Topic: ⚽⚽⚽ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk World Cup 2022 - discussion ⚽⚽⚽ - page 6. (Read 10066 times)

As it was a semi final match it should have been taken a bit longer time for the decision. Everyone knows how far a team has to go to reach this stage. It is also the expected dream of many. Croatia was playing well in the early part of the match but after suddenly conceding a goal through penalty, Croatia broke down a bit and its image was reflected in the change. Then they conceded two more goals. I don't blame Argentina. There will be no question if referees spend some times on hard decisions by the help of technology.

I think the ref had a clear view of the incidence at first glance, and so did the VAR, and In this case I would blame the VAR team instead of the ref, The VAR had team could have called the referee's attention if they found the need for it to be rechecked, but they didn't so I don't think there was any reason for the referee to second guess his decision, neither do I think referee usually by themselves request to have a second look at such event after making their calls without a suggestion from the VAR.


I think otherwise, it was Alvarez's skill and the run he made that placed him in the position of being probably lucky, because he made a brilliant run and that was what put both Sosa and the other defender in very terrible spot to have been able to make the clearance, and fortune only favors the brave they said, but still he needed his skill to have been able to put the ball past the goalkeeper so very calmly, If you saw the game between Brazil and Croatia and remember the chance the likes of Vinicius Jr missed or had saved by this goalkeeper, I don't think you'll undermine the effort Alvarez made to score that 2nd goal.

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I think the competition between myself and Kanapka will eventually come down to whether or not France are able to score in both halves while keeping a clean sheet in the process, then the number of saves Hugo Lloris gets to make, while France have not kept a clean sheet so far in this tournament, I think the nature of this match suggest they will, but will they be clinical enough to do what no other team have done so far in this tournament by breaking down the Moroccan defensive, I suppose we'll find out, but if they do I hope it's going to be no later than the 39th minute.

For me was a clear penalty in the first sight. About what you say for the VAR, i dont think he is gonna view again the play, because he in the pitch conceed the penalty and was sure about that, and in the VAR surely say to him it was correct so, nothing to re-check.

And it was a play in the first half after the 2-0, Gvardiol has the hand close to the body, but he put the arm to cut the ball, that can be penalty and was not checked because two penalties and winning 2-0 can be a lot. But if the game was 0-0....

The second goal was more luck than skill, all the rebounds come to Alvarez in a confortly position.

Yep, it was his mistake for the 3rd goal as well, he should have closed the gap way better. He played a really good tournament before yesterday - where he had a horrible game.


The same - I feel it is soft and a lot of pundits agree as well.
I do not think it was intentionally given because it is Argentina vs Croatia though. I simply wanted him to have a look at VAR and then decide whatever he feels is best.

what would you said if that was between Perisic and Martinez, and referee took VAR and canceled it?
not sure about penalty decision, but I do not think it was intentionally given to Argentina

looking at pairs in competition, it all boils down to Giraud to score or not in slaman and me pair, if he score before 34 minute, I am out, afterwards depend on France cleansheet, and shots on target from Morocco
0:0 would do the job, but I do not think that will happen

Before the penalty Lovren made huge mistake. Watch his positioning, there  is 5 meters gap between him and the defense line covering the offside on the pass to Alvarez.

The issue I have with the penalty is that it wasn't checked at all. If he saw it on VAR and still said it was a penalty, it would have been easier to accept.
As I said - there were elements of a penalty there and I have seen these given before.

The thing is that often they are not given as well and in such occasion in a game of such importance, it should have been checked at least.

Finally someone agrees with me But I don't think that the first goal was the one that knocked Croatian players out. I think that was the second goal after which they never recovered.

I hope that Morocco vs France game will be nice to watch. I don't like Morocco's games because they rarely attack.

But to be honest, that wasn't a penalty at tall. It's was a collision as you said. This is a contact game, where on earth did the referrer wanted the Croatia keeper to fall? It's wasn't intentional foul. It's hurt to see how some referee messing a big match like that. After the penalty Croatia team was emotionally drained their game changed to worse. And Argentina took advantage of their emotion imbalance to deal with them. Argentina was better in the game than Croatia yesterday. Infact it was a pay back of what Croatia did to Argentina in 2018 world cup. Croatia defeated Argentina by 3 goals to nil in the group stage.

Morocco vs France game is unpredicted to me, let's hope for a tough game ahead.

Wow, 2/5 for me and casper, was really thinking I would be out actually as couldn't remember what some selections was! Good that we all go into the game later as equals then

Problem is now we only have 2 more different answers and now I see the question was about save percentage (not saves) so I picked a really bad choice unless Bounou saves and keeps a clean sheet, but I also picked Giroud to score/assist, so I killed myself there with a conflicting pick lol


I can only judge from replays so take it for what it is: it is a penalty. If Alvarez wasn't stopped, he could easily continue on and push the ball over the line (Lovren saved it only because alvarez was taken out).

Messi is playing at his best, and at World Cup, he finally scores in all KO rounds when he never did before. That third goal, with probably best defender of World Cup trying to take him down multiple times and failed wow.

But Brazil was the best team to go out of tournament. That I can't disagree with. Argentina struggled (and lost to Saudi) and always need Messi to pull them out of trouble. Brazil were enjoying and having fun and playing amazing football all around.


I picked overs for both because I honestly thought this was going to be a super tight game. I mean both teams collected 2 each and this was with Argentina easy win. If only The goal maybe came super late, for sure I would be the only one with right pick, aha football

At first I also thought that it's a straight up penalty without a doubt. But when I saw a slow motion, I wasn't that sure anymore. It's true that Livakovic did come in contact with Alvarez, but he spread out his legs and arms in order to defend his goal. He didn't make a move to make a foul on Alvarez. It was basically a collision. I'm not sure that a team should be awarded a penalty after a collision. But even if that penalty wasn't awarded to Argentina, I think they would have won. They were a better team and that's it. They deserved to advance to the finals.

Now I kind of hope that Morocco will advance to the finals and that Croatia will face France in the match for the bronze medal. That would give Croatia an opportunity to get a payback for the loss in the final game of the 2018 World Cup. Besides, I think that Morocco style of play doesn't suit Croatia. Croatia plays much better with teams that are not concentrated solely on defense.

Maybe I missed that part of the new rules, and to be honest, I like it, but does it only apply to FIFA competitions? Because we've seen so many red cards in cases like that in the EPL since last season, when a GK causes a contact like that in the EPL, it's always a red in 99/100 cases.


Livakovic's only offense was not making contact with the ball, which is where the rules state it is a penalty. If you must approach a striker on a 1-on-1 situation, always make sure you don't miss the ball no matter how soft the situation was as long as you had zero contact with the ball it is a foul. This occurs frequently outside of the box, and it is always a foul.

The second goal was the most shittest brilliant goal ever, with the ball being lost twice in 10 seconds and recovered twice back to him by the defenders. It was just a bad night for the Croatians; they were caught in four dangerous situations. Even the tournament's best young defender, was having difficulty dealing with Messi.

You are kinda the one not understanding the rules here. For the last few years, the general rule is not to give 'double punishment' to the team, so if it is a penalty and the tackle is not extremely dangerous it will always be a yellow card - no more red cards are awarded in such situations.

The penalty is not clear, it is at least debatable. Livaković has both feet on the ground and yes, he is kinda making a forward movement with his body but it is Alvarez who is trying to go through Livaković - which is not allowed if he has feet on the floor. The problem is Livaković's leg that is stretched out, which at first glance indicates a clear penalty. However, if you look at it closely you see that he's allowed to do it.
I'm not saying 'it was never a penalty'. It has elements that you can use to award it, but my general feel is that it was given too easily. We have seen worse penalties given in this WC though, and we should have reacted way better than we did after it was awarded.

I'm way more angry about the way we conceded the 2nd goal.

first of all, congrats on SF, it is a big success to have two SF back-to-back

what Brazil showed up so far, they had a half time over South Korea and that is it, they had issues scoring even with us, and Serbia defense is between bad and worse

not saying that Argentina showed much more, but Messi showed more than enough to place them where they are

England showed great football, they had low level match against USA, but even with France they were better team, IMO, probably best on tournament

regarding Portugal, you can't play a WC tournament without harmony in a team (Serbia is same example)

This Argentina team was unbeaten in 37 games prior to their loss to the Saudis, and they were even the better team in the only game they lost; without a doubt, they have been the best team in every game they have won so far, false?

They are the second team with the fewest goals conceded after Mororrco, having outplayed Poland, Mexico, the Netherlands, and Croatia, as well as creating the most chances to score. How can they not be the best team thus far? Brazil or England? This team's were off and on, England was nowhere to be found in their second game against the USA, and Brazil has struggled since their 2-0 win in their first game.

Throughout the competition, Alisster, Accuna, Depaul, and the entire Agentina defense have been outstanding. L. Martinez was the only weak link that could have cost them, but the coach was able to fix that after the Saudi Arabia game.

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If France/ Morocco win is not rigged but if Agentina wins it is rigged. Ronaldo fan base are running madly on social media.  

Can you honestly say that this Argentina showed more in the tournament than let's say Brazil or England? Maybe even Portugal. Doesn't matter in the end world cups games in knockout stages need to be won, and not played to be better team on the pitch. I am not saying Argentina is bad but other than Messi, Alvarez and Martinez (GK) i haven't been impressed by them.

I know I am putting a lot of money on France if we get that final.

Yes, it would have been a VAR decision if he had touched the ball first before stooping the player, but there was no way he was going to keep the ball out without knocking down the player, and the GK shouldn't have been in such a situation in the first place if Croatia hadn't given Alvarez so much space in the first place.

After Alvarez was brought down, it took the Croatian defender about 50 seconds to get to the ball, it was a good counter. Argentina did nothing, according to Trofo, despite this being one of their easiest draws so far.

I think a red card would have been a very harsh decision on the goalkeeper, even though I'd agree it's a penalty straight up, but the yellow card is also debatable, I'd argue because the keeper never plunged into Alvarez directly and he went for the ball on a straight forward line and didn't dive towards the left which Alvarez went towards after putting the ball past him, but the only reason why that was a penalty in the first place is because the goalkeeper actually never got in contact with the ball, so it was an easy call for the referee, and spot on too, however if the keeper had gotten in touch with the ball first, it would have been a different debate, wouldn't it ?

That was a basic penalty, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't understand the rules, and the GK was lucky not to see a red card; I guess the ref didn't want the stain on his hand, which was the smartest thing to do.

Tbh, there's nothing special about this Croatian team; they've been padding on with PK shootouts since it's their best tool. They were the better team in the first 15 mins, they controlled the game, had more of the ball, but after conceding the first goal, they lost concentration and started playing long balls, which was the beginning of their problem. They completely underestimated Alvarez throughout the game; he was given too much space to operate.

Overall, it was a positive experience for a country with a population of less than 4 million people; there is no shame in losing to the tournament's best team thus far.. Was that Modric's last dance? His facial expression says YES.

I can't complain about penalty, Livaković never touched the ball and stopped Alvarez when he put the ball past him. I know I would be seriously pissed if such penalty wouldn't be given for the team I need to score.

2nd goal was what destroyed our hopes and as you say that one should have never happened. There was so many opportunities to make professional foul or clean the ball. Too bad, it is stupid to say anything after we lost 3:0 but I feel like this Argentinian squad really isn't any special apart from Messi and Alavarez. Brazil was much better opponent, but that is football.