there is one question where may be needed clarification
what happens in (highly unlikely) case that there is.more than three goals in Morocco Croatia mafch, is this 3 - over 3, or 4+ goals means no points for any player?
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I broguht to you some "news", its a old desire of Messi to return and play in his real team, and im not talking about Brokelona, im talking about Newells old Boys, the other day Aguero and some periodist launch the rumour, "If the sunday all goes fine he wants to fulfill a wish" . And they clarified its to return, but not to Barcelona, and Aguero say, "yes i know, he said to me".
Im from Rosario, and im not from Newells im fan of the other team, but i can guarantee to you i dont know how we can manage this, also if Messi comes back, Di Maria returns to Rosario Central without doubts , plus some others.
The new manager of Newells its Gabriel Heinze so....
And yesterday Newells (casually) found the original and first Messi player token of his live from 1994.
I cant know if this finally happens, because i dont know if the city and the football its prepared to this but.... He have all here and all his family and Antonella family still living here.
Im from Rosario, and im not from Newells im fan of the other team, but i can guarantee to you i dont know how we can manage this, also if Messi comes back, Di Maria returns to Rosario Central without doubts , plus some others.
The new manager of Newells its Gabriel Heinze so....
And yesterday Newells (casually) found the original and first Messi player token of his live from 1994.
I cant know if this finally happens, because i dont know if the city and the football its prepared to this but.... He have all here and all his family and Antonella family still living here.
You can see from this still that the goalkeeper went to intercept the ball and not the player. He put both of his feet on the ground before Alvarez miskicked the shot and crashed into him. What else could the goalkeeper do? His job is to defend the goal and not to get out of the way of the attacking player.
That wasn't a miskick; there was no way he could score from that angle after the GK ran out of his own line, so he simply flicked the ball over his hand to bypass the GK for a simple tap in. Good to see you, by the way; perhaps you should come more often so we can talk about games more. Mind you, I'm the most divisive pundit.
For me its penalty because in football for example you cant make "screens" like in basketball, second and most important in football its so dificult to take a point because always have "advantage" the player you carry the ball, if you touch him and not the ball can be a foul no matter what, like in this case
You know ball. As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
We have different opinions and that's fine. But the fact remains that Orsato might have decided not to rule penalty for Argentina if he saw the situation on the VAR monitor. I guess the VAR was introduced to football because of that reason.
There will always be differing viewpoints on any given situation, which is what makes football so fascinating. Is VAR even reliable? They've made the worst mistakes in the years since it was implemented, and as long as the people behind it are still field referees, we'll have problems- when VAR was first implemented, I thought it would require a special specialist to operate it. The referee association is far too powerful; no matter how poorly they perform, they are rarely penalized.
In fact, the use of VAR is still being debated in its use, many have benefited and many have been harmed by the use of VAR technology, in fact FIFA already has a special team to monitor and select referees from various countries, but the problem is whether the bookies are taking part in the VAR technology setting of several important matches to win big bookies on several gambling sites..
I think both have some good points but that its the problem in football, its not black or white.
For me its penalty because in football for example you cant make "screens" like in basketball, second and most important in football its so dificult to take a point because always have "advantage" the player you carry the ball, if you touch him and not the ball can be a foul no matter what, like in this case.
For example for me its more penalty the one to Moroco from Theo Hernandez..... but he was with the ball..... so fault from the morocan guy.
For me its penalty because in football for example you cant make "screens" like in basketball, second and most important in football its so dificult to take a point because always have "advantage" the player you carry the ball, if you touch him and not the ball can be a foul no matter what, like in this case.
For example for me its more penalty the one to Moroco from Theo Hernandez..... but he was with the ball..... so fault from the morocan guy.
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
We have different opinions and that's fine. But the fact remains that Orsato might have decided not to rule penalty for Argentina if he saw the situation on the VAR monitor. I guess the VAR was introduced to football because of that reason.
There will always be differing viewpoints on any given situation, which is what makes football so fascinating. Is VAR even reliable? They've made the worst mistakes in the years since it was implemented, and as long as the people behind it are still field referees, we'll have problems- when VAR was first implemented, I thought it would require a special specialist to operate it. The referee association is far too powerful; no matter how poorly they perform, they are rarely penalized.
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
Everyone who watched the match and the slow-motion video could clearly see that it was a collision and not a foul. The referee could have seen it if he checked the VAR, but he didn't. Why? To rule a penalty in such an important match without checking the VAR is a mistake or biased by the ref, if not something much worse.
You can see from this still that the goalkeeper went to intercept the ball and not the player. He put both of his feet on the ground before Alvarez miskicked the shot and crashed into him. What else could the goalkeeper do? His job is to defend the goal and not to get out of the way of the attacking player.
Exactly my point. This picture proves my point even more than the one I uploaded. It was a collision and not a foul. Even with that in mind, it would be easier for me (and a lot of other people) to accept the decision if just Orsato had checked the VAR monitor and ruled after seeing the slow motion.
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
Everyone who watched the match and the slow-motion video could clearly see that it was a collision and not a foul. The referee could have seen it if he checked the VAR, but he didn't. Why? To rule a penalty in such an important match without checking the VAR is a mistake or biased by the ref, if not something much worse.
You can see from this still that the goalkeeper went to intercept the ball and not the player. He put both of his feet on the ground before Alvarez miskicked the shot and crashed into him. What else could the goalkeeper do? His job is to defend the goal and not to get out of the way of the attacking player.
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
We have different opinion and that's fine. But the fact remains that Orsato might have decided not to rule penalty for Argentina if he saw the situation on the VAR monitor. I guess the VAR was introduced to football because of that reason.
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
All of this would not have mattered if he had touched the ball; however, Likakovic made the incorrect calculation and ran out of his line to intercept the player rather than the ball. Alvarez was already moving quickly, and there was no way he could pass someone who had both feet pinned to the ground. It was a trap
But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.
I've been a Croatia fan since 2014 because of my admiration for Modric and Kovasic, as well as my crush on the formal President, and I have no doubt that was a penalty. From a neutral vantage point. Look at Livakovic's body movement and the ball's position.
Well, if you insist, this picture is when Alvarez already collided with Livakovic. This is a better view of this situation:
As you can see in the first of three pics, Livakovic stands with both feet on the ground before Alvarez run into him. That's why in your picture it looks like Livakovic knocked down Alvarez.
But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.
I've been a Croatia fan since 2014 because of my admiration for Modric and Kovasic, as well as my crush on the formal President, and I have no doubt that was a penalty. From a neutral vantage point. Look at Livakovic's body movement and the ball's position. @igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.
I agree that watching VAR would have cleared up some doubts, but I don't believe that particular incident required VAR assistance because a crash like that between players outside the box is always a foul. Livakovic committed two offenses: failing to catch the ball and extending his right leg to obstruct Alvarez's movement. Is there a perfect penalty in football in which both the loser and the winner agreed it was a penalty? No.
As a fan, whenever a penalty is awarded against my team, regardless of how soft or hard it is, I must find a way to complain, even if I know it was the correct call; that is what makes football beautiful.
But Livakovic never extend his leg to obstruct Alvarez movement. He positioned himself about one meter in front of Alvarez and stood still. The action was fast so it's hard to see it in live, but when you look at the slow motion, you can see it. And I'm not saying this to complain as a Croatia fan. I'm saying this because now we will never know if Orsato saw what happened and awarded penalty regardless or he didn't see it right. If he check the situation in slow motion on VAR monitor and still award the penalty, we all would accept it because it would mean that he saw exactly what happened and ruled it as a penalty.
@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.
I agree that watching VAR would have cleared up some doubts, but I don't believe that particular incident required VAR assistance because a crash like that between players outside the box is always a foul. Livakovic committed two offenses: failing to catch the ball and extending his right leg to obstruct Alvarez's movement. Is there a perfect penalty in football in which both the loser and the winner agreed it was a penalty? No.
As a fan, whenever a penalty is awarded against my team, regardless of how soft or hard it is, I must find a way to complain, even if I know it was the correct call; that is what makes football beautiful.
@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.I understand that the field referee is superior in making decisions but that shouldn't be the case. If VAR was implemented in football so that field refs would make less mistakes, then they should have a possibility to make the field ref look at the situation on the VAR monitor. For me it still hurts that Orsato didn't watch the situation between Alvarez and Livakovic. When I saw the situation in live TV, it looked like a clear penalty. But when I saw it in slow motion, I'm not that sure anymore. Besides, like cryptofrka said, if Orsato watch the VAR monitor and still ruled it as a penalty, there probably wouldn't be that much of a problem. This way one can think that he saw the whole situation wrong, especially since he was quite far away in the field.
Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
Did any team ever get a chance for rematch due to bad officiating? I don't think so and it is better that way. Just imagine if some club got it. Next time any minor ref decision is up to debate somobody would ask for rematch. All hell would break lose, better to keep that option firmly off the table.Yes, we've had it before: the world cup qualifiers match between Senegal and South Africa was replayed after the Senegalese FA filed an appeal to FIFA for match fixing and poor officiating after an unbelievable penalty was awarded out of nowhere, and South Africa won the first game 2-1. Senegal won the rematch and qualified for the Qatar World Cup after the ref was banned for life.
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Both the losers too? 
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Yeah, well done to the both of you
If casper wins it all, then I can be proud to say I lost to the eventual champion. If you asked me at the start of it all who would be in the final, it's very likely I would choose at least one of them since I believe they were both "seeded" in their groups and as expected, made it out, unlike many other real seeds like Germany lol.I'll check questions out like tomorrow and answer immediately. I took too long the last time and overcooked my answers
Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
Did any team ever get a chance for rematch due to bad officiating? I don't think so and it is better that way. Just imagine if some club got it. Next time any minor ref decision is up to debate somobody would ask for rematch. All hell would break lose, better to keep that option firmly off the table.Remeber guys, I still need some BTC addresses for rewards and cut off time for sending your answers for last round is 2 hours before first match.
In this case, the referee had already rendered a decision on the situation, so there was nothing VAR could do since the referee's decision is the ultimate. VAR doesn't intervene unless the referee gives signal or missed a situation and he is called to check it. VAR serves as the field's assistant referee, more like,"Hey, don't come in unless I need it." As long as the VAR is under the control of the ref, nothing will change until they act independently.
Perhaps if Boufal had fell too, it would have been a different argument, but I think the first impression the referee had was that the defender had the advantage of possessing the ball, while Boufal was the aggressive challenger going for the tackle/take on, that was what I saw at first too, until I saw the replay and it was evident that Boufal even withdrew his before getting anywhere near contacting the defender, and he was the victim in the end instead, so he got victimized twice, one by the defender and secondly by there ref.
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@igehhh I don't suppose that's how VAR works in total, I know for sure that it doesn't matter what the referee believe he saw at first glance, If the VAR advices him to take a secondly look at the monitor, because the have split decision with themselves, or at least a consensus that is different from what the referee, the referee's say is final but still the I don't think the referee will decline the request or suggestion from the VAR team.
Everything happens through the earphones, and if the ref tells the VAR officials that he saw the situation clearly and made the correct decision, the VAR will accept it without hesitation because the field ref is superior. I believe that most of the time the ref is forced to look at the screen due to the players' pressure, and that most of the time after looking at the monitor, they stick to their initial decision not to appear stupid.Having said that, Morocco was on the wrong end of the officiating last night, but it didn't really matter because everyone wanted the France-Argentina final to make more money. Even FIFA wanted that, which is why they rejected Morocco's proposal for a rematch, which I knew was doomed to fail anyway. Morocco has a good chance of beating Croatia, and I wouldn't be surprised if they do.
Great work on getting to the final Harkorede and casperBGD, and let the best member win!
Everyone who finished in top three or four places earned very nice Bitcoin reward, and maybe we could see special bet on Sportsbet website again.
Everyone who finished in top three or four places earned very nice Bitcoin reward, and maybe we could see special bet on Sportsbet website again.
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