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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 05, 2023, 03:40:22 PM

The only one who won with 2 very different cars is Schumacher.

Hamilton won World Champion's title in 2 cars as well.
First time, he won in McLaren 2008 and later he won in Mercedes 5 times (2014, 2015, 2017, 2018 and 2019).

But yes, it's very difficult to win World Champion's title in 2 different cars.
Maybe Verstappen can do it as well but he'll probably stay at RedBull. I don't see him changing teams any time soon.

Great race from Ferrari after all, especially at home.
Hopefully, Ferrari can gain some confidence but I mostly believe it's track related as Ferrari has been doing well on fast tracks, like Azerbaijan earlier.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on September 04, 2023, 08:29:29 AM

For this kind of seasons its where i found a very silly question like who is the best driver of all times? a very stupid question.

Because its a non sense when you have a full dominant car and also the other cars are shit compared to you, i dont really know how good are you really. Im not saying Verstappen its not one of the best, because he show to all in several seasons how good he is, but this World Championship are more from manufacter than driver for me.

Was the same at Senna time.
When he won with Mcleared he had a car like the Redbull of today, very very very dominant.

The only one who won with 2 very different cars is Schumacher.

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For this kind of seasons its where i found a very silly question like who is the best driver of all times? a very stupid question.

Because its a non sense when you have a full dominant car and also the other cars are shit compared to you, i dont really know how good are you really. Im not saying Verstappen its not one of the best, because he show to all in several seasons how good he is, but this World Championship are more from manufacter than driver for me.

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Verstappen is kicking asses this season, he is in best form of his life and I dont remember time when anyone was being so dominant in every race.
Red Bull Formula helped him but Sergio Perez has the same car and he is not winning so much this season.
Singapore Grand Prix will be interesting to watch, Ferrari had great results there in previous seasons.

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I wish I put Sainz instead of Leclerc to third place. Grin

I thought Leclerc would have a better race. He was actually nearly overtaking Sainz in the last moments but Sainz defended him really well. But Vasseur must have watched that rivalry really worriedly. In case of an accident they would have both been out of podium.

Ferrari drivers must have made their fans satisfied with their determination at least. Sainz could have defended Verstappen much better if he had a better car but he still did a good job. He would have stalled Verstappen behind more though if it wasn't for that simple mistake.

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As said yesterday RBR got an easy day today, especially with Max.
You can't just beat them, Ferrari today was the second-best car.

Hard to say who is really the second car at the moment, The performance changes a lot depending on the track, only one constant stays and it is at the top of the chart.

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Last year we had some problems in the first lap with a Ferrari and a Mercedes touching themselves and pushing Russell out of the track in the first double corner of this track.Max should be very careful to not make any mistake as he is starting in a sandwich between the Ferraris.

When asked from Skysports journalist how will you get that 10th win today he joked by coming first but jokes aside he said I am not that concerned about 10 victories in a row,all I want is to get another Championship in my pocket because in the end this is what I fight for,so he is focused on the Championship although he has already won it.Maybe he wanted to remove attention from him and try to win this race.

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Quote from: boltz on September 03, 2023, 07:15:18 AM

For F1 , I think Ferrari will win today as Redbull kinda screwed up yesterday with the fuel on the car so today they will have to run it on low fuel and I'm afraid Max has a chance for DNF today but we will see...still almost 1 hour to go until race start.

What?

Why run it on low fuel? Huh

Don't you think if any issues after qualifying occured, why RedBull couldn't fix it? Sometimes we have huge crashes in qualifying and cars will be fixed in time to participate racing.
Yes, Perez had a fuel leak yesterday before qualifying but it was fixed. Even if still necessary, RedBull could fix any damage after qualifying again.
Shouldn't be an issue at all and RedBull will be able to run their car as usually.
Or did I miss any important information?

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Awful race crash in moto gp with at least 5 riders being involved + ambulance and red flag immediately deployed on the track. Hopefully , all the riders are ok and no real injuries have been made during this crash.

For F1 , I think Ferrari will win today as Redbull kinda screwed up yesterday with the fuel on the car so today they will have to run it on low fuel and I'm afraid Max has a chance for DNF today but we will see...still almost 1 hour to go until race start.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on September 02, 2023, 06:22:22 PM

But one question its real? or only for this time?

I believe it's only because Monza is a very fast track and fast tracks are suiting Ferrari right now. I don't expect Ferrari to compete against RedBull from now on because most likely, McLaren and Mercedes might be ahead on slower tracks again, as usually.

However, today's qualifying gave us a few interesting results and I expect Williams to be very strong here. After rain affected Williams in Zandvoort very badly, I've placed 2 bets on Williams:

Albon (6) is very fast and at 6.00 odds he might even overtake Russell (4) and stay in front of Hamilton ( Cool

and Alonso (10).

Sargeant has had some difficulties but Williams is a very fast car, so getting in front of Bottas, Hulkenberg and Zhou should be possible.

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Yes we all know we have race until the first turn, in which Verstappen overtakes Sainz and pull him and his car in another boring solo until the checked flag.

So like always we are gonna enjoy the fight for the podiums place only. Anyways nice to see the step forward made by Ferrari. But one question its real? or only for this time?

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I was expecting some improvement from Ferrari in Italy as it is home country for them. But I didn't see this coming in qualifying. What an insane effort by Sainz for the pole! It is really not easy to beat Verstappen with this powerful Red Bull in qualifying as well. But finally we have seen someone doing this.

I hope to see one of Ferrari drivers on podium at least but I hope the team don't mess things up. Because they tend to make simple mistakes in every race.

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Quote from: boltz on September 02, 2023, 04:16:47 PM

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The tire management of RBR is better, Verstappen will be an easy race unless some hazard happens.

I can't see how he can lose, remember also under DRS the RBR is the best car and on Monza DRS is huge.

Yep , correct + Ferrari not having a good race pace with current car so I think Verstappen will easily take the W tomorrow as well. However, we might have a great battle for second and 3rd place as Ferrari might snatch a 2-3 podium if somehow their strategists won't ruin the race Grin

In this qualifying I didn't see any other team except Russell exceptional personal performance that can fight with the Ferraris,I am really surprised at Hamilton low pace today and of course the Aston Martin and McLaren were nowhere near fighting for one of the top spots.It will be interesting to see tomorrow the fight with Perez against Ferraris,if he beats them then it means he is not sleeping anymore and want to go from being a mediocre driver to a driver that asks always for more,he should do so as he just secured his place for 2024 at Redbull and what better way to celebrate it.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 02, 2023, 04:10:38 PM

The tire management of RBR is better, Verstappen will be an easy race unless some hazard happens.

I can't see how he can lose, remember also under DRS the RBR is the best car and on Monza DRS is huge.

Yep , correct + Ferrari not having a good race pace with current car so I think Verstappen will easily take the W tomorrow as well. However, we might have a great battle for second and 3rd place as Ferrari might snatch a 2-3 podium if somehow their strategists won't ruin the race Grin

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The tire management of RBR is better, Verstappen will be an easy race unless some hazard happens.

I can't see how he can lose, remember also under DRS the RBR is the best car and on Monza DRS is huge.

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Quote from: swogerino on September 02, 2023, 02:55:47 PM

I know the distance is very small in a single lap like you say at 0.013s but in the race distance I am pretty sure Redbull is a better car and of course a much much better team when it comes to pit stops while for Ferrari I have a lot of doubts that they will not screw up their drivers race tomorrow with wrong strategies.

Most likely you are right here and Verstappen will have many good opportunities to pass Sainz.
Even Perez can still get 2nd place.
On track, RedBull should be better in saving tires and like you've said, strategy in a close race matters.
Even if Verstappen can't pass Sainz on track but follows him closely, RedBull could try to do an undercut and get Verstappen ahead. Considering RedBull's very fast pit stops (and Ferrari's slow pit stops Cheesy

), Verstappen has a good chance to pass Sainz during pit stops, even if Verstappen can't overtake him on track.
Of course, start is also a key issue.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 02, 2023, 01:33:24 PM

I was thinking that Ferrari would take pole position today. However I picked the wrong driver. I picked Leclerc as he was more successful in qualifying sessions in general. However Sainz really maintained his great performance in FP sessions in the qualifying as well. He took pole position by only a gap like 0.013s. Verstappen must be really frustrated.

Ferrari drivers both did a great job in the qualifying actually. But the most important thing is to maintain this look in the race as well. I'm afraid it is really difficult to trust Ferrari crew now but let's see.

I see no reason why Verstappen should be frustrated,just because he lost the pole position does not mean that he will lose the race too.He of course I believe to have the maturity to not screw up in the first corner and if he maintains his calm through the first corner here most probably will get an easy win.

I know the distance is very small in a single lap like you say at 0.013s but in the race distance I am pretty sure Redbull is a better car and of course a much much better team when it comes to pit stops while for Ferrari I have a lot of doubts that they will not screw up their drivers race tomorrow with wrong strategies.

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I was thinking that Ferrari would take pole position today. However I picked the wrong driver. I picked Leclerc as he was more successful in qualifying sessions in general. However Sainz really maintained his great performance in FP sessions in the qualifying as well. He took pole position by only a gap like 0.013s. Verstappen must be really frustrated.

Ferrari drivers both did a great job in the qualifying actually. But the most important thing is to maintain this look in the race as well. I'm afraid it is really difficult to trust Ferrari crew now but let's see.

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Quote from: CLS63 on September 01, 2023, 04:53:40 PM

It looks like there will always be rumours for Perez's seat. For example I have seen news such as Verstappen is leaning towards having Norris as his teammate. It doesn't make sense to me when I look at this situation from Red Bull's point of view. They want to have a dominant champion like Verstappen. They don't want a very competitive second driver who can make difficulties for Verstappen. Norris is exactly the definition of a competitive driver as you know. Grin

Verstappen and Norris are really good friends now. But the team need to think of their main strategies first.

Meanwhile Perez is confirmed for 2024 and the top teams have all confirmed their driver line up which will be the same as this year for them,only average and slow teams have not yet come up with 100% of their line up for next season.

For today well done to Carlos Sainz and well done to all in the pool who have put him in the winner seat of the qualifying,Ferrari looked to have upped their game a bit yet I am not convinced they will continue with this performance during tomorrow race in which I predict an easy win for Redbull.

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Fantastic lap from Sainz and generally an impressive performance from Ferrari. After a long time of bad results is position 1 for Sainz and position 3 for Leclerc very deserved in my opinion.
Ferrari was very fast on one lap and Verstappen couldn't beat it.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on September 01, 2023, 02:51:15 PM

Have they boosted their engine at the maximum in their home race with the risk of breaking it or taking a penalty or the next GPS?

Probably not because Ferrari has performed very well on fast tracks with long straights like Azerbaijan, where Leclerc took pole.
So, I believe it's a genuine achievement from Ferrari but it will be difficult to maintain during race. Ferrari is usually fast on one lap but tire management will be worse compared to RedBull, where Ferrari is estimated to have a hard time to keep RedBull behind.
Of course, a podium position is possible for Ferrari here. Always considering Ferrari won't do a bad strategy call. Cheesy

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