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Quote from: ajiz138 on January 10, 2025, 03:54:41 PM

David Moyes has signed a contract until 2027 with Everton. https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1877816983254683732
So David Moyes will return to Everton again instead of Jose Mourinho again, finally now know who will handle Everton to avoid the relegation zone.

Thanks man, that is some fresh news.
I think he is a better choice for Everton at the moment, and I think bookies gave him best chance to sign in that Sun article I posted.
He is not going to have easy ride at Everton and he needs to hire more good players to keep the team in Premier League.

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Quote from: notblox1 on January 10, 2025, 03:42:17 PM

Did you heard the rumors about Jose Mourinho potential return to Premier League as a new Everton manager?
I dont think he can fix poor Everton this season and his only mission would be to save them from getting relegated to Championship.
Another name being mentioned is David Moyes, and we are going to find out who it is very soon.
Some bookmakers have odds for next Everton manager: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32681599/everton-next-manager-latest-odds/

David Moyes has signed a contract until 2027 with Everton. https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1877816983254683732
So David Moyes will return to Everton again instead of Jose Mourinho again, finally now know who will handle Everton to avoid the relegation zone.

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Did you heard the rumors about Jose Mourinho potential return to Premier League as a new Everton manager?
I dont think he can fix poor Everton this season and his only mission would be to save them from getting relegated to Championship.
Another name being mentioned is David Moyes, and we are going to find out who it is very soon.
Some bookmakers have odds for next Everton manager: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/32681599/everton-next-manager-latest-odds/

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 10, 2025, 02:44:06 AM

Why are Arsenal and Tottenham fans usually...

Now I really take offense, do not put us and spursy in the same bracket ever, I prefer the Stoke comparison

Quote from: slaman29 on January 10, 2025, 08:03:41 AM

At least Liverpool fans were noisy even when they weren't winning anything lol

Liverpool fans may have license to be noisy anytime, they have been super successful in multiple eras.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 10, 2025, 01:37:33 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on January 10, 2025, 01:19:25 PM

Klopp only spent 37% less than Pep's total spent- it wasn't that big of a gap as the media made us believe at first

The difference was net spend bro, seriously look into it if you can be bothered. For example Van Dijk for £75,000,000 and Alisson for £65,000,000 were game changers. We only got them though because somehow we scammed Barcelona into paying £142,000,000 for Coutinho.

We are the brokest acting big club in Europe. Every year we are top 5 or 6 for income but we never ever improve the playing staff enough. I mean look now, we are 6 points clear with a game in hand. Any other big club would make a couple of signings to get themselves over the line. I almost guarantee we do nothing.

Yes netSpend is credit to the recruiting team and not to the manager. The club did fantastic business with their outgoing but it wasn't because of Klopp. Grin

I was only pointing at the total amount both managers spent and not the business club did to cover up those expenses.

Both VVD and Allison fees at that time were record breaking deals in the league. I won't be surprised If Liverpool go into the market again and get another €100m player, I don't buy the idea of them trying to act poor.

The way they tried to bully us on both Enzo and Caciedo deals was crazy - you guys are pretty rich Grin

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 10, 2025, 01:19:25 PM

Klopp only spent 37% less than Pep's total spent- it wasn't that big of a gap as the media made us believe at first

The difference was net spend bro, seriously look into it if you can be bothered. For example Van Dijk for £75,000,000 and Alisson for £65,000,000 were game changers. We only got them though because somehow we scammed Barcelona into paying £142,000,000 for Coutinho.

We are the brokest acting big club in Europe. Every year we are top 5 or 6 for income but we never ever improve the playing staff enough. I mean look now, we are 6 points clear with a game in hand. Any other big club would make a couple of signings to get themselves over the line. I almost guarantee we do nothing.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 10, 2025, 12:57:23 PM

Regarding Klopp he is a true legend for what he achieved at the club. We were a total mess when he took over, he made us the best team in Europe for a short while. If he had Pep’s chequebook he’d have an even bigger legacy but that’s what made him so great, he didn’t need unlimited funds.

Liverpool under FSG do not spend like City, Man Utd, Chelsea, even Arsenal. It annoys me at times, our owners are cheapskates. We could be so much more successful with more generous owners. I mean we haven’t signed a proper starting XI player since summer 2023.

Klopp only spent 37% less than Pep's total spent- it wasn't that big of a gap as the media made us believe at first

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The one thing that annoyed me with Klopp is he left with one year left on his contract. He wasn’t sacked, he walked away, I thought that was a bit cruel. Luckily we landed with Slot who looks good but Klopp didn’t care, he just left. He said he was tired and needed time off, yet he is already back in work. It leaves a slightly sour taste.

The way he left, his last comment about wanting to rest and the way he quickly took the Redbull job, I'm thinking the Redbull offer was already on his table a long time ago. The pay cheque got topped up and he couldn't resist it. Won't blame any Liverpool fans if he got added to the "Snake" book in the future.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on January 10, 2025, 12:57:23 PM

Regarding Klopp he is a true legend for what he achieved at the club. We were a total mess when he took over, he made us the best team in Europe for a short while. If he had Pep’s chequebook he’d have an even bigger legacy but that’s what made him so great, he didn’t need unlimited funds.

Liverpool under FSG do not spend like City, Man Utd, Chelsea, even Arsenal. It annoys me at times, our owners are cheapskates. We could be so much more successful with more generous owners. I mean we haven’t signed a proper starting XI player since summer 2023.

The one thing that annoyed me with Klopp is he left with one year left on his contract. He wasn’t sacked, he walked away, I thought that was a bit cruel. Luckily we landed with Slot who looks good but Klopp didn’t care, he just left. He said he was tired and needed time off, yet he is already back in work. It leaves a slightly sour taste.

Not the same type of work now, is it?
I think we need to be more fair to Klopp, I feel like the club let him down. Yeah, maybe he was tough to work with, but there was too much pressure on him.

He knew the situation that was about to happen with contracts, he didn't have Edwards or Ward, just Schmadtke instead of Hughes.
Was it Klopp that forced Ward and Edwards to leave - we'll never know. But the amount of work that needed to be done in areas other than management would have all ended up in Klopp's hands.

After he left you saw that the club brought both Edwards and Ward back, and they are dealing with the contractual mess now. I think Klopp was really fair, said 'fuck it fellas, this isn't really my strong area and I don't want to discuss contracts with players' and gave us plenty of time to put the pieces back together - which we did.

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Regarding Klopp he is a true legend for what he achieved at the club. We were a total mess when he took over, he made us the best team in Europe for a short while. If he had Pep’s chequebook he’d have an even bigger legacy but that’s what made him so great, he didn’t need unlimited funds.

Liverpool under FSG do not spend like City, Man Utd, Chelsea, even Arsenal. It annoys me at times, our owners are cheapskates. We could be so much more successful with more generous owners. I mean we haven’t signed a proper starting XI player since summer 2023.

The one thing that annoyed me with Klopp is he left with one year left on his contract. He wasn’t sacked, he walked away, I thought that was a bit cruel. Luckily we landed with Slot who looks good but Klopp didn’t care, he just left. He said he was tired and needed time off, yet he is already back in work. It leaves a slightly sour taste.

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Quote from: slaman29 on January 10, 2025, 08:03:41 AM

I love this banter. Chelsea vs Arsenal, and super fitting since you guys are supposedly the rivals for top 4. Where are Liverpool fans trashing Manchester United? In my office 10 years ago that was all it was about but all the Red Devil fans are so quiet now. At least Liverpool fans were noisy even when they weren't winning anything lol

If I were an Arsenal fan, I would never talk to clubs that have won the Champions League

I live in a City of more than 2m population and I've only come across Liverpool fans only few times in ages. They are the least supported Top 4 clubs in Nigeria and Africa- win or lose we don't get to hear noise.

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Not only that, he joined Red Bull. All the Dortmund fans were showing him the finger for this. I don't know why no Liverpool fan was upset, but I guess its because in Germany you have Red Bull teams unfairly competing in the league.

He was a liar, but who cares? He brought them success and left on a positive note. He deserves all of Liverpool's love and all of Dortmund's hatred for breaking their trust.

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I love this banter. Chelsea vs Arsenal, and super fitting since you guys are supposedly the rivals for top 4. Where are Liverpool fans trashing Manchester United? In my office 10 years ago that was all it was about but all the Red Devil fans are so quiet now. At least Liverpool fans were noisy even when they weren't winning anything lol

Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 11:23:10 AM

Klopp was the most dishonest manager of his era; he complained about other clubs' expenses while spending more and signing every top player on the market.

Not only that, he joined Red Bull. All the Dortmund fans were showing him the finger for this. I don't know why no Liverpool fan was upset, but I guess its because in Germany you have Red Bull teams unfairly competing in the league.

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Quote from: Joca97 on January 09, 2025, 06:48:25 PM

Arsenal needs to act now fast in the transfer window and get a replacement for Saka. He gets injured too many times and he needs to heal fully. So a good player is needed that can make a difference like Saka did. We can see the effect when Saka isnt playing. Arsenal drops points and if they continue like this they wont be able to try and get the title or even try and compete for it.

No vision, no good recruitment team and Arteta talent ID is literally low for a manager in a top team ( looking at his recent recruitments)

Quote from: un_rank on January 10, 2025, 01:30:08 AM

Arguing football with supporters of a club that hasn't won a major trophy in a long time is stressful. Why are Arsenal and Tottenham fans usually this way? I've talked football with a number of them on podcasts, and they're always the same. Grin

"Trying watching the game"I bet you haven't seen the game for more than two decades. I have, and I still watch an average of 5-6 games per week. That isn't for me.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 04:26:09 PM

Yes he does.... The team depends on his dark art set pieces - put him in a more active position on the sidelines.

Slow down your thought process so you have time to process it. You are saying a "set piece" coach getting excited when the team has a set piece and giving instructions means the team depends on dark art set pieces. Also you are suggesting we put our "set piece" coach to more active positions, more active than his actual job?

Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 04:26:09 PM

Doesn't change the fact that your team plays haram football and most Arsenal corner kicks comes from the RWF side. You may want to take a look at Saka heat map this season - bro hasn't step a foot into the middle. The haram football is killing him.

It changes the fact. You need to watch games to comment on them, do not just regurgitate banter and watch football through heatmaps. Look at Cole Palmer's heat map, what does that suggest?
Try watching games man.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 04:26:09 PM

Rice is a natural CDM, pushing him to CMF to accommodate Partey does not change anything - go and look at his heat map this season.

Again with the heat map Roll Eyes

Rice can play as a CMF as well as he can do as a CDM. We have been using him in that position since the middle of last season and he does it brilliantly, getting a few goals too. He has been out of form this season, that does not dispute his quality or versatility.

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Riccardo Calafiori, Saliba, White, Gabriel, Partey and Rice (7) in your average starting Eleven this season. Com'on bro... This is pure Haram.

Riccardo is a different player from Calafiori? Or how else did you arrive at 7? Huh

But even to accommodate your argument, you are suggesting we put them in to score from corners, when neither Partey or Rice are prolific headers of the ball, anyone in that position can fill their spot in the box. Merino is even taller than both.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 06:04:36 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on January 09, 2025, 05:20:32 PM

^^ forget setpieces. Klopp brought in a throw-in specialists (I believe we were the first several seasons ago) and it was derided, but I agree. Modern football has long ignored many aspects of the game. How you take a throw-in is so important, awareness and off the ball movements and no offside rule are big things there. Brentford hats off focused on kickoffs, the most benign aspect of the game. These have traditionally been interruptors of flow but played well, they improve football's natural flow.

Anyway, I'm saying "f it" for the next fixtures and put in 3 huge upsets. Odds-wise, anyway.

Missed the dark art era BTW glad they're coming back to modem football.

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Agreed. They just didn't have any spine or ruthlessness, so I guess Arteta's dark arts team is what the Goons prefer. Hope he does more to protect Saka's hammie though... that thing, if not taken care of, ruins years.

Saka hamstrings is reoccurring more than usual now, he's gradually becoming our James - said it more times that he needs protection and Arteta is not helping the kid. It's been more than 2 good summer and no single RWF backup to help reduce Saka's minutes.

We made the same mistake with R. James, we used all the juice in him until his legs turned to glass, same way we also ruined Kante's leg before we sold him..

Arsenal needs to act now fast in the transfer window and get a replacement for Saka. He gets injured too many times and he needs to heal fully. So a good player is needed that can make a difference like Saka did. We can see the effect when Saka isnt playing. Arsenal drops points and if they continue like this they wont be able to try and get the title or even try and compete for it.

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Quote from: buwaytress on January 09, 2025, 05:20:32 PM

^^ forget setpieces. Klopp brought in a throw-in specialists (I believe we were the first several seasons ago) and it was derided, but I agree. Modern football has long ignored many aspects of the game. How you take a throw-in is so important, awareness and off the ball movements and no offside rule are big things there. Brentford hats off focused on kickoffs, the most benign aspect of the game. These have traditionally been interruptors of flow but played well, they improve football's natural flow.

Anyway, I'm saying "f it" for the next fixtures and put in 3 huge upsets. Odds-wise, anyway.

Missed the dark art era BTW glad they're coming back to modem football.

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Agreed. They just didn't have any spine or ruthlessness, so I guess Arteta's dark arts team is what the Goons prefer. Hope he does more to protect Saka's hammie though... that thing, if not taken care of, ruins years.

Saka hamstrings is reoccurring more than usual now, he's gradually becoming our James - said it more times that he needs protection and Arteta is not helping the kid. It's been more than 2 good summer and no single RWF backup to help reduce Saka's minutes.

We made the same mistake with R. James, we used all the juice in him until his legs turned to glass, same way we also ruined Kante's leg before we sold him..

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^^ forget setpieces. Klopp brought in a throw-in specialists (I believe we were the first several seasons ago) and it was derided, but I agree. Modern football has long ignored many aspects of the game. How you take a throw-in is so important, awareness and off the ball movements and no offside rule are big things there. Brentford hats off focused on kickoffs, the most benign aspect of the game. These have traditionally been interruptors of flow but played well, they improve football's natural flow.

Anyway, I'm saying "f it" for the next fixtures and put in 3 huge upsets. Odds-wise, anyway.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 11:23:10 AM

Lacazette/Aubu and Ozil combo under Emery were exciting to watch and better than any version of Arteta era. The current squad only Saka and Odegaard are exciting to watch.

Agreed. They just didn't have any spine or ruthlessness, so I guess Arteta's dark arts team is what the Goons prefer. Hope he does more to protect Saka's hammie though... that thing, if not taken care of, ruins years.

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Quote from: un_rank on January 09, 2025, 02:47:57 PM

No he does not, but even if he did, how is that an issue? A set piece coach being passionate about his job is something to appreciate, it is 100% of why he is at the club
That Stoke narrative is just ridiculous, I am surprised I am seeing it on a thread like this.

Yes he does.... The team depends on his dark art set pieces - put him in a more active position on the sidelines.

Did you not watch the Stoke and West Brom football eras? Playing shit and taking advantage of every set-piece opportunity to win games- similar to Arsenal play this season.

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Try watching actual games.

Doesn't change the fact that your team plays haram football and most Arsenal corner kicks comes from the RWF side. You may want to take a look at Saka heat map this season - bro hasn't step a foot into the middle. The haram football is killing him.

We played our biggest Haram football under Tuchel but it wasn't this bad but we won trophies to shut everyone up Grin

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Timber, Saliba and White are defenders, Partey is our CDM, Rice is our CMF when Partey is on the pitch but can play as a CDM if the need requires. What are you on about? Huh

Rice is a natural CDM, pushing him to CMF to accommodate Partey does not change anything - go and look at his heat map this season.

Riccardo Calafiori, Saliba, White, Gabriel, Partey and Rice (7) in your average starting Eleven this season. Com'on bro... This is pure Haram. Huh

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 11:23:10 AM

Yes, but no other team's set piece coach run to the touchline to instruct players on every corner, like the Arsenal set-piece coach does. Stoke City framework.

No he does not, but even if he did, how is that an issue? A set piece coach being passionate about his job is something to appreciate, it is 100% of why he is at the club
That Stoke narrative is just ridiculous, I am surprised I am seeing it on a thread like this.

Quote from: Igebotz on January 09, 2025, 11:23:10 AM

I like Saka, but his game this season has been all about getting a corner since the entire team depends on it.

Try watching actual games.

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Timber, White, Saliba, Rice, and Partey are all natural defensive players.

Timber, Saliba and White are defenders, Partey is our CDM, Rice is our CMF when Partey is on the pitch but can play as a CDM if the need requires. What are you on about? Huh

I can also say Chelsea starts with 4 defenders and 2 defensive players (like you call it) in Caicedo and Enzo, but I do not know why I should need to, that is what almost every club does.
Except you have a Rodri in your team, you use a double pivot with 2 midfielders that have defensive abilities. Newcastle used to play just Bruno, but they now pair him with Tonali.

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Quote from: buwaytress on January 08, 2025, 05:35:54 PM

^ I only say this with truly biased and unmeasured opinion, as I don't watch every Arsenal game, and certainly not so much this season, but Lacazette/Auba were very exciting in sporadic bursts. Saka is lovely and Martinelli as well, but yeah, seems like lopsided without the requisite central flow to polish things off.

Lacazette/Aubu and Ozil combo under Emery were exciting to watch and better than any version of Arteta era. The current squad only Saka and Odegaard are exciting to watch.

Quote from: un_rank on January 09, 2025, 05:44:46 AM

I actually dislike this narrative. Every team now has a set-piece coach and try to utilize the set pieces they have, this is the exact thing we do just with more success than most. Arsenal does not play for corners, in-fact we only get corners when we are on the front foot in a match and try to score from every set piece as all clubs do.

Yes, but no other team's set piece coach run to the touchline to instruct players on every corner, like the Arsenal set-piece coach does. Stoke City framework.

I like Saka, but his game this season has been all about getting a corner since the entire team depends on it. Every time he gets the ball, he dashes towards the corner line, hoping to beat the player or get a corner. Saka was known for cutting and shooting from the edge of the box last season, but that is no longer the case. Timber, White, Saliba, Rice, and Partey are all natural defensive players.

Quote from: slaman29 on January 09, 2025, 06:09:55 AM

Yeah I remember Klopp used to say Liverpool don't have the money, and then boom they splashed on Nunez. They used to be one of the more effective salary payers but I have a feeling if a club is owned by Americans eventually they follow the market, and then themselves set the market.

Klopp was the most dishonest manager of his era; he complained about other clubs' expenses while spending more and signing every top player on the market.

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Quote from: Igebotz on January 08, 2025, 02:53:32 PM

True, we have certain deadwoods who continue to receive hefty salaries despite doing nothing, and some who play for other teams (Sterling and others) while still receiving payments from us. Our previous recruitment team, Marina and Cech, left us with some liabilities.

In reality, most Liverpool players deserve to earn more than most of our players, without a doubt, but Liverpool are making 300k/week looks like average salary now which is not really good for the future.

Yeah I remember Klopp used to say Liverpool don't have the money, and then boom they splashed on Nunez. They used to be one of the more effective salary payers but I have a feeling if a club is owned by Americans eventually they follow the market, and then themselves set the market.

I can't talk much tho, we paid crazy money for Coutinho to kinda start the whole thing lol

Quote from: un_rank on January 09, 2025, 05:44:46 AM

I actually dislike this narrative. Every team now has a set-piece coach and try to utilize the set pieces they have, this is the exact thing we do just with more success than most. Arsenal does not play for corners, in-fact we only get corners when we are on the front foot in a match and try to score from every set piece as all clubs do. Another team who are very inventive with their set pieces is Villa, I like watching them come up with creative ways to score.

I agree. Setpieces are a part of football and the most overlooked way. Modern football must take corners and freekicks more seriously. Used to be just put it in and hope it gets somewhere but I personally find it exciting to make something out of it.

Honestly even Brentford is more exciting just because they did something special with kickoffs!!

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