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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 19, 2023, 03:03:57 PM

Rain is expected for the qualify.

Crazy bet on Norris? Anyone? Cheesy

Ohh man, again pole for Russel like the last year?, well i dont remember how good are this boys on rain, and always no matter how good you are, with rain you can go off the track so easy.

But yes its really a good oportunity to see how much pay Norris to make the pole, and if he is above 10, it can be a good one.

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^ Yup. Lol. They're just starting to realize it now. And if Ricciardo does get the second seat at Red Bull, it'll be seen as 'obvious' in hindsight.

Fun bet for the weekend: Ricciardo points finish at 3.40.

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Rain is expected for the qualify.

Crazy bet on Norris? Anyone? Cheesy

Is he fast in the rain? What I remember from him is that season when he was assured a podium and it started to rain and how he stayed out, didn't box and drove on with slick tires on. He was sliding around the track, it was so hilarious. Cheesy

I could be wrong but I think the fastest guys on the wet track are Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 19, 2023, 03:11:19 AM

I wanted to believe in Perez unnecessarily much recently and this caused me to fail my prediction about him in the pool in some races. Perez is still on the decline and his qualifying performance has really been horrible recently. Hence I'm indecisive about trusting him again for the Hungarian Grand Prix as well for now.

When it comes to Ricciardo he won't have a decent car indeed. AlphaTauri car is one of the worsts on the grid now. However getting the best out of that car would be enough for Ricciardo to impress Red Bull for securing a seat for himself in the future. After Red Bull part ways with Perez we will most probably see Ricciardo there.

It is accurate to say that Daniel Ricciardo currently competes for McLaren and not AlphaTauri. For the 2021 and 2022 seasons, Ricciardo is under contract with McLaren as of my knowledge cutoff in September 2021. Future changes to a driver's team are speculative and subject to a variety of conditions, including team decisions and contractual commitments. Which team Ricciardo will eventually join is hard to foresee.

The source: https://www.spotrac.com/formula1/red-bull-racing/daniel-ricciardo-47371/

In fact according to my source Ricciardo doesn't have any bond with McLaren from now on. It is true that his contract with McLaren was supposed to end by the end of the 2023/24 season. However he has officially signed a 1-year contract with Alpha Tauri now so he belongs to them currently.

As for his future yeah I wouldn't like to be certain about anything but I believe this is a sign for a probable signing for Red Bull. Marko must have brought him to AlphaTauri to observe his performance in the rest of the season to decide if he replaces Perez with him or not.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 19, 2023, 03:03:57 PM

Rain is expected for the qualify.

Crazy bet on Norris? Anyone? Cheesy

Rain ? In Hungary ? Oh yes!

Uhm , I might take again Both McLarens top 6 finish and a separate bet with Norris top 3 and Piastri top 6 because Piastri still has high odds for a top 6 finish. Shocked

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 19, 2023, 03:03:57 PM

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Crazy bet on Norris? Anyone? Cheesy

it is crazy (risky is better term) to bet on anyone except Max for a win
and Max odds are low, so that market is kind a better to be skipped

but, Norris on podium looks solid, odds could be better, but it is a obvious moment for him to pick up some glory, so maybe bookies are adjusting for that as well

Piastri to top6 could be better pick on a similar odds

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Rain is expected for the qualify.

Crazy bet on Norris? Anyone? Cheesy

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I wanted to believe in Perez unnecessarily much recently and this caused me to fail my prediction about him in the pool in some races. Perez is still on the decline and his qualifying performance has really been horrible recently. Hence I'm indecisive about trusting him again for the Hungarian Grand Prix as well for now.

When it comes to Ricciardo he won't have a decent car indeed. AlphaTauri car is one of the worsts on the grid now. However getting the best out of that car would be enough for Ricciardo to impress Red Bull for securing a seat for himself in the future. After Red Bull part ways with Perez we will most probably see Ricciardo there.

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Quote from: 1miau on July 17, 2023, 01:35:46 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on July 17, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

Also, if Ricciardo's really being set up for RB, is he worth a top 10 in AT?

Even if Ricciardo gets quickly accustomed to his new team and being back in Formula 1, I believe Alpha Tauri is just not good enough, even with a well performing Ricciardo. Maybe he's very lucky in 1 or 2 races and can get some points from time to time but when he left McLaren recently, his performance was very bad compared to Norris. It'll be interesting to see him again and if he'll be able to beat Yuki. Yuki isn't bad as well.

Alpha Tauri its a coffin with wheels, that for sure, but i think Ricciardo can change that a little. He its not gonna have so much learning curve with the car because he never stop driving to RB/AT he was the reserve driver so he can know some aspects of the car. The only thing we have to see if the car is well prepared to the Ricciardo kind of drive, im refering to his late breaking style.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 17, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

Dumb question here, and I feel like I've asked before, so forgive the repetition if so but -- sprint doesn't change anything on how we put in predictions, right? It's just a different way of qualification and we still enter picks before Saturday to get the EB points?

As far as I know, Belgium sprint race is still as last time in Azerbaijan. So, for Belgium Grand prix, we need to submit our predictions after FP1 and before qualification (Friday):

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But we'll see for sure ahead of Belgium Grand prix if we'll have any changes.

Quote from: buwaytress on July 17, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

I'm wondering if it's wise to go for a repeat of last time around, when Hammie got 2nd place. Am aware it's all different engines now and all that also, but odds are dropping all around behind Max, and Hamilton's still a podium fav only slightly behind Perez.

Difficult to say which teams are stong in Hungary. For a Top 3, we have RedBull, Mercedes and Ferrari in the mix but Alonso as well and McLaren could be strong here again, too, at least Lando Norris.
And of course Verstappen.
If Perez has a normal qualifying, RedBull should be set on the podium, so only 1 spot remains and for this one, many drivers are in the contest. Personally, I'll judge after all FP sessions.

Quote from: buwaytress on July 17, 2023, 11:41:03 AM

Also, if Ricciardo's really being set up for RB, is he worth a top 10 in AT?

Even if Ricciardo gets quickly accustomed to his new team and being back in Formula 1, I believe Alpha Tauri is just not good enough, even with a well performing Ricciardo. Maybe he's very lucky in 1 or 2 races and can get some points from time to time but when he left McLaren recently, his performance was very bad compared to Norris. It'll be interesting to see him again and if he'll be able to beat Yuki. Yuki isn't bad as well.

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Dumb question here, and I feel like I've asked before, so forgive the repetition if so but -- sprint doesn't change anything on how we put in predictions, right? It's just a different way of qualification and we still enter picks before Saturday to get the EB points?

I'm wondering if it's wise to go for a repeat of last time around, when Hammie got 2nd place. Am aware it's all different engines now and all that also, but odds are dropping all around behind Max, and Hamilton's still a podium fav only slightly behind Perez.

Also, if Ricciardo's really being set up for RB, is he worth a top 10 in AT?

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The sprint race format could change once again.

The new formula they have been talking about is to have sprint shootout which determines the grid of sprint race on Friday. And qualifying session will be on Saturday which will determine the grid of main race as well. I think it would be a much better order for the race weeks in which a sprint race included. Because I think it is a little weird to have sprint format right in the middle of qualifying session and main race.

Right after the Hungarian Grand Prix we have a race in Spa and there is a sprint race on that week at the same time. There wasn't any sprint format in Spa last season so I'm wondering how good it will be.

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 15, 2023, 08:16:55 AM

As already said, I think the writing is on the wall for Perez. I don't think Helmut Marko and Horner would get Ricciardo back if they didn't have any plans for him to take the second drive in Red Bull. But I don't think it will be next year as Perez still has until the end of 2024 in his contract. His days are numbered no matter how good he'll be for the remainder of this season and the next.

Good times ahead for the Aussie. Would be funny if they get engine troubles on 2026 and cost them a spot or two on the grid for a couple of seasons. Lol.

Remeber thei contracts are strange.

Whe a driver fail at the main team AKA RedBull often is moved to the second team AKA Alpha Taura.

Happened with Gasly and Albon

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Quote from: tokeweed on July 15, 2023, 08:16:55 AM

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Riccardo if he will go fast will take the spot of Perez next year in RBR.
This is just a test for RBR to see if he is fast enough.

Also as you may have read Norris is set to join Ferrari in 2025 according to rumors from England.

As already said, I think the writing is on the wall for Perez. I don't think Helmut Marko and Horner would get Ricciardo back if they didn't have any plans for him to take the second drive in Red Bull. But I don't think it will be next year as Perez still has until the end of 2024 in his contract. His days are numbered no matter how good he'll be for the remainder of this season and the next.

Good times ahead for the Aussie. Would be funny if they get engine troubles on 2026 and cost them a spot or two on the grid for a couple of seasons. Lol.

Aussie I don't think will perform that better,he was at McLaren a much better car than Alpha Tauri and did not deliver,he sure won a race but that was just pure luck and not driving skills.I am interested to know about Lando Norris if a driver born and raised at McLaren to join their arch rivals of forever of Ferrari,don't get me wrong,I would love to see a very talented driver like Norris join a great team but I am afraid that McLaren may have a winning car at that time and this can be a wrong move,nevertheless I would love to see him winning races,he is one of the few drivers who deserve it and have not achieved any wins yet.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 14, 2023, 04:06:38 PM

Riccardo if he will go fast will take the spot of Perez next year in RBR.
This is just a test for RBR to see if he is fast enough.

Also as you may have read Norris is set to join Ferrari in 2025 according to rumors from England.

As already said, I think the writing is on the wall for Perez. I don't think Helmut Marko and Horner would get Ricciardo back if they didn't have any plans for him to take the second drive in Red Bull. But I don't think it will be next year as Perez still has until the end of 2024 in his contract. His days are numbered no matter how good he'll be for the remainder of this season and the next.

Good times ahead for the Aussie. Would be funny if they get engine troubles on 2026 and cost them a spot or two on the grid for a couple of seasons. Lol.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 14, 2023, 04:06:38 PM

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Also as you may have read Norris is set to join Ferrari in 2025 according to rumors from England.

Yeah I have also heard of it. It is reported that Red Bull wanted to sign a pre-agreement with him but Ferrari intervened meanwhile and convinced him to sign for themselves. Maybe Norris didn't want to be seen as the second driver at Red Bull. Because the hierarchy would be maintained there as long as Red Bull have Verstappen. But Ferrari don't have such thing now. Leclerc and Sainz are seen equal so this can be very beneficial for Norris to do better things. But I hope we don't have the same mistakes continuing by Ferrari as for strategies by then. Grin

In addition other rumours are like Sainz could join Audi in 2025 and Leclerc can sign for Mercedes as well.

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Riccardo if he will go fast will take the spot of Perez next year in RBR.
This is just a test for RBR to see if he is fast enough.

Also as you may have read Norris is set to join Ferrari in 2025 according to rumors from England.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 12, 2023, 05:03:40 PM

The next GP will be in 10 days.
We will have a big update, according to Verstappen, to the RBR.

The moment whit a team near them (McLaren) can be already over.

So, what we are gonna see?, a Falcon 9 from Space X branded like a RedBull and with Max Verstappen driving it?. He its gonna lap everyone.

Sad to see we are not gonna catch them.

About RB/ Alpha Tauri and Ricciardo issue, i was really surpirsed for the really bad performance of Nick De Vries, i know the car its quite bad, but i think he can do more.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 12, 2023, 05:03:40 PM

The next GP will be in 10 days.
We will have a big update, according to Verstappen, to the RBR.

The moment whit a team near them (McLaren) can be already over.

Of course Redbull was not standing in the sun while all other teams worked out their upgrades,Redbull worked out upgrades too.However we have to see how good this upgrade will be as honestly I don't see much room for improvement in a car which is already flying and especially in Hungaroring the track where will go now surely is the least suitable to test upgrades as it is a very slow track,so even if this upgrade is massive as Verstappen is describing it there will be no watchable improvement during the race in my opinion.If the upgrade is truly massive then SPA the legendary track can show all to us of how good this upgrade is.

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 12, 2023, 05:31:46 AM

Quote from: swogerino on July 09, 2023, 06:37:07 AM

There is no such thing as Sainz departure on the horizont,I think you have not read the news all over the place where Ferrari extended for another two seasons with Sainz while Leclerc is near it too so there is no room for Albon to come to Ferrari,not at least before another 2 seasons end.

I think Perez has still everything under control as long as he can qualify second in points in the end of this season which is easy doable in my opinion considering he has the best car on the grid then he would be renewed his contract,why would want Redbull to ruin things as long as Max wins titles and his team mate is 2nd overall?

Yeah I know about his contract extension. His new contract is until the end of 2024 for now. There are just rumours out like that but to be honest Sainz is a talented driver and I love the competition between him and Leclerc. Ferrari see their drivers equal now so this makes the competition even tougher.

I was talking about Ricciardo to Red Bull but Ricciardo has been announced as AlphaTauri's new driver in de Vries' place until the end of the season.

Perez's seat must be safe for now. Yeah Max's winning titles is what Red Bull want first but there is a really significant drop in Perez's effort recently anyway. They would like to see both of their drivers on podium as much as possible.

Source: https://twitter.com/F1/status/1678776048513847297

Same here, been yapping about Ricciardo to get the second drive at Red Bull since the day it was announced that Horner and Helmut agreed to acquire Ricciardo as their reserve driver. But I think him getting the drive at Alpha Tauri sets him up perfectly to get the second drive at Red Bull. Perez still has til end of 2024 in his contract. And Ricciardo needs more track time at real live races to get the rust out and sharpen his skills...

The writing is on the wall imho. Ricciardo will get seat no. 2 at Red Bull on 2024.

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