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Salah is an important part of the Slot game puzzles it would be a shame to let him go, we might see the best of Salah again this season, he's looking offensive and sharp. City are on another level above everyone but Liverpool might give them some heat for their money.
From the last a few seasons it's Liverpool vs City in the tittle race even though the year before Liverpool were not even in the top 4. Arsenal were looking a threat for City last season but eventually Arsenal lost their way at the end of the season.

All clubs should be treated the same and not allowing some to get away with things that a smaller club will be penalize for.
It sounds nice, democratic but I never seen it in practice anywhere.
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Man Utd’s drop off since Ferguson left is crazy, football has changed but it seems he was the only man holding that club together.

I'd hate to say this but nothing has been working for us since Fergie left. Actually the worst decision was to bring in David Moyes after Fergie left, everything has been falling apart ever since

The Sir Alex era was great, but let's not pretend he didn't have the entire FA refs in his pocket; the club received favourable decisions, and SAG got away with so many things that other managers were penalised for. Every week, they played with 12 men (+ ref). He was equally feared and respected. They haven't been the same since he retired....... And might not be..

Heard their training and stadium facilities are all outdated too. Lol
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They literally sign everyone that Ten Hag wants, they gave him full support and yet Ten Hag is now digging his own grave with all that.
Ten Hag is like a golden boy, the board will do what he wants including some staff brought in from Ten Hag's wishes, not so smoothly what the strategy plans remain chaotic.

Its ugly for us, lost 2 from the first 3 games and the next 5 rounds would be crucial for Ten Hag, if he cant win atleast 4 of them then I'd imagine how the board would react to this.
OK, W4 against Southampton as away Manchester United can win because this is an opponent that is not worth it.
W5 against Crystal Palace as away is a little difficult, I know Palace is sometimes difficult to beat at home.
W6 against Spurs is still indecisive and doubts the victory at Old Trafford, if not winning then the board will likely decide soon. If he is fired early, no problem Manchester United will bear all the costs of his contract.

Man Utd’s drop off since Ferguson left is crazy, football has changed but it seems he was the only man holding that club together.
I'd hate to say this but nothing has been working for us since Fergie left. Actually the worst decision was to bring in David Moyes after Fergie left, everything has been falling apart ever since
Until now no one can continue the legacy of Ferguson. The chaos continued until the Ten Hag era.
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I don't really blame the managers, I blame the structure above them. I swear to God that sometimes I have a feeling that they buy buy players based on Instagram followers and not on the pitch performance.

They literally sign everyone that Ten Hag wants, they gave him full support and yet Ten Hag is now digging his own grave with all that.

Its ugly for us, lost 2 from the first 3 games and the next 5 rounds would be crucial for Ten Hag, if he cant win atleast 4 of them then I'd imagine how the board would react to this.

Man Utd’s drop off since Ferguson left is crazy, football has changed but it seems he was the only man holding that club together.

I'd hate to say this but nothing has been working for us since Fergie left. Actually the worst decision was to bring in David Moyes after Fergie left, everything has been falling apart ever since
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Man Utd’s drop off since Ferguson left is crazy, football has changed but it seems he was the only man holding that club together.

They have spent so much money, actually more than Man City in recent years but they continue to be a poor team. Ten Hag has spent £600,000,000 and they are no better than when he started there. As a Liverpool fan I hope it continues.

I don't really blame the managers, I blame the structure above them. I swear to God that sometimes I have a feeling that they buy buy players based on Instagram followers and not on the pitch performance.

What they are doing is laughable and yeah, nice to see them in such a situation for a change. It is respectable though that they still do so well financially without consecutive CL appearances and with such poor performances.
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United managers seem to like to dwell on the past. I remember Mourinho's famous 3 fingers. I won more than all the 19 managers in Premier League combined. Respect. lol

Nobody ignores the past but the present it the only thing that matters in football. Arsenal were kings of FA Cup but fans needed to see them compete for Premier League. That's the essence of football, winning leagues.

Man Utd’s drop off since Ferguson left is crazy, football has changed but it seems he was the only man holding that club together.

They have spent so much money, actually more than Man City in recent years but they continue to be a poor team. Ten Hag has spent £600,000,000 and they are no better than when he started there. As a Liverpool fan I hope it continues.
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Amazing politician!

Still same excuses of " I won more trophies than Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal in the last two years" But not really an excuse, hehe. I'm not sure how he managed to gain club support given how the club has performed since his arrival.

Same issue with Chelsea: sacking managers isn't working, and it's difficult to get a broken squad to compete again.

United managers seem to like to dwell on the past. I remember Mourinho's famous 3 fingers. I won more than all the 19 managers in Premier League combined. Respect. lol

Nobody ignores the past but the present it the only thing that matters in football. Arsenal were kings of FA Cup but fans needed to see them compete for Premier League. That's the essence of football, winning leagues.
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Top clubs generate most of the traffic, thus generating most of the money, thus getting most of the privileges. Shitty that it's this way, but as long as money runs the game we'll be seeing more and more of it.

Injustice and that isn't ending anytime soon which is why I love it when the small clubs disgrace the big ones (excluding when it's my club though lol). Money has spoiled the good game of football.

All clubs should be treated the same and not allowing some to get away with things that a smaller club will be penalize for. VRA isn't fair, the referee aren't fair too and it's the small club being bullied all the time.
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The Premier League allows top managers to get away with a lot of wrongdoing, which is the problem.

I think this is more a club thing. If Klopp was managing Brighton, he'd have been fined all the time.

Top clubs generate most of the traffic, thus generating most of the money, thus getting most of the privileges. Shitty that it's this way, but as long as money runs the game we'll be seeing more and more of it.

And that is the sole reason City will never face severe punishment that will hinder their league and Champions League performance: they are the face of the league and produce more revenue for the FA in the CL. I usually tell my colleagues that no one cares about these midtable clubs; if you commit a little offence, you're more likely to receive a penalty quicker than any top team with the same offence.

If you still do not get it, I give up on the topic.

You stated that such restrictions do not exist and that managers can walk out of the technical area without penalties. No offence, but I'm done with this discussion if you can't admit you got it wrong and I was correct all along.

there is no such rule that coaches get booked if they step outside their technical area
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Did you read the link you shared? If not, I helped you with a screenshot and a highlight to make it easy.
It clearly stated there that occasionally stepping out of your technical area can get a warning, not a caution. Now please read this part slowly, YOU said Arteta stepped out of his technical area ONE TIME and did not get a yellow card, that is NOT the rule and does not show inconsistencies as you were trying to point out for some reasons.
If you still do not get it, I give up on the topic.

...So I would say Arteta is enjoying the same tolerance from English refs, as is Pep, another animated manager.

But yeah always exceptions, especially if it's positive behaviour I think. Celebrations usually go unpunished (I think?) but he definitely should have been cautioned when he ran onto the pitch to celebrate Origi's win vs flailing Pickford. Man but I would probably have done the same, but being objective, I really don't think non-playing people should ever enter the pitch, it's hallowed ground.
I will disagree on this. Arteta has come under fire for doing things other coaches will get away with. I remember when he complained about a referee's decision in his post match interview and called it a disgrace or words along those line and was absolutely piled on, other coaches have had the liberty of complaining and using certain words without coming under fire. He has also been booked for over-celebrating when he did not even get into the pitch, but as you highlighted, Klopp has run the full length and back without a caution. Arteta was the most booked coach last season, that is not someone who is enjoying a privilege.
If you notice, Arteta has become so much less animated than he used to be two seasons or so ago, why do you think that is?

Hahaha un_rank is too stubborn it's common thing among Kai Havertz lovers, I only hate the fact that he sees valid arguments and banter as "troll" I understand football banter is not for everyone but.... We do it for a living... Grin
You have to be good at it for it to be called banter, valid arguments is a stretch  Tongue

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The Premier League allows top managers to get away with a lot of wrongdoing, which is the problem.

I think this is more a club thing. If Klopp was managing Brighton, he'd have been fined all the time.

Top clubs generate most of the traffic, thus generating most of the money, thus getting most of the privileges. Shitty that it's this way, but as long as money runs the game we'll be seeing more and more of it.
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P.S. This is the essence of banter, un_rank and Igebotz fighting it out over technical area misconduct haha. This is why we have this pool on the forum! And this is why Sportsbet mf punters are the best here.

Not taking sides here just adding my own, I know nobody asked haha. Technically, what I notice in the EPL anyway, refs turn a blind eye to managers simply leaving technical areas (without committing any other offence). And I know Klopp especially used to get ignored when he did this -- but if some sort of non-positive behaviour accompanies, refs in England dish out a warning before the caution. He's definitely been cautioned, even sent off, for it, and no complaints. So I would say Arteta is enjoying the same tolerance from English refs, as is Pep, another animated manager.

But yeah always exceptions, especially if it's positive behaviour I think. Celebrations usually go unpunished (I think?) but he definitely should have been cautioned when he ran onto the pitch to celebrate Origi's win vs flailing Pickford. Man but I would probably have done the same, but being objective, I really don't think non-playing people should ever enter the pitch, it's hallowed ground.

Hahaha un_rank is too stubborn it's common thing among Kai Havertz lovers, I only hate the fact that he sees valid arguments and banter as "troll" I understand football banter is not for everyone but.... We do it for a living... Grin

You took the words out of my mouth and explained them perfectly; some managers appear to enjoy the privilege of straying from the technical area without being penalised, but claiming that such rules do not exist is not true, which is why I left him the link above.

Some managers are motivated by passion and want to be involved in games, which can lead them away from the technical area unintentionally, but I can't say the same with Arteta, who enjoys being on the touchline because he knows the FA refs are inconsistent. The Premier League allows top managers to get away with a lot of wrongdoing, which is the problem.
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^ Nice link, I read some of his comments but watching the whole bit is brilliant (even if the reporter actually got a couple of facts wrong as comments pointed out). ETH definitely should have considered a career in politics.

P.S. This is the essence of banter, un_rank and Igebotz fighting it out over technical area misconduct haha. This is why we have this pool on the forum! And this is why Sportsbet mf punters are the best here.

Not taking sides here just adding my own, I know nobody asked haha. Technically, what I notice in the EPL anyway, refs turn a blind eye to managers simply leaving technical areas (without committing any other offence). And I know Klopp especially used to get ignored when he did this -- but if some sort of non-positive behaviour accompanies, refs in England dish out a warning before the caution. He's definitely been cautioned, even sent off, for it, and no complaints. So I would say Arteta is enjoying the same tolerance from English refs, as is Pep, another animated manager.

But yeah always exceptions, especially if it's positive behaviour I think. Celebrations usually go unpunished (I think?) but he definitely should have been cautioned when he ran onto the pitch to celebrate Origi's win vs flailing Pickford. Man but I would probably have done the same, but being objective, I really don't think non-playing people should ever enter the pitch, it's hallowed ground.
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By the way, I made that bet but unfortunately other outcomes were not in my favor. Probably I should have made a separate bet on Liverpool and that's it, x3 is very good for a single bet.
I just came across Ten Hag's post-match interview and I even felt a little sorry for him, the journalist crushed him, take a look:
https://x.com/paritosh_bhide/status/1830490257151742435?t=3AMK3FZ7wOEyGbHazbOlJw&s=19

I missed that you made it a multibet, I read that it was just a straight down bet, very big missed opportunity for sure man.

I like media clips, usually managers are getting it very unfair I agree, but come on, they should know that's a big part of the job, literally they are getting paid to get the abuse Smiley

The link you shared is gone tho, but I found the clip for those who haven't enjoyed Ten Hag enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbgz4rBh-fs

Amazing politician!

Ten Hag's problem is that for those who follow United his excuses are already known and he has to repeat them over and over again.
Thanks for the link! These DMCA complaints that cause so much content to disappear from social networks are becoming a real cancer. I don't understand why this doesn't fall under fair use?
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I missed that you made it a multibet, I read that it was just a straight down bet, very big missed opportunity for sure man.

I like media clips, usually managers are getting it very unfair I agree, but come on, they should know that's a big part of the job, literally they are getting paid to get the abuse Smiley

Amazing politician!

Still same excuses of " I won more trophies than Liverpool, Tottenham and Arsenal in the last two years" But not really an excuse, hehe. I'm not sure how he managed to gain club support given how the club has performed since his arrival.

Same issue with Chelsea: sacking managers isn't working, and it's difficult to get a broken squad to compete again.



Hey buddy Check this out  Cheesy https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
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Nope, you were wrong not me, I just taught you part of the rules you didn't think existed in the first place, you should be thankful to me and stop shifting goalposts- You argued that coaches leaving a technical area is not an offence, but you rephrased your words after reading the rules.
Do you imagine scenarios dude? This what you wrote which I responded too-
Yes very inconsistent and that's the only reason he didn't book Arteta for stepping out of the technical area - he should be getting booked for this, but he's always getting away with it.
There is no such rule, coaches do it all the time, it can only be an issue when it is persistent or done violently like to kick a cooler or something like that which is what I pointed out to you. It is impossible to have a rational conversation with you cause you keep doubling down and grabbing at straws.

You drew a game and came back to cry over a potential yellow card offence that occurred 15 minutes into the game while your manager was busy walking on the touchline. Let it go bro...
Another straw grab and use of buzz words Roll Eyes

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By the way, I made that bet but unfortunately other outcomes were not in my favor. Probably I should have made a separate bet on Liverpool and that's it, x3 is very good for a single bet.
I just came across Ten Hag's post-match interview and I even felt a little sorry for him, the journalist crushed him, take a look:
https://x.com/paritosh_bhide/status/1830490257151742435?t=3AMK3FZ7wOEyGbHazbOlJw&s=19

I missed that you made it a multibet, I read that it was just a straight down bet, very big missed opportunity for sure man.

I like media clips, usually managers are getting it very unfair I agree, but come on, they should know that's a big part of the job, literally they are getting paid to get the abuse Smiley

The link you shared is gone tho, but I found the clip for those who haven't enjoyed Ten Hag enough: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbgz4rBh-fs

Amazing politician!

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Today I discovered that I have a free bet from somewhere (probably a bonus for participating in one of the polls), so I also plan to make a risky multi-bet (minimum odds of 10) and here I will choose Liverpool to win with a handicap of -1. It is clear that it is far from certain that Liverpool will take revenge so confidently, but the odds of 3.0 seem to me to be excellent compensation for the risk.

This is the nice problem to have for me also. I know there are freebets for yellow caps and competitions, but as they all come together, you have to guess where from, but nice problem Wink

Hope you won this one, Liverpool should have been 5 zero or something apparently. United are that bad! It was excellent odds I totally agree.

Let me be a bad guy to say however Liverpool haven't met a top 4 challenger yet, tho the same is to be said about City.

So we need to wait and see about this.

By the way, I made that bet but unfortunately other outcomes were not in my favor. Probably I should have made a separate bet on Liverpool and that's it, x3 is very good for a single bet.
I just came across Ten Hag's post-match interview and I even felt a little sorry for him, the journalist crushed him, take a look:
https://x.com/paritosh_bhide/status/1830490257151742435?t=3AMK3FZ7wOEyGbHazbOlJw&s=19
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Someone checked out the rules finally  Grin - You're welcome.
Just admit you were wrong, no need to keep doubling down and selectively picking sentences.

Nope, you were wrong not me, I just taught you part of the rules you didn't think existed in the first place, you should be thankful to me and stop shifting goalposts- You argued that coaches leaving a technical area is not an offence, but you rephrased your words after reading the rules.

You drew a game and came back to cry over a potential yellow card offence that occurred 15 minutes into the game while your manager was busy walking on the touchline. Let it go bro...

9 points out of three matches, scored 7 goals so far without conceding a single one. Too early to predict something when City is always showing their best. But I do not think we do not have any hope. Problem with us that at the end of the season we lose our focus and lose easy points that costs us a lot.

Salah is an important part of the Slot game puzzles it would be a shame to let him go, we might see the best of Salah again this season, he's looking offensive and sharp. City are on another level above everyone but Liverpool might give them some heat for their money.
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West Ham, Manchester Utd, Chelsea are some of the team who are always confusing to me. They do not have consistency.

3 clubs without a world class goal scorer  Grin- Jackson is the worst of all, man is the worst finisher after Nunez in the league. Liverpool are going to challenge for the league title, I've seen enough of Slot football  Grin
9 points out of three matches, scored 7 goals so far without conceding a single one. Too early to predict something when City is always showing their best. But I do not think we do not have any hope. Problem with us that at the end of the season we lose our focus and lose easy points that costs us a lot.
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