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Quote from: Welsh on August 11, 2022, 04:26:52 AM

I genuinely believe its a hangover from a great manager. It's never easy to replace your manager that has basically become part of the furniture. They usually have some stubborn personalities, and usually do it a little different from the norm. Sir Alex Ferguson commanded respect, so he was able to get away with a lot of things that other managers can't. Same as Klopp when we lose Klopp I genuinely believe we'll go into another dip, unless we have another fantastic manager to back him up. There's hope in Klopp's assistant manager, and Gerrard, but we'll have to see.

I wouldn't call managers like Mourinho or Van Gaal bad, these are the best talents you can get for the money in the current market. The bigger problem is the eagerness of the fans and supporters. They want instant result. It took 3 years for Klopp to finally win a trophy at Liverpool. But Man Utd was so accustomed to win titles in Ferguson's era that anything less than that is a bad season for them. Solskjær was doing great but then Ronaldo came and he had to change his plans and it backfired. Now, Tan Hag who is one of the best European managers but already facing backlash after a single loss. Only if fans can remain supportive to him for a season or two like Barca doing with Xavi, he can turn the wheel of United's fortune.

Van Gaal was past his best days when Man United gave him the call and got him in the club. I think the biggest mistake was hiring the genius Moyes. It would've been different if they went straight to Mourinho. He wasn't deteriorating yet at the time and he has always expressed his desire to manage United after Ferguson. What could have been...

There were also some words swirling around at the time that Ferguson went to Barcelona to give Guardiola a visit during the latter's sabbatical and to ask him to be the next United manager. He went to Bayern but I think Pep has always had his eyes set on City after Ferran Soriano and Txiki went there.

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Quote from: Welsh on August 11, 2022, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: webtricks on August 11, 2022, 09:22:37 AM

I wouldn't call managers like Mourinho or Van Gaal bad, these are the best talents you can get for the money in the current market. The bigger problem is the eagerness of the fans and supporters. They want instant result. It took 3 years for Klopp to finally win a trophy at Liverpool. But Man Utd was so accustomed to win titles in Ferguson's era that anything less than that is a bad season for them. Solskjær was doing great but then Ronaldo came and he had to change his plans and it backfired. Now, Tan Hag who is one of the best European managers but already facing backlash after a single loss. Only if fans can remain supportive to him for a season or two like Barca doing with Xavi, he can turn the wheel of United's fortune.

I'm not trying to call them bad, but they aren't Fergie. He's the type of manager which you can't replace, and I genuinely believe Klopp could be in the same sort of line. Gerrard sounds great, but in reality its probably not going to bridge the gap for too long. Klopp, Fergie they're literally the best managers to ever grace the game, and I guess some could say Pep. I don't think Pep has the same sort of pull that these two have though, and especially hasn't been tested as much as these two. Fergie probably has the best track record out of all the managers in history.

It's the pressure of taking over such a legacy that I think causes subpar performances, and players looking to continue the same success. Basically, anyone is a downgrade on Fergie. I won't call Klopp a downgrade since I absolutely adore the man, definitely my favourite manager to ever manage Liverpool, but I suspect many would think that.

I quite agree the thirst for instant results from these clubs are rather just obnoxious and overly demanding, even Arsenal that weren't doing too good for a number of seasons under Arsene Wenger have found it practically impossible to replace him, but sticking with Arteta seemed to be paying off finally. I wonder how a club will get a coach and have him spend hundreds of millions of dollars in pursuit of his own football ideas but you have no patience enough to trust the process, they sack rinse and repeat the cycle again. Guardiola despite his trophy filled spell at City so far also struggled in his first season at Man City just like Klopp did for years at Liverpool, but it's always evident when there is a change and you can feel the work in progress even when the results aren't all favourable at the get go. If Liverpool hadn't stick with Klopp I doubt they'd have gotten out of their slumber yet.

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Quote from: webtricks on August 11, 2022, 09:22:37 AM

Quote from: Welsh on August 11, 2022, 04:26:52 AM

I genuinely believe its a hangover from a great manager. It's never easy to replace your manager that has basically become part of the furniture. They usually have some stubborn personalities, and usually do it a little different from the norm. Sir Alex Ferguson commanded respect, so he was able to get away with a lot of things that other managers can't. Same as Klopp when we lose Klopp I genuinely believe we'll go into another dip, unless we have another fantastic manager to back him up. There's hope in Klopp's assistant manager, and Gerrard, but we'll have to see.

I wouldn't call managers like Mourinho or Van Gaal bad, these are the best talents you can get for the money in the current market. The bigger problem is the eagerness of the fans and supporters. They want instant result. It took 3 years for Klopp to finally win a trophy at Liverpool. But Man Utd was so accustomed to win titles in Ferguson's era that anything less than that is a bad season for them. Solskjær was doing great but then Ronaldo came and he had to change his plans and it backfired. Now, Tan Hag who is one of the best European managers but already facing backlash after a single loss. Only if fans can remain supportive to him for a season or two like Barca doing with Xavi, he can turn the wheel of United's fortune.

It's an unpopular opinion, but you're correct, and I've always said it, that bringing Ronaldo into the team ruined Ole's fantastic management because every player was forced to play only for him; they were much better together when they played as a team; now, the team is built around Ronaldo, and when he fails to perform, the team suffers..

We have all seen how almost every top manager rejected Ronaldo into their team this season, he was offered to Chelsea but Tuchel rejected the idea despite not having a striker in the team, having Ronaldo would bring a lot of goals but a bigger problem in the long run, his presence always limits the growth of other players, it happened to Benzema at Real Madrid, Dybala at Juventus, and now Rashford. He's a fantastic player, but he limits the ability of those around him. I hope ETH does not repeat the mistake that cost Ole his job.

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Quote from: webtricks on August 11, 2022, 09:22:37 AM

I wouldn't call managers like Mourinho or Van Gaal bad, these are the best talents you can get for the money in the current market. The bigger problem is the eagerness of the fans and supporters. They want instant result. It took 3 years for Klopp to finally win a trophy at Liverpool. But Man Utd was so accustomed to win titles in Ferguson's era that anything less than that is a bad season for them. Solskjær was doing great but then Ronaldo came and he had to change his plans and it backfired. Now, Tan Hag who is one of the best European managers but already facing backlash after a single loss. Only if fans can remain supportive to him for a season or two like Barca doing with Xavi, he can turn the wheel of United's fortune.

I'm not trying to call them bad, but they aren't Fergie. He's the type of manager which you can't replace, and I genuinely believe Klopp could be in the same sort of line. Gerrard sounds great, but in reality its probably not going to bridge the gap for too long. Klopp, Fergie they're literally the best managers to ever grace the game, and I guess some could say Pep. I don't think Pep has the same sort of pull that these two have though, and especially hasn't been tested as much as these two. Fergie probably has the best track record out of all the managers in history.

It's the pressure of taking over such a legacy that I think causes subpar performances, and players looking to continue the same success. Basically, anyone is a downgrade on Fergie. I won't call Klopp a downgrade since I absolutely adore the man, definitely my favourite manager to ever manage Liverpool, but I suspect many would think that.

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Quote from: Welsh on August 11, 2022, 04:26:52 AM

I genuinely believe its a hangover from a great manager. It's never easy to replace your manager that has basically become part of the furniture. They usually have some stubborn personalities, and usually do it a little different from the norm. Sir Alex Ferguson commanded respect, so he was able to get away with a lot of things that other managers can't. Same as Klopp when we lose Klopp I genuinely believe we'll go into another dip, unless we have another fantastic manager to back him up. There's hope in Klopp's assistant manager, and Gerrard, but we'll have to see.

I wouldn't call managers like Mourinho or Van Gaal bad, these are the best talents you can get for the money in the current market. The bigger problem is the eagerness of the fans and supporters. They want instant result. It took 3 years for Klopp to finally win a trophy at Liverpool. But Man Utd was so accustomed to win titles in Ferguson's era that anything less than that is a bad season for them. Solskjær was doing great but then Ronaldo came and he had to change his plans and it backfired. Now, Tan Hag who is one of the best European managers but already facing backlash after a single loss. Only if fans can remain supportive to him for a season or two like Barca doing with Xavi, he can turn the wheel of United's fortune.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 11, 2022, 02:59:33 AM

It was a question that obv didn't need an answer. Lol. But yeah something is deeply wrong with Man United. They learned from Liverpool's demise and did everything they could to avoid the same fate. But 10 years later, here they are... Suffering the same fate. What did they do wrong? It's like they're cursed.

And are you kidding? Ter Stefen dreadful? Even if he could be acquired as a free transfer?

I genuinely believe its a hangover from a great manager. It's never easy to replace your manager that has basically become part of the furniture. They usually have some stubborn personalities, and usually do it a little different from the norm. Sir Alex Ferguson commanded respect, so he was able to get away with a lot of things that other managers can't. Same as Klopp when we lose Klopp I genuinely believe we'll go into another dip, unless we have another fantastic manager to back him up. There's hope in Klopp's assistant manager, and Gerrard, but we'll have to see.

Although, Man United problems do seem to extend to the board, and the fact that certain players don't get on with the board at all. Bringing back Ronaldo was probably one of the worst decisions in hindsight, since he has almost tarnished his reputation with the club. He was their legend, and now there's a bitter sweet taste left in the fans mouths.

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Quote from: Igebotz on August 10, 2022, 10:10:29 AM

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Lol... It's truuue! How managers did Man U hire after Ferguson? How much money was spent on transfers since 2014? A lot!

6 managers since 2013 + £600+m spent on transfer

Quote from: tokeweed on August 10, 2022, 09:12:34 AM

But from De Gea's statement alone, I think that enough for the club to look at which top tier keeper is gonna be a free agent on January... Any guesses?

... Ter Stegen. =]

I'd like to see him play in the EPL and Man United is perfect for him. De Gea seems like he doesn't want to play there anymore. He's been there for more than a decade now.

De Gea is the club's only valuable asset; he is exposed in every game more than any other keeper in the league. Keepers always need a proper DM for protections. Ter Stegen is a dreadful goalkeeper.
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It was a question that obv didn't need an answer. Lol. But yeah something is deeply wrong with Man United. They learned from Liverpool's demise and did everything they could to avoid the same fate. But 10 years later, here they are... Suffering the same fate. What did they do wrong? It's like they're cursed.

And are you kidding? Ter Stefen dreadful? Even if he could be acquired as a free transfer?

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Quote from: Harkorede on August 11, 2022, 01:45:27 AM

Quote from: Trofo on August 11, 2022, 01:12:04 AM

What about Greenwood? I know about all the shit that happened of the pitch but let's forget about it for the moment. I rellay liked him as a player and I was sure he is going to be big star one day. There isn't many players with his nose for a goal, especially while so young. Is he a product of United youth academy?

Man, It's funny how everyone seemed to have moved on and forgot totally about, what a waste of career that'd be if he never gets to play football again. Yes, he grew the ranks from Man Utd after playing for about 2-3 seasons in the junior premier league, and he remind me of young Mbappe of the Monaco era, he's got amazing pace but only with a stronger left foot, even though he could also finish easily with his right. He really would have made quite a name for himself in the league, but could all be I do hope not btw.

Harkorede is right, I completely forgot about him in my post; I'm one of those who wants to see him play football again; I'm not sure if he's guilty or not, but men need to be cautious because the rate of false rape cases on the Internet nowadays is alarming; the women are not joking. Back on topic, Mason Greenwood was my second favorite player in the Manchester United squad after Mata, he's such a badass direct player, he ain't afraid of shit, he takes the ball to you and cuts you off and hits immediately at any slightest chance. He's the Academy's second best player after Rashford, and both players were trusted and promoted to the first team by Jose Mourinho. And it makes you wonder what the other coaches did after him for years, because none of them brought any academy players to the limelight.

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Quote from: Trofo on August 11, 2022, 01:12:04 AM

What about Greenwood? I know about all the shit that happened of the pitch but let's forget about it for the moment. I rellay liked him as a player and I was sure he is going to be big star one day. There isn't many players with his nose for a goal, especially while so young. Is he a product of United youth academy?

Man, It's funny how everyone seemed to have moved on and forgot totally about him, what a waste of career that'd be if he never gets to play football again. Yes, he grew the ranks from Man Utd after playing for about 2-3 seasons in the junior premier league, and he remind me of young Mbappe of the Monaco era, he's got amazing pace but only with a stronger left foot, even though he could also finish easily with his right. He really would have made quite a name for himself in the league, but could all be I do hope not btw.

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Quote from: Igebotz on August 10, 2022, 10:10:29 AM

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one Grin

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

Lol, And he was promoted to the first team rather than loaned out to Crystal Palace? Rashford is the Academy's most notable product since Ferguson's departure; the rest have been championship-level players. If I recall correctly, Elanga was the Academy's most recent product. He's a flop, for sure. Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool are all performing admirably in this regard. Manchester United should invest more in their academy team; Chelsea has spent nearly €30m on academy players since Todd Boehly took over.

What about Greenwood? I know about all the shit that happened of the pitch but let's forget about it for the moment. I rellay liked him as a player and I was sure he is going to be big star one day. There isn't many players with his nose for a goal, especially while so young. Is he a product of United youth academy?

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Quote from: cryptofrka on August 10, 2022, 12:22:33 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on August 10, 2022, 10:10:29 AM

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one Grin

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

Lol, And he was promoted to the first team rather than loaned out to Crystal Palace? Rashford is the Academy's most notable product since Ferguson's departure; the rest have been championship-level players. If I recall correctly, Elanga was the Academy's most recent product. He's a flop, for sure. Chelsea, Arsenal, and Liverpool are all performing admirably in this regard. Manchester United should invest more in their academy team; Chelsea has spent nearly €30m on academy players since Todd Boehly took over.

Quote from: CLS63 on August 10, 2022, 02:39:44 PM

For example Manchester United owe him a lot for last season. Their defense was horrible but De Gea made so many saves to prevent themselves from finishing the season even worse.

He's the only valuable asset at the club.

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Quote from: Igebotz on August 09, 2022, 04:03:01 PM

Degea claimed that the team was cursed! There is more to that statement, and I don't believe he was incorrect. Even the previous coach felt the same way, and it's starting to show: they have a very good squad and a very good squad depth, but they continue to perform below average.

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

The team are really like cursed now indeed. There is no other explanation to this for me now. De Gea even wanted to leave the team in the distant past but he is still moving on here. His role in this team has been incredibly big by the way. For example Manchester United owe him a lot for last season. Their defense was horrible but De Gea made so many saves to prevent themselves from finishing the season even worse.

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Quote from: Igebotz on August 10, 2022, 10:10:29 AM

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Funnily enough, he played as a striker while he was young.
He had 3 goals in 18 youth games, so I guess he wasn't really a good one Grin

He played as a central mid as well - but his primary position is a defensive one. He's tall, strong and not technically the best, so naturally he is better in the defensive part of the game.

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Quote from: darxiaomi on August 09, 2022, 03:29:34 PM

I think its a bad movement for Manchester United, to take in this moment a player like Rabiot, the Manchester needs more blood to play, and Rabiot its a fine player a Arsenal kind player.

I really want to Macnhester united to be in the fight again but seems hard.

I think Rabiot would be a good addition the Manchester United midfield and that is the kind of player i think they need. Their midfield is really weak especially the defending midfielders so Rabiot would be a nice addition to maybe improve the game

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Quote from: cryptofrka on August 10, 2022, 07:08:37 AM

Nobody is questioning McTominay's work rate. That is basically the only thing he's got going for him.

A lot of people are questioning his technique and general football ability. If you ask me - rightly so, because he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter in a team that wants to be winning trophies.

Yes, you are correct about his technique, and I doubt he would be a starter in any of the top six clubs right now, but what do you expect from a club that lacks a proper DM? McTom is nothing more than a squad depth player. I'm not sure, but I've always liked him; he's fearless and bold, and he has a good long-range shot. Is he a natural DM? Or he was converted

Quote from: tokeweed on August 10, 2022, 09:12:34 AM

Lol... It's truuue! How managers did Man U hire after Ferguson? How much money was spent on transfers since 2014? A lot!

6 managers since 2013 + £600+m spent on transfer

Quote from: tokeweed on August 10, 2022, 09:12:34 AM

But from De Gea's statement alone, I think that enough for the club to look at which top tier keeper is gonna be a free agent on January... Any guesses?

... Ter Stegen. =]

I'd like to see him play in the EPL and Man United is perfect for him. De Gea seems like he doesn't want to play there anymore. He's been there for more than a decade now.

De Gea is the club's only valuable asset; he is exposed in every game more than any other keeper in the league. Keepers always need a proper DM for protections. Ter Stegen is a dreadful goalkeeper.
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De Gea its a class A goalkeeper but, the main problem with him is he made some big mistakes in a really bad time, but in the other hand he has saved Manchester United this last year a lot of time, not only of lose, also saving they from shamefull loses, i remember one game against City, the game can end much worse if De Gea doesnt saves a lot of goals.

I really like if he come back to Atletico Madrid.

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I think they have a lot of prospect and would perform better than they did last season, there just still seem to be some missing pieces for them to put together, especially in the attack, the midfield was quite okay imo, but they need explosive attackers on the flanks.

They have a really decent squad actually. I still don't understand what is wrong with this team currently. I thought that it was related to especially Solskjaer's management style. But it turns out that the same problems are continuing for them.

They are about to complete another signing who is Adrien Rabiot. They needed to fill the place being emptied by Pogba and they have gone for Rabiot. I wonder what Ronaldo is thinking about this move as he worked with him at Juventus. I think this move is nice but they just need to focus on the source of this worrying problem above all else.

Degea claimed that the team was cursed! There is more to that statement, and I don't believe he was incorrect. Even the previous coach felt the same way, and it's starting to show: they have a very good squad and a very good squad depth, but they continue to perform below average.

Manchester United's problem is a proper DM who can cover up spaces and bring energy to the game; Rabiot can DM as well, but he's not that guy. Fred's conversion to DM isn't working because he's spent his entire life playing the attacking role before joining Manchester United. Something is wrong with the team when the goalkeeper is the best player in every game. They need Ndidi or Rice in that position..

Lol... It's truuue! How managers did Man U hire after Ferguson? How much money was spent on transfers since 2014? A lot! But from De Gea's statement alone, I think that enough for the club to look at which top tier keeper is gonna be a free agent on January... Any guesses?

... Ter Stegen. =]

I'd like to see him play in the EPL and Man United is perfect for him. De Gea seems like he doesn't want to play there anymore. He's been there for more than a decade now.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 09, 2022, 05:29:55 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on August 09, 2022, 05:01:54 PM

Mc.Tom has a great work rate, his only issue is his passing vision, he offers more without the ball at his feet, he does the dirty work, but his composure and passing vision are poor

Yeah I think he is pretty underrated because he is playing in Manchester United and would be considered so much better with that work rate in some other teams. Kinda like being over shadowed by the fact that the team keep on losing ever since last season and even when the team win, he will not be the player that will hog the spotlight.

Maybe he is underrated but just because the team keep losing in a consistent way since last year to me says a lot.If this player was as good as anyone else thinks (I also think he is great) then he should have been decisive in certain games and the team would have won these certain games,this is just my opinion though and maybe it is wrong.I agree though maybe if he were at a team who keeps winning then he would have been way more rated than it is now at Manchester United.

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Nobody is questioning McTominay's work rate. That is basically the only thing he's got going for him.

A lot of people are questioning his technique and general football ability. If you ask me - rightly so, because he is nowhere near good enough to be a starter in a team that wants to be winning trophies.

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Quote from: Igebotz on August 09, 2022, 05:01:54 PM

Mc.Tom has a great work rate, his only issue is his passing vision, he offers more without the ball at his feet, he does the dirty work, but his composure and passing vision are poor

Yeah I think he is pretty underrated because he is playing in Manchester United and would be considered so much better with that work rate in some other teams. Kinda like being over shadowed by the fact that the team keep on losing ever since last season and even when the team win, he will not be the player that will hog the spotlight.

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