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Quote from: Igebotz on October 30, 2024, 09:26:25 AM

Today is Wednesday, Amorim hasn't travelled yet; there isn't enough time for him to take care of the game against Chelsea; he will most likely be in the stands this weekend.

We are waiting for official confirmation, but latest news from Premier League are saying that Manchester United hired a new manager Ruben Amorim from Sporting, after they finally kicked out Erik ten Hag.
I dont know if this news affected Man United players but they destroyed Leicester in EFL Carabo cup with 5:2 result, and with van Nistelrooy as the coach.

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Quote from: slaman29 on October 30, 2024, 04:19:01 AM

Van Gaal, Mourinho, etc. If you look at their averages, it is not very different from ETH. He is the easy scapegoat but your club structure is what is the most responsible for this mess, and your ownership finances.

I think ETH was given longer time than either Van Gaal or Mou before being sacked, he was actually the one constantly looking for which player to put on the chopping block, first Ronaldo and then Sancho.
Ruud van Nistelrooy is doing well in his first official match as manager, United is seeing out Leicester in the EFL cup.

Quote from: slaman29 on October 30, 2024, 04:19:01 AM

Same as my club Barca. They fired Xavi and Flick is amazing, but people forgot Xavi already won La Liga with us, already reversed our results vs Real Madrid, already brought us back Supercopa in first season. But we forgot, we didn't fix the rotten structure and it cost us eventually.

The times I watched Barca under Xavi they did not look to be moving forward as a team, they did not have the identity they as a club have always had. Flick does not need trophies to show he has a plan for the club, under a few weeks the identity he is building is showing up and bringing results.

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Quote from: arallmuus on October 29, 2024, 01:30:00 PM

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No this is nothing to do with keeping him, this is something to do with stopping the crazy madness of: -hiring expensive managers on expensive contract. -hiring expensive players on expensive contract. -allowing the owners to keep taking profit and debt high

Van Gaal, Mourinho, etc. If you look at their averages, it is not very different from ETH. He is the easy scapegoat but your club structure is what is the most responsible for this mess, and your ownership finances.

Same as my club Barca. They fired Xavi and Flick is amazing, but people forgot Xavi already won La Liga with us, already reversed our results vs Real Madrid, already brought us back Supercopa in first season. But we forgot, we didn't fix the rotten structure and it cost us eventually.

Everything is a mess when a club is not performing as their past standard but its logical that every clubs wants the best coach and players they can get their hands on. Its just a matter of fact that signing all those top tiers talent is not working out for us. Everyone point their fingers to another guy when things are not working out and yeah ETH seems to be the most logical options to take the blame atleast for now

As for Ruben, statistically he is a beast with Sporting CP but EPL is just a different field compared to Liga Portugal. Around 28 games to be played, top 5 probably would be his least target for the season set by the board

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Quote from: CryptopreneurBrainboss on October 30, 2024, 04:19:38 AM

I don't think the settlements was the major reason why they kept him around, he was already rumoured to leave by the ending of last season but things changed when he gave Man U the FA cup especially as it was against Man city and got the Europa spot from Chelsea. The settlement was never a problem, man U aren't in any financial crisis, they got funds to spend. I bet they'll
be spending too in January, Amorim would want some of his own picks especially a striker.

Having second thoughts about Sunday game, they (Man U) got that new manager factor don't forget and we aren't always lucky at Old Trafford.

Yes, they have the money, but with so many debts and so many players on high salaries, there will be more outgoing and incoming in January for them. He would need to clean up before building what he wants.

Today is Wednesday, Amorim hasn't travelled yet; there isn't enough time for him to take care of the game against Chelsea; he will most likely be in the stands this weekend.

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Quote from: Igebotz on October 29, 2024, 11:10:18 AM

€15m as compensation to Erik, €10m to Sporting for exit clause + Amorim contract agreement not mentioned. Now you understand why they clung to Erik for so long, expecting things would improve. INEOS must be regretting their investment decision; they can't seem to get a break, from patching the stadium leakage to building walls around the training facilities, to paying Yoro, Mount and Shaw's never-ending hospital bills, to hiring premium manager.

I don't think the settlements was the major reason why they kept him around, he was already rumoured to leave by the ending of last season but things changed when he gave Man U the FA cup especially as it was against Man city and got the Europa spot from Chelsea. The settlement was never a problem, man U aren't in any financial crisis, they got funds to spend. I bet they'll
be spending too in January, Amorim would want some of his own picks especially a striker.

Having second thoughts about Sunday game, they (Man U) got that new manager factor don't forget and we aren't always lucky at Old Trafford.

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Quote from: arallmuus on October 29, 2024, 01:30:00 PM

Quote from: slaman29 on October 29, 2024, 06:37:26 AM

I hope they pay super premium, and pay even more conditions and things people have unheard off.

Then they sign him long term, and he comes in and buys more big players.

This club seems not to teach other clubs that money cannot buy success, coaches the same, the club structure has to change but I want them to teach even harder.

So what do you propose they do? Keeping him there so the other EPL teams could get easy 3 points from us? The fans hate him, players probably fed up with him as well so keeping him there wont really make any difference for now. ETH was actually spotted leaving the building alone, there was no players that walked alongside him or giving him the last respect as their managers so yeah there is no reason to keep him there anymore.

No this is nothing to do with keeping him, this is something to do with stopping the crazy madness of: -hiring expensive managers on expensive contract. -hiring expensive players on expensive contract. -allowing the owners to keep taking profit and debt high

Van Gaal, Mourinho, etc. If you look at their averages, it is not very different from ETH. He is the easy scapegoat but your club structure is what is the most responsible for this mess, and your ownership finances.

Same as my club Barca. They fired Xavi and Flick is amazing, but people forgot Xavi already won La Liga with us, already reversed our results vs Real Madrid, already brought us back Supercopa in first season. But we forgot, we didn't fix the rotten structure and it cost us eventually.

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Quote from: un_rank on October 29, 2024, 12:20:36 PM

Another mid season manager change with no chance to buy their style of players, really want to see how he performs.

Let's see if Amorim can pull a "Sam Allardyce" in a short while before the January transfer window and stay up. Maybe they could have trusted Michael carrick more and give him enough time, he lost only a game while he was interim. They thought he was inexperienced.

Quote from: arallmuus on October 29, 2024, 01:30:00 PM

No, he was part of ETH team so either way we are almost at the bottom so there is only one way up. He might not be the perfect solution for now but atleast sacking ETH gives some fresh air

Looks like he might be the fastest interim to lose a job, a deal with Amorim took place today, the club is pushing to making sure he's with the team before Chelsea game.

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Quote from: Igebotz on October 28, 2024, 10:39:59 AM

Can RVN do it?

No, he was part of ETH team so either way we are almost at the bottom so there is only one way up. He might not be the perfect solution for now but atleast sacking ETH gives some fresh air

Quote from: slaman29 on October 29, 2024, 06:37:26 AM

I hope they pay super premium, and pay even more conditions and things people have unheard off.

Then they sign him long term, and he comes in and buys more big players.

This club seems not to teach other clubs that money cannot buy success, coaches the same, the club structure has to change but I want them to teach even harder.

So what do you propose they do? Keeping him there so the other EPL teams could get easy 3 points from us? The fans hate him, players probably fed up with him as well so keeping him there wont really make any difference for now. ETH was actually spotted leaving the building alone, there was no players that walked alongside him or giving him the last respect as their managers so yeah there is no reason to keep him there anymore.

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on October 29, 2024, 12:33:20 PM

And against Chelsea he will take charge at Old Trafford.

That will be a baptism fire, especially playing at home. I have made my preliminary predictions for next week, but if this deal goes through before then, I may make some changes to my pick for this match.

Quote from: BABY SHOES on October 29, 2024, 12:33:20 PM

Only 2 FA trophies won by ETH, is it not that bad? I don't think ETH has a chance anymore.

It would not matter if it were 5. The style of play each week was nothing close to what United will expect or want to get used to or impressed by. He has been walking on thin ice and stayed this long for lack of better options.

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Quote from: un_rank on October 29, 2024, 12:20:36 PM

Quote from: Igebotz on October 28, 2024, 10:39:59 AM

Ruud Van Nistelrooy as interim, do they even know what they're doing? Sacking without making out plans. Can RVN do it?

Manchester United always use an interim after just sacking a coach. I do not think they have ever had a manager ready when sacking one and they have changed managers a lot of time during the season.

United gave ETH lots of room to perform and backed him up in transfers. They may have institutional problems but I have seen good coaches work in such a system and make the club tick, ETH has failed in all those counts and kept holding on to the trophies won almost as a proof that he had not been so bad.

Another mid season manager change with no chance to buy their style of players, really want to see how he performs.

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As of this week Manchester United will soon get a new coach, the exit clause from Sporting has been agreed, meaning Manchester United will immediately accelerate the Ruben Amorin process.
And against Chelsea he will take charge at Old Trafford.

Only 2 FA trophies won by ETH, is it not that bad? I don't think ETH has a chance anymore.

I saw a picture on the news that he left without anyone accompanying him... No gratitude to ETH. Sad

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Quote from: Igebotz on October 28, 2024, 10:39:59 AM

Ruud Van Nistelrooy as interim, do they even know what they're doing? Sacking without making out plans. Can RVN do it?

Manchester United always use an interim after just sacking a coach. I do not think they have ever had a manager ready when sacking one and they have changed managers a lot of time during the season.

United gave ETH lots of room to perform and backed him up in transfers. They may have institutional problems but I have seen good coaches work in such a system and make the club tick, ETH has failed in all those counts and kept holding on to the trophies won almost as a proof that he had not been so bad.

Another mid season manager change with no chance to buy their style of players, really want to see how he performs.

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Congrats to (myself) for winning the Round 9 Yellow Cap

Congratulations, jeremypwr! Also, with this Yellow Cap win, you managed to climb 11 spots on the leaderboard, that's really amazing. So far this season, I haven’t managed to win a Yellow Cap in any of the football pools I've joined. Maybe you can give me some tips sometime. Roll Eyes

Still early in the pool and this is a main example of how one good week can push you into the paying positions and back into the game. Just a little luck and good picks you get a yellow cap and good position. I didnt have much luck lately in the last couple of rounds all goals conceded in last minutes to drop all points but still move up into top 10 so getting closer and closer to the top. Still mad that i was second last season so really want that first place this season.
Still congrats to jeremypwr on a good week.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 29, 2024, 03:29:05 AM

I heard they will pay premium for Amorim.
Studied him a bit when he was on the LFC radar, didn't see anything that great in him.

Anyway, although Ten Hag wasn't doing a good job, United's problems start above the head coach. Whoever they bring, they will face the same issues.

€15m as compensation to Erik, €10m to Sporting for exit clause + Amorim contract agreement not mentioned. Now you understand why they clung to Erik for so long, expecting things would improve. INEOS must be regretting their investment decision; they can't seem to get a break, from patching the stadium leakage to building walls around the training facilities, to paying Yoro, Mount and Shaw's never-ending hospital bills, to hiring premium manager.

I don't know much about this Amorim dude, but he was once linked to us; he could be managing the game against Chelsea this weekend. I feel sorry for him already.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on October 29, 2024, 03:29:05 AM

I heard they will pay premium for Amorim.
Studied him a bit when he was on the LFC radar, didn't see anything that great in him.

Anyway, although Ten Hag wasn't doing a good job, United's problems start above the head coach. Whoever they bring, they will face the same issues.

I hope they pay super premium, and pay even more conditions and things people have unheard off.

Then they sign him long term, and he comes in and buys more big players.

This club seems not to teach other clubs that money cannot buy success, coaches the same, the club structure has to change but I want them to teach even harder.

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I heard they will pay premium for Amorim.
Studied him a bit when he was on the LFC radar, didn't see anything that great in him.

Anyway, although Ten Hag wasn't doing a good job, United's problems start above the head coach. Whoever they bring, they will face the same issues.

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Quote from: ajiz138 on October 28, 2024, 06:29:50 AM

Xavi is sticking out as a replacement, in Xavi's wife's IG instastory that his son is wearing a Man United jersey, is this a sign?

One of the best options on the market right now and a good chance for him to feel the league, one day he's gonna manage a premier club but manutd? I don't know. Lol

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Who else is actually very sad about the end of ETH? Now we all lose opportunities of good/free money betting against United. I pray the new manager comes in and discovers new expensive talents who will bloat the team even further.

Needed that ETH ball against Palmer and Jackson next week, danm it we're so unlucky. Ruud Van Nistelrooy as interim, do they even know what they're doing? Sacking without making out plans. Can RVN do it?

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Quote from: jeremypwr on October 27, 2024, 07:26:00 PM

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Who else is actually very sad about the end of ETH? Now we all lose opportunities of good/free money betting against United. I pray the new manager comes in and discovers new expensive talents who will bloat the team even further.

Quote from: Igebotz on October 27, 2024, 04:05:23 PM

The moment Arteta mentioned that Saka trained with the rest of the team but needs more assessments, I knew he was going to start.. no single Manchester United fan in this pool???

Yeah, he fooled me badly. Actually sold him in my FPL, wasting free transfers. And I thought it was hamstring too -- those are really tricky but the way Saka played, I highly doubt it was hamstring. That's something for me to chew on, too, next time I will try not to pay attention to the type of injuries -- and remember that high-stakes games trumps caution.

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Still a long way to go for this pool.

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no single Manchester United fan in this pool???

It is less interesting to see Manchester United play this team continues to be a clown. We are more happy to see Chelsea play now.
Once there is still Erik Ten Hag the team will continue like this, so it seems like he is still immune to being fired. Cheesy

Sacking ETH will cost the club blood and soul that's how bad the situation is. Two more years on his contract.

Firing now should be a huge compensation for the club, but it's one of saving the club isn't it? Like the owner of Man United is a bit stingy when it comes to money. Cheesy

Xavi is sticking out as a replacement, in Xavi's wife's IG instastory that his son is wearing a Man United jersey, is this a sign?

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Quote from: jeremypwr on October 27, 2024, 07:26:00 PM

Congrats to (myself) for winning the Round 9 Yellow Cap

Congratulations jeremypwr! I got lucky in the UFC Challenge this week

I checked the lows and the highs for each round in the Premier League prediction pool and so far 13.5 is the lowest that ever won a yellow cap and 19 is the highest that won a yellow cap. That was my feeling indeed for this round. Many results were impossible to predict, not even the 1/X/2. Well done!

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