gambling companies and I did not see this as part of it. I know about the age limitations as well as the warning for responsible gambling... these are the general rules and none of them actually cover the mental health of the gambler.

Besides, it will be difficult to deny someone who walks into a casino, violated no rule and is willing to play and get paid if need be. Anyone under this state of health should not be limited access to the casino and it will be totally unfair to judge base on dressing.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

He’s also a customer just like you, he derives the same fun and joy as you when he’s gambling, he’ll be paid the same way you will if he should win his bet, he also has the money to bet and also it will be difficult for a business to chase off their customers just because others are more dressed than him.

I actually do not see any reason why he should be stopped, if he turns out to be one that is violent after kissing a bet then the idea of stopping him could be very good but in a case where he doesn’t have any effect when he losses I don’t think he should be stopped.

Tbvh, we have people that are might be more unstable than that filthy dressed man that are also actively gambling if casino’s should start filtering them that means they would also be banned from gambling.

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Quote from: Accardo on December 25, 2023, 02:40:14 AM

Not everyone who is well-dressed is mentally stable. Some addicts are mentally unstable, without noticing it, despite being well-kept and feeling in control of their actions. The man in your story is not causing any trouble to anybody in the gambling house, he is only not well dressed. Which is not anybody's business, provided that the gambling attendant is comfortable with him, no problem.

It is not only about the gambling agent but also about the other people that are gambling there. There is no problem if other people are not complaining about him. Not to be well dressed in public can make some people to know that he is mentally unstable and not like to go to the gambling place because of that but they will complain before not going. I think it is a betting agent place and it will not take more than 2 minutes that the mentally unstable person will spend to place bets and that gives him advantage.

Quote from: Accardo on December 25, 2023, 02:40:14 AM

Secondly, he's not begging for money or aggressively disturbing his parents for gambling funds, like many other gambling addicts who suffer mental disorders do to their loved ones. He's doing his job and maybe may have been conditioned the way he looks due to the kind of work he does.

He has no job. People are using his condition to give him money.

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In my country, the only legal restrictions placed on gambling is with regards to age otherwise almost every one is given the liberty to gamble provided they meet the agre requirements, even on most gambling sites and gambling houses, their restrictions are usually based on age and almost never with appearance.

Sometimes some persons in their appearance may look like they are mentality challenged until you have a conversation with them then you will understand better what their situation or condition is, so I think we shouldn't assume someone is mentally challenged except proven otherwise, physical appearance cannot be a complete judgment for their personalities will turn out to be, some times it could be they have some challenges with their appearance but in a case where it's clear that such person is mentally challenged then I don't think such person should be allowed to gamble because they will most often not be in the right frame of mind to make good decisions.

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