Topic: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ (Read 10067 times)

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So, I'd like to finalize the thread with some final comments. I will briefly touch on some of the suggestions you mentioned and try to offer our perspective here as well.

Having a webpage
Impossible at this point, would take even more effort and also incur additional financial cost - which would lower the rewards.

Adding more over/under goals and booking options
We wanted to distance ourselves from the 'standard' bookies betting options. We might implement it a bit more, but not by a lot - unless the majority of the contestants asks for it.

Regional seeding
Not something we're considering - we don't have enough members for that.

Odds-based system
Sure, but in another type of competitions - we have something in mind for such things as well.

Exclusive rewards
We will work with our future competitions sponsors on such things. SB had some plans already for the winner - but they were last second and could not have been organized on such short notice.

Replacement for Google Forms
If you have alternatives, please suggest. This was the best we managed to come up with - and we were happy how it worked.
We have to be able to track answers though.

Less lineups questions
We weren't happy with the results from these as well, they will either be modified or replaced in the future.

All rules and forms in the OP
Sure, however is easier for you.

I didn't touch on some of them - they were suggesting some other competition formats/ideas. We did read those and took some notes, would be difficult to briefly comment on these though.

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If you have some comments to add please feel free to do so, if not I will lock this thread in a few days.

Thanks again for all your feedback, good reviews for our competition, and of course - your participation in it.

interesting view
actually, after this competition I can go far to say - no one ever lost, when bet on me (it was just two bets, but who is counting)

yeah, league is a whole year entertainment, and really has value, IMO, i am not looking at as pure gambling, it is more fun, comparing with paying for watching something interesting, or venue to play sport with friends, and for that one would easily pay this money

@Trofo: Yeah, especially seeing how many people drop off from the pool (which is, in worst scenario, easy to fill in picks for weeks ahead of schedule), I'm really surprised that everyone opted to commit to leagues. But that's really cool to know, and am sure you guys will come up with something cool. Let me know if you need any help or something, who knows? e.g. stuff like free hosting, if needed.

@darxiaomi: Ideal entry fee is probably as accurate as possible. I'd say a lot of it depends on location and cost of living and income, and I guess we really are a varied bunch. Personally, for me a season long fee is actually incredible value for entertainment (I see it almost as an outright bet on myself).

Cryptofrka and Trofo going to view the results from the questions.

-Oh lets see how much its the ideal entrie fee:
-Nobody
-Literally nobody:
-Us : vote in a perfect 33% not giving a clue to the organizers. 

I dont know how we manage to reach that perfect percentage.


Happy holidays for all and good rest.... until Monday come back of PL.

Must admit I am also a bit surprised for 100% on the league system. I was sure all of you that are playing my La Liga and Serie A pools would be up for it. Degenerate gamblers all together but I though it would be too big commitment for more casual users. For proper league to have sense ideal number of participants should fall into 36-60 and this survey results gave us a good incentive to make it happen.

Working on all that guys, will get back to you with hopefully good news in the near future.

serious football was already last night, isn't?

nevertheless, happy holidays to everyone as well, nice period is coming

regarding League system, I am also glad to see that it is 100% for that, will be certainly interesting and IMO better fun than just gambling, not sure that it is feasible this season, but try to bring it up next season

Surprised but happy to see 100% on the league system -- that's something I'm really looking forward to, and of course some idiot spoilt the perfect rating (but that just means you have some way to go before hitting the ceiling!).

Happy holidays everyone, and thanks again, well deserved rest before we get back to serious football again, eh?

We would like to thank you once again for your participation and your feedback. We have closed the form, 21 people submitted answers and we feel it's more than enough.
I have hidden the names from the spreadsheet but the answers are now visible. The reason I hid the names is because there are questions about wagering preferences and I felt that it should be kept private.

To be honest, we're really happy with the results. The competition was rated with 4.9/5, and organization and rules combined with 4.78/5.
We're also happy to see that you'd like us to try and organize a league system, that one is a 100% for the league to happen.

I'll post the results so you can see how you voted.












By the end of the week we'll go through the comments and answer on some of the recommendations as well.

Thanks again and for those that celebrate Christmas, we wish you happy holidays!

Oh yes this is something I forgot. Can't use Telegram and my old forum notifier for Chrome doesn't work anymore so I had to read posts carefully to find the latest question or instructions. It wasn't SO hard but if the thread is super popular like premier league, very easy to miss information.

I think maybe 1st post and 2nd post have to be updated for easier access.

Literally today I got access to a PC and got the opportunity to comfortably fill out a feedback forum. Accordingly, I did so.
Thanks again to the organizers. I am ready to take part in all such competitions and I will be glad if, when organizing the competition, I will be notified in a pm (in case I don’t notice the announcement myself) 

Sorry, I almost forgot to send the form. I just answered and I want to congratulate once again to casperBDG for winning the competition and also to Trofo and cryptofrka for organizing such a great competition. Btw, I really like the league idea in the form

Yup, agreed - if we will use them in the future, we will revise on how to use them. We weren't happy with the fact that most of the time it was either a point or not for all players, we tried modifying it but I wasn't still happy with how it went until the final.
Generally I feel these types of questions are good to have, especially in a h2h format - which the league system would have. Then again, we're here to make it great for you and not for us so if the majority of participants does not like them, we won't be forcing them just because we feel they are good to have.

first of all, I have filled questionnaire with all 5's, you did great job, and 5 don't mean you can do it worse next time, it is a motivation to be better next time

regarding line-up question, except for H2H in final, answer distribution was either all get point, or none (or that is just my impression), and it is hard to get an edge on that even if you follow more (or that is my opinion) - it was one of my answer, less line-up questions

but, TBH, somehow I trust that you will do best to keep it interesting, it was your idea, you put it in a good manner, and you were good in first instance

As Trofo said - if you follow the bookies' picks, you will mostly have the same answers or you only have a 50-50 option (over/under).
We tried to make a mix - so that some questions are 50/50, some are 1/4, some are text only.

The thing with lineups and static questions is that it gives an edge to people that do follow games a bit more, and that is what we wanted to accomplish.
We also did not have a lot of these questions (on average 1 per round, so 10%), specifically because we wanted it to be dynamic - so we tried to introduce a balance there.

If we do create a league, we plan it to be knowledge based - so that people who follow sports more have a better chance of winning - something I don't feel is quite happening in standard Superbru pools that are more luck based. We can still do it in a fun way which we plan to do, so all kind of feedback is appreciated.

Don't get me wrong, we wanted your input and we will take it into consideration. It is much easier for us to offer questions like that. I agree we could have added more card related questions for instance. That is a good market and I don't know any bookie that offers them for whole round of games.

It was our initial thought process that it is better to offer something new. It has added benefit of not having odds to check and therefore we get significantly better distribution of answers. People tend to pick lower odds when in doubt if there isn't a better award for higher odds.

There is a reason why something is offered in the bookies - because there is a market for it and attracts bettors so why avoid this? Anyway, I just wanted to make clear my answers to the questioner and give my 2 cents where I can see some improvement.

Oficial trackers for some stuff simply do not exist. Our call and our decisions are final are something we wanted to avoid at all costs. The idea is that competition is absolutely fair to all participants and that that we as organizers have no power to influence the outcome.

When we are talking about serius rewards I belive it must be handled in this way. Oterwise we are just inviting problems in the future. Than add additional betting on outcomes in our competition and you enter a very grey area where a lot of entities could try to influence our decison.

I kind of agree with this. I made earlier suggestions about dynamic questions, that is not over as soon as the game starts and can be very different depending on outcome in game. I suggested something like, "how will Team B react to conceding first", or "substitution offence for defence, etc."

 But Trofo replied already that it needs to have a verifiable place to show they didn't change the answers also it would require them watching the game I guess or appointing someone so very difficult I agree to make some questions very "dynamic". So in the end, questions are up to organizers as they know best what is practical.

My suggestion for these "hard to verify" stuff is.

Either choose a tracker that shows what happened on timeline history, or set the rules for how things are decided (like when deciding offense sub for defense sub on official number swap), or just say, judges' decision is final and at own discretion (which is how all competitions do it anyway and always there are whiners lol).

We purposely tried to make questions in a way that there isn't a market already availble at bookie pages. Obviously we couldn't avoid it all the times but we made effort to offer stuff you can't see or bet on in normal circumstances.

At the same time results need to be easy verifiable on official pages to avoid dodgy situations.

It is a small place to thread and suggestions for questions that fall into this category are actually the best. Thanks for the feedback.