If he doesn't do something foolish, then let him be, ignore him, and respect his privacy. Knowing that you ask the attendant, she readily confirms to you that he doesn't misbehave and that, despite his appearance, she was already at ease having him as a frequent customer.
In a situation of mental instability, it is possible that a person has developed a gambling addiction while under the influence of alcohol or illicit drugs. Moreover, it goes without saying that a bartender may have an ethical duty to step in and stop a mentally unstable customer from partaking in risky activities if they see that person is unstable and likely to be harmed by gambling. We should not determine someone's mental stability based solely on their outward look. We don't have the same perspective, and I'm aware that a lot of people may judge you by the way you look or make judgments. As many have said to me, you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.
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The title of this thread is quite misleading if we will try to avaluate your statement.
People that does look untidy does not necessarily mean they have unstable mind. Perhaps they are just not financially well, they are living a simple life doing some hard labor, but as long as they are thinking straight, they should be treated with respect, as they are human who have contribution to the community.
Now, if your questions is "Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?", the answer should be a big NO.
People that does look untidy does not necessarily mean they have unstable mind. Perhaps they are just not financially well, they are living a simple life doing some hard labor, but as long as they are thinking straight, they should be treated with respect, as they are human who have contribution to the community.
Now, if your questions is "Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?", the answer should be a big NO.
Mate, gambling is for everyone and whoever is OK with the fun should be allowed to entertain himself with it. In life whatever field that you find yourself, you will meet the good, bad and the ugly. The gaming agent has said it all, that as long as he doesn't ferment trouble and he comports himself whenever he comes to book his game she is OK with it. It might be the fun that the person in question is deriving that is still keeping him alive. The bottom line is that you are free to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone. Have you wonder why mental unable people do drugs. Business is business and it is open to all.
I understand internet gambling's complexities and can say that gambling addiction and mental instability are different. They must be distinguished. This dishevelled man behaved well; his attire and appearance dont imply mental instability. Surface looks cant tell us everything.
Restricting autonomy based on mental health is unethical. Legally, banning someone from gambling could be discriminatory without convincing evidence of incompetence. I believe it's more about promoting responsible gambling. The attendant's comfort shows his behaviour isnt disruptive. It seems more ethical to create a secure gambling environment for all than to exclude based on subjective judgements.
We must protect vulnerable people's autonomy while avoiding exploitation. We should promote responsible gambling that supports and educates all participants instead of banning based on appearance. This method is humanitarian, lawful, and ethical.
Restricting autonomy based on mental health is unethical. Legally, banning someone from gambling could be discriminatory without convincing evidence of incompetence. I believe it's more about promoting responsible gambling. The attendant's comfort shows his behaviour isnt disruptive. It seems more ethical to create a secure gambling environment for all than to exclude based on subjective judgements.
We must protect vulnerable people's autonomy while avoiding exploitation. We should promote responsible gambling that supports and educates all participants instead of banning based on appearance. This method is humanitarian, lawful, and ethical.
When a person is mentally disturbed, it is not only thoughts that can change, but his behavior also changes, which makes him an unkempt person.
And people who are addicted to gambling, most of them are only disturbed in their thoughts and behavior, where they may have difficulty concentrating and become very passive and impulsive. Meanwhile, in terms of appearance, they look fine.
And if I were a casino owner, I would forbid people who have mental disorders and are not well looked after from visiting my casino, who even though their behavior is not disturbing, but in appearance of course the person is very disturbing, which might make a little people are disgusted by his presence. And to keep regular customers who visit my casino, I cannot invite just anyone to visit and gamble at my place.
And people who are addicted to gambling, most of them are only disturbed in their thoughts and behavior, where they may have difficulty concentrating and become very passive and impulsive. Meanwhile, in terms of appearance, they look fine.
And if I were a casino owner, I would forbid people who have mental disorders and are not well looked after from visiting my casino, who even though their behavior is not disturbing, but in appearance of course the person is very disturbing, which might make a little people are disgusted by his presence. And to keep regular customers who visit my casino, I cannot invite just anyone to visit and gamble at my place.
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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
There is no such legal law to bar or ban mentally unstable people from gambling, atleast, none of such I know of, though I am not working in the government, and neither do I have any relative of mine working In the government as well.But one thing I do know is that, mentally unstable people should be allowed to enjoy as much freedom as normal human beings, as far as they are not violent but join normal human beings to maintain law and order in the society always.
Over here in nigeria and in my area, I've seen multiple times when a mentally ill person will walk into a physical gambling or betting shop, ask that a bet be placed for him, after the bet is placed, he will pay and then leave the scene.
What I did have to say on my own is that, I do see why they should be barred or banned from participating in gambling activities, as long as they are not causing any harm, or stealing the money which they use for their betting activities.
It's strange why this man often gambles and often goes to gambling houses even though his mental state is not good. Even if I was there, I might not be able to stop him because who knows, he might already be addicted to gambling, so no one can stop him, not even an officer at the gambling house. don't forbid him, after all what right do we have to forbid him from wanting to gamble, isn't he gambling using his own money, not our money, I think if we forbid him it will invade his privacy, it's better to just let him gamble and maybe advise him a little, I think that's better
That's right, he could be addicted to gambling, so someone who is addicted to gambling could have his mental condition affected or unstable, and he could behave unnaturally by carrying out activities that are considered unreasonable, such as what he does. OP said above. Of course, if someone is addicted to gambling, it will be difficult to stop even with good advice, because their common sense is no longer able to think properly that this behavior is wrong and could possibly have fatal consequences for themselves.
Yes, that's right, it's a good idea for us to just keep quiet and let him determine his own path in life, the good and the bad will be for him to bear, because if we continue to stop him then there is a possibility that he won't accept it and will become angry with us and that is very risky for ourselves.
I don't know much about that because it would depend on the policy of the casino to prohibit or allow someone with an unstable mentality to gamble. Maybe as long as he doesn't behave badly or act rudely in his gambling house, his employees will allow him to gamble. It's possible that the person enjoyed the time he was gambling, so he didn't do anything bad while gambling. If he is a regular customer at the casino, that means that person has been coming to the casino for a long time and has never behaved badly or acted rudely towards anyone who gambles at the casino. But it will depend on each casino because if it is a popular casino, the staff may not allow someone in shabby clothes to enter the casino. After all, all the customers are dressed neatly.
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Sadly mental illnesses/unstableness require a medical certificate instead. There are illnesses that can be visible physically, but mentally unstable isn't one or is considered as invisible. If casinos were to require every user of theirs to submit a certificate to prove their mental stability, users would just stop since, well, getting one isn't exactly free in the first place. Now I wouldn't place my bets on mentally unstable people reporting that they're, well, unstable. Even asking their family for help might not help since again, it costs money to get a certificate. Morally I'd say guards should know when to stop a person from gambling, especially if they are well known to have issues but legally speaking I don't think they're allowed? I mean that's not their job scope. Might even get fined since they're cutting off business for casinos.
It depends on the laws of that region, doesn't it?
A mentally unstable person is still a person, so that means he has rights and I don't see any laws that deprived such a person from gambling.
Also, there are different forms of mental disorders. A person may appear clean and presentable but they're mentally unstable and very violent, others can look dirty and not be violent. I don't think the shop doesn't have a right to deny anybody that's above the gambling age from placing a bet, except in cases where the person has a restricting order or something.
A mentally unstable person is still a person, so that means he has rights and I don't see any laws that deprived such a person from gambling.
Also, there are different forms of mental disorders. A person may appear clean and presentable but they're mentally unstable and very violent, others can look dirty and not be violent. I don't think the shop doesn't have a right to deny anybody that's above the gambling age from placing a bet, except in cases where the person has a restricting order or something.
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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Here in my place, I actually haven't heard someone being barred from gambling after physically observed that they were mentally unstable. The first responders to this kind of situation is of course family members if they found out something unusual then maybe they have to right to do so. 
Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Casinos don't decide who is mentally unstable. That diagnosis happens by medical professionals. Even though mentally unstable is not a name of diagnosis, but a wide spectrum of disorders in layman terms.When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
And they can (depending where you live) appoint a guardian of interests, that controls patient's (or is ward or right word for it?) monthly / weekly / daily / allowance that they can use how they please. Even to gambling. Money for rent, food, electricy bills however are the responsibilities of the apponted guardian.
But one could ask if someone who is just intoxicated enough could be responsible for their choices betting everything while drunk. Should they be protected from themselves as well? As i've seen "mentally unstable" people being more responsible with money.
Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
How do you know that a person is mentally unstable? Does he not behave normally in real life?
I don't think anyone who is mentally ill, can become so sophisticated that he goes to the casino and bet/gambles in a gentlemen's way and also wins money from gambling. Even the most sensible persons find it difficult to win from gambling and he being retarted mentally.
Anyways, if a person is unstable, sometimes the casino do not know this fact and they may allow him thinking he is fit. Just as in this case, the way he gambles does not show that he is mentally ill. If such a person misbehaves or does strange things in the casino, then they may disallow his visit to the casinos.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Perhaps his condition would have worsened if he had been prevented from practicing his hobby of gambling. The shop owner told you that he did not do anything wrong in the shop and that he does manual labor to earn money, which he uses to play games. I do not see anything wrong with this, nor any reason to pass a law that prevents him and others like him from gambling, especially since they do not harm anyone, not even themselves.My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Quite the opposite, there are people of sound mind who commit atrocities because of their love of gambling and their addiction to it.
It maybe can cause a discrimination for a person just want to gamble and if the person pointed out to be unstable didn't bother anyone then everything is fine there.
I guess the owner will not disallow them to gamble since they know everything is fine with the person and it can generate them some profit if that person would lose his money if he decide to gamble on his casino. People need to focus on theirselves and they should not judge the person base on his look if this is the problem with those people.
And they should let the man enjoy since who knows that gambling is just his escape route from his stress and they can feel fine every time these people gamble.
Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.
You shouldn't conclude yet that the man is mentally unstable. Just as you said, the physical bet shop attendant said the gambler has never misbehaved before, and the gambler is into manual jobs, so maybe he just left the work place and hasn't gotten home to clean himself yet. After closing from work, he might just decide to gamble before going home to clean himself. So just because you see someone dirty entering a physical bet shop doesn't mean the person is not mentally stable. And you ask the shop attendant, and she says the gambler hasn't behaved abnormally before, so I guess the person might be fine.My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
I don't think mentally unstable people are supposed to be allowed to gamble, it doesn't really make any sense to me. If you are a betting shop attendant and you see anyone who you think or you are sure is mentally unstable trying to gamble, then you should stop the person from gambling and not allow them to place their bet at your shop. It's strange why this man often gambles and often goes to gambling houses even though his mental state is not good. Even if I was there, I might not be able to stop him because who knows, he might already be addicted to gambling, so no one can stop him, not even an officer at the gambling house. don't forbid him, after all what right do we have to forbid him from wanting to gamble, isn't he gambling using his own money, not our money, I think if we forbid him it will invade his privacy, it's better to just let him gamble and maybe advise him a little, I think that's better
Privacy ought to be maintain and we should be very busy and strict in whatever things we do in the system. Gamble is not my thing right from the early previous years, I was in gambling and couldn't connect any solid modes othe than sticking and doing what we call copy gambling, which I never was granted fulltime permission from my top colleagues that knows how the system operates. We learn to mind our business in this modern generation and if we witnessed what we don't like, we better inform the user ontime or better tolerate their actions and fall back to another transmissions. 
Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
With this you remembered to me some really strange persons which were not that mentally unstable but they were working in construction sites and as soon as they finished they come completely in dust and dirty clothes to place their bets in the lotto club.At that time I used to go every weekend in that lotto club and although they were not unstable mentally at all,they were "fighting" with each other in a funny situation where Inter Milan lost and every body were watching the game on TV,the sons told to their father which were a fan of Inter that you will never again watch Inter on TV
.I think everyone should be given the chance to gamble as long as they want it.
Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
Not everyone who wear suits are perfectly alright or rich as they pretend to be so the same should be applied for the exact opposite too, we should not judge someone's mental health ability just because the clothes were dirty, well I understand why you thought like that but this 2020 era has been different and people do uncommon things.When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
This is more complicated than it sounds and it depends on the jurisdiction of the casino, if its a regulated casino then they will more likely not let them bet if the person is not capable of making their decisions straight and its protected under promoting responsible gambling and duty of care but if the person is capable of understanding what is happening and he got money to bet then banning the person will become discrimination and lead to a different issue.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
The problem is, they do not care about morals. They do not care about who is playing. If you have money, you are allowed to play there. If you do not have money, you are likely to be kicked out. There are rules about under age people. But, I am not sure if there are any rules about mentally unstable people. Even if they had the rules, they simply decided not to follow the rules. If someone complaints about it, they may take care of it. Otherwise, they will continue allow people like that to play on their house. The only way to stop them is take legal action. They will be forced to stop allowing him. All the houses want your money. They are already used to seeing how people lose their everything. So, they don't feel the pain anymore. The skin get thicker everytime they see new people losing their everything.
When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.
My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Perhaps his condition would have worsened if he had been prevented from practicing his hobby of gambling. The shop owner told you that he did not do anything wrong in the shop and that he does manual labor to earn money, which he uses to play games. I do not see anything wrong with this, nor any reason to pass a law that prevents him and others like him from gambling, especially since they do not harm anyone, not even themselves.My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?
Quite the opposite, there are people of sound mind who commit atrocities because of their love of gambling and their addiction to it.
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