Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble? - page 19.

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In this scenario the gambling house reserves the right to allow or deny certain users access to their facility, and the fact that this guy has not misbehaved around their premises has won the benefit of the doubt to keep being a patron and place his bets with no issues... besides without any proof of his unsound mental capacity isn't it considered discrimination to some degree and with the right person you can sue these guys and win Roll Eyes

Quote from: BitcoinPanther on December 25, 2023, 04:59:12 PM

People have the right to gamble. As long as they do not cause any trooubles to others, I think they can keep their right to gamble whatever the status of their mind is.

But when it comes to accessing these premises, isn't this a privilege unlike being a right Huh

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That example you gave in the OP does not necessarily is the case of a person who is mentally unstable, in my opinion, we could be talking about a person who is mentally okey but does not completely take care of his apparence or clothes as other do, actually here where I live there are many places where people do mechanical works and other odds works, so it is common for them to be dressed in oil stained and slashed clothes all day, some of them could also step in a gambling/betting place to set their Bets before going and continue to work.

Now, if we were talking about someone who we would 100% sure is suffering from mental illnesses which impaired them in someway, then there would not much the casino operator could do to isolate that person from gambling anyways, as long the person behaves, is an adult and can pay for the bets, there is no legal grounds for them to deny the services to those people. It would take the ill person themselves to express their decision not to be admitted in the establishment again, for them to be excluded.

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People have the right to gamble. As long as they do not cause any trooubles to others, I think they can keep their right to gamble whatever the status of their mind is.

If we limit people who have mental issue to gamble then that will be labeled as discrimination. As long as they are in the right age I believe they can gamble as long as they wanted.

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Quote from: Wapfika on December 25, 2023, 07:01:33 AM

Gambling is for everyone. I believe if that person life is not being affected badly then I don’t find the need to ban them on gambling which probably gave them entertainment despite they have some mental problem.

Not for everyone, there will be an age limit for gambling, so minors should not do it.
Gambling will indeed be entertainment when they treat gambling like a game that will only produce its own satisfaction in playing,
not produce addiction that will spend money very quickly.

Quote from: Wapfika on December 25, 2023, 07:01:33 AM

In your example, the subject is a regular which means he is doing it for a long time without any problem. The situation might be worst if you stop them playing which they regularly do since they are mentally unstable.

More importantly on this topic. If mentally unstable still can enjoy the game then they should be allowed to play or else they will be discriminated.

It is quite difficult when someone is mentally unstable, because there are many reasons about what they will do so that they can cure their mental problems.

Mental problems can also be due to gambling that is always losing and always wanting to do it.
The wisest thing is to adjust what is really needed to overcome the mental problem.
If gambling is an entertainment to be done, then there must be control over it all.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

We should consider the gamblers is mental strong or not,because physical experience from the gambling is not the important one.Many gamblers have been gamblers from the longer will not give the importance to the physical appearance.Because physical appearance need of some dollars to spend on the cloths and the gamblers can use the same money in the gambling to multiple the money.As you said if the gamblers would not act violently after the game loss,it seems like the professional behaviour.For this reason the gambler with worst physical appearance are allowed the gambler to play in the gambling site.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

For me if you we would base it on your story, there is no reason to not to allow that person to gamble since he is working and doesn't disturb other gamblers on the area.
He might be having some personal problem and gambling might be his way to stay sane, but if you are talking about those people who are making some scenes on gambling house then yes they should be ban.
The way he acted base on your story is pretty much normal, it is just the way he looks that makes you think that he is mentally unstable.

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If he doesn't do something foolish, then let him be, ignore him, and respect his privacy. Knowing that you ask the attendant, she readily confirms to you that he doesn't misbehave and that, despite his appearance, she was already at ease having him as a frequent customer.

In a situation of mental instability, it is possible that a person has developed a gambling addiction while under the influence of alcohol or illicit drugs. Moreover, it goes without saying that a bartender may have an ethical duty to step in and stop a mentally unstable customer from partaking in risky activities if they see that person is unstable and likely to be harmed by gambling. We should not determine someone's mental stability based solely on their outward look. We don't have the same perspective, and I'm aware that a lot of people may judge you by the way you look or make judgments. As many have said to me, you shouldn't judge a book by its cover.

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The title of this thread is quite misleading if we will try to avaluate your statement.

People that does look untidy does not necessarily mean they have unstable mind. Perhaps they are just not financially well, they are living a simple life doing some hard labor, but as long as they are thinking straight, they should be treated with respect, as they are human who have contribution to the community.

Now, if your questions is "Should mentally unstable people be allowed to gamble?", the answer should be a big NO.

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Mate, gambling is for everyone and whoever is OK with the fun should be allowed to entertain himself with it. In life whatever field that you find yourself, you will meet the good, bad and the ugly. The gaming agent has said it all, that as long as he doesn't ferment trouble and he comports himself whenever he comes to book his game she is OK with it. It might be the fun that the person in question is deriving that is still keeping him alive. The bottom line is that you are free to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone. Have you wonder why mental unable people do drugs. Business is business and it is open to all.

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I understand internet gambling's complexities and can say that gambling addiction and mental instability are different. They must be distinguished. This dishevelled man behaved well; his attire and appearance dont imply mental instability. Surface looks cant tell us everything.

Restricting autonomy based on mental health is unethical. Legally, banning someone from gambling could be discriminatory without convincing evidence of incompetence. I believe it's more about promoting responsible gambling. The attendant's comfort shows his behaviour isnt disruptive. It seems more ethical to create a secure gambling environment for all than to exclude based on subjective judgements.

We must protect vulnerable people's autonomy while avoiding exploitation. We should promote responsible gambling that supports and educates all participants instead of banning based on appearance. This method is humanitarian, lawful, and ethical.

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When a person is mentally disturbed, it is not only thoughts that can change, but his behavior also changes, which makes him an unkempt person.

And people who are addicted to gambling, most of them are only disturbed in their thoughts and behavior, where they may have difficulty concentrating and become very passive and impulsive. Meanwhile, in terms of appearance, they look fine.

And if I were a casino owner, I would forbid people who have mental disorders and are not well looked after from visiting my casino, who even though their behavior is not disturbing, but in appearance of course the person is very disturbing, which might make a little people are disgusted by his presence. And to keep regular customers who visit my casino, I cannot invite just anyone to visit and gamble at my place.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

There is no such legal law to bar or ban mentally unstable people from gambling, atleast, none of such I know of, though I am not working in the government, and neither do I have any relative of mine working In the government as well.

But one thing I do know is that, mentally unstable people should be allowed to enjoy as much freedom as normal human beings, as far as they are not violent but join normal human beings to maintain law and order in the society always.

Over here in nigeria and in my area, I've seen multiple times when a mentally ill person will walk into a physical gambling or betting shop, ask that a bet be placed for him, after the bet is placed, he will pay and then leave the scene.
What I did have to say on my own is that, I do see why they should be barred or banned from participating in gambling activities, as long as they are not causing any harm, or stealing the money which they use for their betting activities.

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Quote from: bitcampaign on December 25, 2023, 07:56:10 AM

It's strange why this man often gambles and often goes to gambling houses even though his mental state is not good. Even if I was there, I might not be able to stop him because who knows, he might already be addicted to gambling, so no one can stop him, not even an officer at the gambling house. don't forbid him, after all what right do we have to forbid him from wanting to gamble, isn't he gambling using his own money, not our money, I think if we forbid him it will invade his privacy, it's better to just let him gamble and maybe advise him a little, I think that's better

That's right, he could be addicted to gambling, so someone who is addicted to gambling could have his mental condition affected or unstable, and he could behave unnaturally by carrying out activities that are considered unreasonable, such as what he does. OP said above. Of course, if someone is addicted to gambling, it will be difficult to stop even with good advice, because their common sense is no longer able to think properly that this behavior is wrong and could possibly have fatal consequences for themselves.
Yes, that's right, it's a good idea for us to just keep quiet and let him determine his own path in life, the good and the bad will be for him to bear, because if we continue to stop him then there is a possibility that he won't accept it and will become angry with us and that is very risky for ourselves.

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I don't know much about that because it would depend on the policy of the casino to prohibit or allow someone with an unstable mentality to gamble. Maybe as long as he doesn't behave badly or act rudely in his gambling house, his employees will allow him to gamble. It's possible that the person enjoyed the time he was gambling, so he didn't do anything bad while gambling. If he is a regular customer at the casino, that means that person has been coming to the casino for a long time and has never behaved badly or acted rudely towards anyone who gambles at the casino. But it will depend on each casino because if it is a popular casino, the staff may not allow someone in shabby clothes to enter the casino. After all, all the customers are dressed neatly.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

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Sadly mental illnesses/unstableness require a medical certificate instead. There are illnesses that can be visible physically, but mentally unstable isn't one or is considered as invisible. If casinos were to require every user of theirs to submit a certificate to prove their mental stability, users would just stop since, well, getting one isn't exactly free in the first place.

Now I wouldn't place my bets on mentally unstable people reporting that they're, well, unstable. Even asking their family for help might not help since again, it costs money to get a certificate. Morally I'd say guards should know when to stop a person from gambling, especially if they are well known to have issues but legally speaking I don't think they're allowed? I mean that's not their job scope. Might even get fined since they're cutting off business for casinos.

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It depends on the laws of that region, doesn't it?
A mentally unstable person is still a person, so that means he has rights and I don't see any laws that deprived such a person from gambling.

Also, there are different forms of mental disorders. A person may appear clean and presentable but they're mentally unstable and very violent, others can look dirty and not be violent. I don't think the shop doesn't have a right to deny anybody that's above the gambling age from placing a bet, except in cases where the person has a restricting order or something.

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My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Here in my place, I actually haven't heard someone being barred from gambling after physically observed that they were mentally unstable. The first responders to this kind of situation is of course family members if they found out something unusual then maybe they have to right to do so.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Casinos don't decide who is mentally unstable. That diagnosis happens by medical professionals. Even though mentally unstable is not a name of diagnosis, but a wide spectrum of disorders in layman terms.

And they can (depending where you live) appoint a guardian of interests, that controls patient's (or is ward or right word for it?) monthly / weekly / daily / allowance that they can use how they please. Even to gambling. Money for rent, food, electricy bills however are the responsibilities of the apponted guardian.

But one could ask if someone who is just intoxicated enough could be responsible for their choices betting everything while drunk. Should they be protected from themselves as well? As i've seen "mentally unstable" people being more responsible with money.

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Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

Recently I was around a physical bet shop close to my area and I observed a man who was shabbily dressed walking in the gambling house. I got into the place to observe what his intentions were. He walked straight to the gaming attendant, placed his bets in a highly coordinated manner and quietly walked out of the physical gambling house. From the way he was well organized, you will never know that he was mentally unsound apart from his dirty clothes and unkept hair and beard.

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

How do you know that a person is mentally unstable? Does he not behave normally in real life?

I don't think anyone who is mentally ill, can become so sophisticated that he goes to the casino and bet/gambles in a gentlemen's way and also wins money from gambling. Even the most sensible persons find it difficult to win from gambling and he being retarted mentally.

Anyways, if a person is unstable, sometimes the casino do not know this fact and they may allow him thinking he is fit. Just as in this case, the way he gambles does not show that he is mentally ill. If such a person misbehaves or does strange things in the casino, then they may disallow his visit to the casinos.

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Quote from: coupable on December 25, 2023, 07:58:55 AM

Quote from: Fiatless on December 25, 2023, 02:20:50 AM

When I inquired from the attendant, she said he was a regular customer and that he usually raised money for gambling through the manual jobs he does around the area. She also told me that he has never misbehaved and acted violently in the gambling house so she was comfortable with him.

My question now is are there any moral, ethical or legal obligation to bar a person from gambling after physically observing that he is mentally unstable?

Perhaps his condition would have worsened if he had been prevented from practicing his hobby of gambling. The shop owner told you that he did not do anything wrong in the shop and that he does manual labor to earn money, which he uses to play games. I do not see anything wrong with this, nor any reason to pass a law that prevents him and others like him from gambling, especially since they do not harm anyone, not even themselves.
Quite the opposite, there are people of sound mind who commit atrocities because of their love of gambling and their addiction to it.

It maybe can cause a discrimination for a person just want to gamble and if the person pointed out to be unstable didn't bother anyone then everything is fine there.

I guess the owner will not disallow them to gamble since they know everything is fine with the person and it can generate them some profit if that person would lose his money if he decide to gamble on his casino. People need to focus on theirselves and they should not judge the person base on his look if this is the problem with those people.

And they should let the man enjoy since who knows that gambling is just his escape route from his stress and they can feel fine every time these people gamble.

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