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Quote from: boltz on June 25, 2023, 04:02:35 PM

So yea , let's hope Ferrari really have something to show and prove in next race.

I don't think is a good idea for Ferrari to invest in this car due to the cap on the budget they have.

since they can only spend a certain amount of money it will be wiser to save all the money they can for this car and start to already invest in the next car since they can put that money in this fiscal year.

Also true , but they need to have a car to secure 4th place in Championship because McLaren might bring them a surprise by the end of the season and if somehow Ferrari cannot keep 4th place...that will reduce the potential to develop the next a lot so that's why the still need to improve this car a bit not to fight with RedBull or Aston and Mercedes because clearly they cannot fight any of them Sad

((. I'm a Ferrari fan and I can feel the pain of the race for them before it even starts;D Grin

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Quote from: boltz on June 25, 2023, 04:02:35 PM

So yea , let's hope Ferrari really have something to show and prove in next race.

I don't think is a good idea for Ferrari to invest in this car due to the cap on the budget they have.

since they can only spend a certain amount of money it will be wiser to save all the money they can for this car and start to already invest in the next car since they can put that money in this fiscal year.

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Well...if we have a rainy day in Austria , that track will become almost impossible to drive because we have so many changes of altitude during 1 lap time and that will trick most of the drivers ( not Max because he loves driving in his rain and I do recommend to see a detailed documentary about how good Max is during the rain and why so just search it for it). This is the only track besides Mexico who is being placed in such high altitude in the mountains if I do remember well.

Also , if Ferrari said that they had the 2nd best car right now after what they managed to develop during the Canada grandprix and I'm curious if they will validate this point during Austria race because if they trow another bait or false news , I'm afraid Tiffosi fans will have a riot back in Italy because you can't trow false hopes when your car is already in a bad situation so far during this season. So yea , let's hope Ferrari really have something to show and prove in next race.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 23, 2023, 12:53:59 PM

There’s no race this weekend.

Verstappen is a big favourite @ 1.32 next weekend in Austria. Does anyone actually bet on him at such big odds or do you go for longer odds like who else will be on the podium etc.

Some early odds from sportsbet.io - https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race-64942f3753c22538b6ff4c20

We have much more chances on who will be on the podium,most likely a Mercedes or Aston Martin and the odd of them to be in the podium is much better than Verstappen winning the race.I doubt anyone will stop Verstappen in Austria too but of course any rain in the middle of the race is welcome,any Safety Car just after Verstappen has pitted is also more than welcome,it is this kind of variables that keep us hooked in front of the screen,despite we deep inside knowing Verstappen in normal conditions will win the race we still hope that something will change and bring us some emotions during the race.

The missing puzzle of who can make races more watchable is exactly Perez who has the same car as Verstappen yet he screws up race after the race.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 23, 2023, 12:53:59 PM

There’s no race this weekend.

Verstappen is a big favourite @ 1.32 next weekend in Austria. Does anyone actually bet on him at such big odds or do you go for longer odds like who else will be on the podium etc.

Some early odds from sportsbet.io - https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race-64942f3753c22538b6ff4c20

The weather in Austria will be variable this weekend, it may rain again during F1 like it happened several times this year.
About prediction, the race should be an easy task for RBR even if Ferrari and Aston Martin did a big step ahead.

I think he may lose the pole position but it will have an easy task again for the race.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 23, 2023, 07:17:12 AM

With how Perez has been sucking lately I think there's gonna be some value on Perez's line to be in the podium, the fastest lap market or some other market.

Austrian GP is Red Bull's home ground, I think they'll take some extra steps to make sure they finish first and second on the podium. Any other result would be unacceptable. If Perez fails here, his days are numbered... J/K. Grin

Perez's days already seem numbered in fact. Because there have been speculations all around like Red Bull are preparing to bring Ricciardo into Perez's place soon. They say that it will be clear after Silverstone tests. This is quite exciting news for me because Perez is just not a good companion for Verstappen anymore.

Perez's not being able to be competitive for the championship is no big deal for Red Bull in fact. But they must be wishing to see Perez right behind Verstappen most of the time to not endanger their constructor championship chance. We don't know how Ricciardo would come back though but it feels like he can do better than Perez.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 23, 2023, 12:53:59 PM

There’s no race this weekend.

Verstappen is a big favourite @ 1.32 next weekend in Austria. Does anyone actually bet on him at such big odds or do you go for longer odds like who else will be on the podium etc.

Some early odds from sportsbet.io - https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race-64942f3753c22538b6ff4c20

No way I'm betting on a waaay juiced up line like that. And it's in F1, a sport where there's just lots of unknowns days before the race, during the practice sessions, up until qualifying. I mean what if he qualifies 10th or something..? Again, remember the unknowns. It would've been better to wait to catch a better line.

It's def better to look for value somewhere else like to finish in the top 10, fastest lap and like you said, podium finishes.

The head to head markets are fun too.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on June 23, 2023, 12:53:59 PM

There’s no race this weekend.

Verstappen is a big favourite @ 1.32 next weekend in Austria. Does anyone actually bet on him at such big odds or do you go for longer odds like who else will be on the podium etc.

Some early odds from sportsbet.io - https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race-64942f3753c22538b6ff4c20

Im always very carefull on the favorites of F1, because you have so much things that can go wrong. Engine broken, a punch in the tyre, some safety car deployed at very bad moment, a other car destroying you car at the first turn of the race after the start.

But yes 1.32 its a nice odds for Max.

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There’s no race this weekend.

Verstappen is a big favourite @ 1.32 next weekend in Austria. Does anyone actually bet on him at such big odds or do you go for longer odds like who else will be on the podium etc.

Some early odds from sportsbet.io - https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/formula-1/formula-1/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race/austrian-grand-prix-2023-race-64942f3753c22538b6ff4c20

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Quote from: CLS63 on June 23, 2023, 05:26:01 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2023, 07:37:39 AM

The thing is Verstappen is pretty fast under wet track conditions too. But yeah, I also hope it rains as prolly the best three drivers on the grid who work best in the rain are Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen. There are prolly a couple or so more guys but those three stick out.

Anyway, does anybody else feel like Perez won't be given another extension on his contract? It ends next year after 2024 season. I think Ricciardo will be driver no. 2 at RBR at 2025.

Verstappen is really dominating in every track condition. But still there is a chance to watch a more competitive race generally in case of rain here. If we see dry track then I don't know how big gap Verstappen would have with the others. In the previous season's Austrian GP Leclerc and Verstappen had an insane gap with the others starting with 40 seconds or so.

Leclerc was able to compete with Verstappen at the same level in some races in those times at least. But now there is literally nobody who can. Perez started the season well but now he is also struggling a lot.

With how Perez has been sucking lately I think there's gonna be some value on Perez's line to be in the podium, the fastest lap market or some other market.

Austrian GP is Red Bull's home ground, I think they'll take some extra steps to make sure they finish first and second on the podium. Any other result would be unacceptable. If Perez fails here, his days are numbered... J/K. Grin

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I got the golden spoon but I'm okay with it because I had random picks for Canada but nothing really worked for me. I might keep doing random picks simply because I'm so boring of RedBull and Max dominating that I simply don't enjoy watching the race any longer. What is appeal to F1 right ? No spectacle , no crashes , no real competition , no rivalries ...nothing. It's like we are watching the same season on repeat for 3 years already. Sad

I don't know any golden spoon but of course you must have gotten the wooden spoon which is the prize that the least performing participant gets not only in this predictor but in every predictor that is run through Superbru.

I have to agree with you,the Canada race was extra boring.I think a good appeal to F1 would be to get the race done during Saturday if it is raining in order to give us fans something back to get hyped for,this to be done only when a team is dominating the F1 season for more than 2 years,of course when normal amount of rain is present just like it was this Saturday on Canada,that would be a nice rule to add to F1 but I know most likely many will disagree.

Yea , I edited my post after you corrected me and makes sense haha. I had wooden picks so I had to get a wooden spoon right ? But in my defense , I did random picks Grin

and the outcome was really a chaos one.

2nd of July we are heading into Austrian mountains for F1 and here is that one race where I see no chances for Max to lose the race or the pole.

I am afraid you are again right,the track suits Redbull really well,however last year we had Charles win there and with a clutch problem,the car could not go down than third gear so Charles did a wonderful defending race and Max was not able to overtake him on the track.This is a beautiful technical track but seeing temperatures of over 30 degree Celsius in most of Europe I highly doubt we can have a chance of rain in Austria despite Austria being a country where in the past has rained a lot.

I think no one should go with random picks,well no one except the ones who have got nothing to lose,all the others should try to collect as many possible points in each and every race thus increasing their chances of a prize.

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Quote from: swogerino on June 21, 2023, 06:28:32 AM

Quote from: boltz on June 21, 2023, 06:09:24 AM

I got the golden spoon but I'm okay with it because I had random picks for Canada but nothing really worked for me. I might keep doing random picks simply because I'm so boring of RedBull and Max dominating that I simply don't enjoy watching the race any longer. What is appeal to F1 right ? No spectacle , no crashes , no real competition , no rivalries ...nothing. It's like we are watching the same season on repeat for 3 years already. Sad

I don't know any golden spoon but of course you must have gotten the wooden spoon which is the prize that the least performing participant gets not only in this predictor but in every predictor that is run through Superbru.

I have to agree with you,the Canada race was extra boring.I think a good appeal to F1 would be to get the race done during Saturday if it is raining in order to give us fans something back to get hyped for,this to be done only when a team is dominating the F1 season for more than 2 years,of course when normal amount of rain is present just like it was this Saturday on Canada,that would be a nice rule to add to F1 but I know most likely many will disagree.

Yea , I edited my post after you corrected me and makes sense haha. I had wooden picks so I had to get a wooden spoon right ? But in my defense , I did random picks Grin

and the outcome was really a chaos one.

2nd of July we are heading into Austrian mountains for F1 and here is that one race where I see no chances for Max to lose the race or the pole.

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Quote from: tokeweed on June 21, 2023, 07:37:39 AM

The thing is Verstappen is pretty fast under wet track conditions too. But yeah, I also hope it rains as prolly the best three drivers on the grid who work best in the rain are Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen. There are prolly a couple or so more guys but those three stick out.

Anyway, does anybody else feel like Perez won't be given another extension on his contract? It ends next year after 2024 season. I think Ricciardo will be driver no. 2 at RBR at 2025.

Verstappen is really dominating in every track condition. But still there is a chance to watch a more competitive race generally in case of rain here. If we see dry track then I don't know how big gap Verstappen would have with the others. In the previous season's Austrian GP Leclerc and Verstappen had an insane gap with the others starting with 40 seconds or so.

Leclerc was able to compete with Verstappen at the same level in some races in those times at least. But now there is literally nobody who can. Perez started the season well but now he is also struggling a lot.

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Quote from: 1miau on June 20, 2023, 08:29:49 PM

Quote from: rdbase on June 20, 2023, 06:56:17 PM

Austria is where Red Bull practice and take test runs on to their own home track for the off-season.
Last season Max was in a sea of orange smoke and I can't see it being any different this time around.

Maybe it'll rain this time in Austria.
So far, we haven't seen any rain in Austria as I can remember, which is quite surprising, considering rain is pretty common in the Alps, where Spielberg is located. Similar like Belgium, rain can come up in a very short time and if rain is coming up, it'll be heavy.
Might be an interesting race, especially the last corner and the corners after 1st (uphill) and 2nd (downhill) long straight. Personally, I'll hope for rain.

So, maybe we won't see any orange smoke due to rain.
We might know later. Tongue

The thing is Verstappen is pretty fast under wet track conditions too. But yeah, I also hope it rains as prolly the best three drivers on the grid who work best in the rain are Alonso, Hamilton and Verstappen. There are prolly a couple or so more guys but those three stick out.

Anyway, does anybody else feel like Perez won't be given another extension on his contract? It ends next year after 2024 season. I think Ricciardo will be driver no. 2 at RBR at 2025.

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Quote from: boltz on June 21, 2023, 06:09:24 AM

I got the golden spoon but I'm okay with it because I had random picks for Canada but nothing really worked for me. I might keep doing random picks simply because I'm so boring of RedBull and Max dominating that I simply don't enjoy watching the race any longer. What is appeal to F1 right ? No spectacle , no crashes , no real competition , no rivalries ...nothing. It's like we are watching the same season on repeat for 3 years already. Sad

I don't know any golden spoon but of course you must have gotten the wooden spoon which is the prize that the least performing participant gets not only in this predictor but in every predictor that is run through Superbru.

I have to agree with you,the Canada race was extra boring.I think a good appeal to F1 would be to get the race done during Saturday if it is raining in order to give us fans something back to get hyped for,this to be done only when a team is dominating the F1 season for more than 2 years,of course when normal amount of rain is present just like it was this Saturday on Canada,that would be a nice rule to add to F1 but I know most likely many will disagree.

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I got the golden spoon but I'm okay with it because I had random picks for Canada but nothing really worked for me. I might keep doing random picks simply because I'm so boring of RedBull and Max dominating that I simply don't enjoy watching the race any longer. What is appeal to F1 right ? No spectacle , no crashes , no real competition , no rivalries ...nothing. It's like we are watching the same season on repeat for 3 years already. Sad

EDIT : wooden spoon indeed as I had wooden picks Grin

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Quote from: rdbase on June 20, 2023, 06:56:17 PM

Thanks for the congratulations @buwaytress @1miau @ILuckyGuyI @Koal-84 and of course @CLS63 for maintaining this F1 pool thread!
Only just noticed these mentions so it was nice to see them.

Austria is where Red Bull practice and take test runs on to their own home track for the off-season.
Last season Max was in a sea of orange smoke and I can't see it being any different this time around.
Just question is how far behind will Perez be from him in the front row at the start of the race?

It is nice to have you here as well.

When it comes to the Austria GP it is surely likely to see orange smoke everywhere among Verstappen fans. Grin

He loves this atmosphere a lot as well and does his best to take the win in the race as well. But the previous race didn't end up in favour of him you know. He was great in qualifying and sprint sessions both by finishing as the leader. However in the race the winner was Leclerc. There was already a great competition between them before the race too. It was Ferrari's better times.

However now Verstappen is a solid favourite to take that win by a satisfying level of dominance. Alonso and Hamilton seem the second strongest drivers lately but their job is very difficult against Verstappen as usual.

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Quote from: rdbase on June 20, 2023, 06:56:17 PM

Austria is where Red Bull practice and take test runs on to their own home track for the off-season.
Last season Max was in a sea of orange smoke and I can't see it being any different this time around.

Maybe it'll rain this time in Austria.
So far, we haven't seen any rain in Austria as I can remember, which is quite surprising, considering rain is pretty common in the Alps, where Spielberg is located. Similar like Belgium, rain can come up in a very short time and if rain is coming up, it'll be heavy.
Might be an interesting race, especially the last corner and the corners after 1st (uphill) and 2nd (downhill) long straight. Personally, I'll hope for rain.

So, maybe we won't see any orange smoke due to rain.
We might know later. Tongue

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Thanks for the congratulations @buwaytress @1miau @ILuckyGuyI @Koal-84 and of course @CLS63 for maintaining this F1 pool thread!
Only just noticed these mentions so it was nice to see them.

Austria is where Red Bull practice and take test runs on to their own home track for the off-season.
Last season Max was in a sea of orange smoke and I can't see it being any different this time around.
Just question is how far behind will Perez be from him in the front row at the start of the race?

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Quote from: casperBGD on June 19, 2023, 04:51:45 AM

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Overally, a bad performance from Perez once again...

yeah, pretty disappointing from him, not sure what is happening

Really difficult to say, Perez seems to be very inconsistent depending on tracks. In Baku for example, he seemed to be faster compared to Verstappen, even not considering Verstappen's bad strategy, where Verstappen boxed too early. Perez also won Sprint in Baku.
On many other tracks, Verstappen is much better compared to Perez but Verstappen is consistently better than the rest of the field, while Perez had several races, where he missed the podium.

Maybe Canada was a difficult race for Red Bull in general because also Verstappen didn't get a dominat gap to Alonso / Hamilton as usual.
Tyre degradation has been very low in Canada. Even Ferrari didn't suffer from tyre degradation.
So, probably tyre degradation is a factor making Red Bull dominant if we'll have high tyre degradation because Red Bull is an efficient car.

While in Spain for example, Red Bull was much more dominant, we had much more tyre degradation.

Maybe it's related to that and Perez is just a multiplicator when a track doesn't suit Red Bull.
I remember Australia as well, where Perez had a horrible performance, Red Bull wasn't dominant there as Verstappen won but was overtaken by Hamilton early in the race, until Verstappen overtook him back.

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