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legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1398
Yes, I'm an asshole
@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

Alternatively, you can ask someone here you trusted enough if they're willing to bear the burden of the task and create an account on BJF [if they haven't already], and tell them about the exploit so they can test it on your behalf.


If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers

OP, Eva, or whoever representative reading this thread, your title is asking a support from the community while you stand strong against an unjust attack, so here's your chance to prove and meet him in the middle, that you're fair and the attack is unjust. Clarify about that bug, or let BJF regain temporary access to his account to test it himself and thus nullify his statement and the "unjust attack".

You can arrange a deal with him to have a screen recording for the whole time he accessed your site or perhaps even a screen-share, if you're concerned he will do other things beside testing the bug.

Or that you, perhaps, have scraped that game altogether, and it'll never see the light of the day anymore? It was a beta game, if I am not mistaken?
member
Activity: 168
Merit: 13
Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  

yawn.  Everyone knows what you did bozo.   Do you really not remember?  (see my sig)

No one should be scared of being OG's next target - now is the time to stand up!

I would've quit Bitcointalk by now but seeing this drama still continue is the biggest reason why I'm still around. I will try to be here for every moment of this.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.

@Pmalek

To be honest, I have not given up on the idea of testing again to see if Blackjack.fun has fixed the timer exploit.
BUT
also to be honest, I did not want to register with a different name and VPN. I asked Blackjack.fun a few times to donate the crypto they owe me and to allow me to play again to look for bugs. as they did not agree and this was really an offer they could easily agree as they even offered me 100USDT if I will test for more bugs/exploits which I did not agree to as it looked very fishy to me not paying about 30USDT but offering me 100USDT.

I really wanted to help them as I like Blackjack and I like fair games.

why did they not officially confirm that they fixed this exploit? or did I miss it?

If they would be fair and appreciate my work (actually for free) as I did not ask for any withdrawal, they could let me in to check if they fixed it, but only if members here would agree to check if they fixed it. surely everyone can trust them that they fixed it. But I don't trust them because they have been acting very strange and fishy so far.

IMHO, it is never too late for them to prove to their customers that they really are legit and that they run a fair casino.

I hope you understand my point and if I am wrong please point me to where I am wrong

Cheers


Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  

yawn.  Everyone knows what you did bozo.   Do you really not remember?  (see my sig)

No one should be scared of being OG's next target - now is the time to stand up!
donator
Activity: 4732
Merit: 4240
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Good luck.  LOL

Just look at my trust ratings.  I have some negatives from DT members and have protected tens of millions of dollars for people here while never misplacing so much as a satoshi.  Unfortunately, people would rather weaponize trolls against those they disagree with than have a legitimate trust network.  OP's post is even merited by a user who includes a proven extortionist in his trust network.  The hypocrisy among users here is off the charts.  Sadly, those who stand up to the abusers are targeted for years here while regular people stay silent in hopes they won't become the next target.  
legendary
Activity: 2730
Merit: 7065
Farewell, Leo. You will be missed!
@JackpotRacer
Have you given up on the idea of testing the games further to see if the timer bug is still there or not? That remains the biggest concern to me personally.
Blackjack.Fun has misrepresented itself several times now, the provably fair claim is one of those times. A casino that has 2 provably fair games out of XXX hosted games shouldn't call itself that. It's good that it's gone now.
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1398
Yes, I'm an asshole
Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

LOL you are really a clown!

I read everything and understand everything, unlike you.

......... if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).

You read the same as we all read, but you don't understand as always, so maybe just stop, because you're just embarrassing yourself.

let me explain ELI5

>if memory serves him well< LOL

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)< LOL

do you understand what it means >if memory serves him well<


and

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)<

read again and again until you understand it!

Hmm... yeah, we can understand what it means with one of it being provably fair as far as his memory serves him well, combined with a method of proving a fair bet by Eva. Have you read and try to understand it? Perhaps try to read it again and again? Still can't? Ok, here, let me help break it down to you:

You asked which game is PF, and that information was served to you, in form of a quote from past post, as it's been mentioned before, and should be known by someone who read the thread well. In short, the answer to your question, "why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF" is "their in-house games, namely "Blackjack" and "Red or Black", although "Red or Black" is a bit in doubt since it's currently inaccessible"

You get it now? Try to read it again slowly if you still can't. It's ok, we won't go anywhere, we'll still be here when you finished reading them and understand what it said.

I can tell if they fixed the exploit! but ask yourself why Blackjack.fun does not show and prove that they fixed the exploit?

Pretty much I covered this in your own thread?

very easy answer for every one with average IQ


Talking about IQ, actually, the post by khaled0111 as well as most of the posts on this thread and the situation regarding PF can be understood easily by anyone with average IQ. But I can understand that someone with the level of IQ like yours sometimes find it difficult to understand. After all, one can seriously injure themselves if they climb to the height of your ego and jump to the level of your IQ. [Yep, that's me being a clown and make a joke]
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF Huh

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.

LOL you are really a clown!

I read everything and understand everything, unlike you.

......... if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).

You read the same as we all read, but you don't understand as always, so maybe just stop, because you're just embarrassing yourself.

let me explain ELI5

>if memory serves him well< LOL

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)< LOL

do you understand what it means >if memory serves him well<


and

>... (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct)<

read again and again until you understand it!

I can tell if they fixed the exploit! but ask yourself why Blackjack.fun does not show and prove that they fixed the exploit?

very easy answer for every one with average IQ
legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1398
Yes, I'm an asshole
You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF Huh

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

Umm... have you read this post?

No. The provably fair here refers to their in-house games, only. They have two of them Blackjack and Red or Black and, if memory serves me well, both of them are indeed provably fair (for some reason I couldn't open R&B to verify this is still correct).
Some of the other games from third party providers are pf but not all of them. This is something out of blackjack.fun's control as they are not the one who developed those games.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.

Brushing your previous statement about small sign, to make it clear to you as I somehow get an impression that you think it is a minor issue, most gamblers actually seek that "small sign" when they access a gambling platform and would much prefer the ones with PF.

When a casino provide a PF claim in form of that logo, they're expected to be able to prove that their games [as the name suggested] are provably fair. It is not a simple statement, it is a commitment. There are instances where a game provider tweak their script and temporarily make their game non-PF, or where a provider actually can't provide a platform for player to verify their game. Upon being notified or coming to their own awareneness of this issue, the casinos that host games of these providers will immediately take that matter into their hand and see it through. And those casinos are big casinos.

Just to give you an idea how crucial and important of that "small logo" brings.

Moving on to your decision to remove the logo, I appreciate the move. Alternatively, you can make a distinct separation of PF game [your own game] with the ones that are not PF.



This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud



This coming from someone who barks at everyone to read the whole posts on his thread? Have you try to do your own suggestion? Because it seems you did not read every posts on this thread. If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

You are a clown for me as you think it will help to attack me!

What do you understand under

.......If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.

who cares about > at least 1 game PF <

why not tell everyone and also me which games are PF Huh

it is nowhere written which games are PF which means you could not read it and same for me, so stop your BS and stupid attacks as it is not helpful for Blackjack.fun if you really want to help them and play their lawyer

legendary
Activity: 2506
Merit: 1398
Yes, I'm an asshole
I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.

Brushing your previous statement about small sign, to make it clear to you as I somehow get an impression that you think it is a minor issue, most gamblers actually seek that "small sign" when they access a gambling platform and would much prefer the ones with PF.

When a casino provide a PF claim in form of that logo, they're expected to be able to prove that their games [as the name suggested] are provably fair. It is not a simple statement, it is a commitment. There are instances where a game provider tweak their script and temporarily make their game non-PF, or where a provider actually can't provide a platform for player to verify their game. Upon being notified or coming to their own awareneness of this issue, the casinos that host games of these providers will immediately take that matter into their hand and see it through. And those casinos are big casinos.

Just to give you an idea how crucial and important of that "small logo" brings.

Moving on to your decision to remove the logo, I appreciate the move. Alternatively, you can make a distinct separation of PF game [your own game] with the ones that are not PF.



This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud



This coming from someone who barks at everyone to read the whole posts on his thread? Have you try to do your own suggestion? Because it seems you did not read every posts on this thread. If you do, you'll see that at least one of their game is PF.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
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I think I would speak for many members that removing a provably fair image was the right thing to do if not all the games were provably fair therefore it is a welcomed move.

Having said that, is it possible for you to ask the relevant department to explain why they added a provably fair logo on the website when not all the games being played were provably fair?

Also, please ask them to explain how blackjack.fun customers can be sure to trust them or any casino they are playing on when they cannot verify for themselves they are not being cheated.

Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva


legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva



This sounds that actually no game is Provably Fair. Why not telling your players and us which game is Provably Fair and which games are not. should be easy for you as the owner and Developer. removing the Provably Badge actually says all your games are not Provably Fair. and if so just say it out loud

copper member
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Honesty is the best policy.
Greetings everyone,

We are open to experimenting with various types of bonuses based on the creative ideas we generate.

Meanwhile the UX team has made the decision to remove the provably fair badge from the site. This step is taken to prevent any potential misconceptions, ensuring that users do not mistakenly assume that all games on the platform are provably fair.

Admin Eva

legendary
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Farewell LEO: o_e_l_e_o
It is known that most people like bonuses, but bonuses that they can withdraw, I wonder why casinos don't change their strategies regarding bonuses, instead of placing absurd requirements they could explore options in which the casino could win a lot and the customer could also win, something like offering a bonus for example to a person who deposits 10$ plays and loses everything and wins 2$, in other words the bonus would be that when the person deposits, plays and loses everything they could win a bonus of 20% of the amount she deposited and could withdraw this amount without any conditions, most players would use this same bonus amount to continue playing and this would attract people because at the end of the day the casino would be the one that would earn the most, rather than talking about a bonus in which no one can claim
Very well said.

When bonus are too complicated to get anything back as cash then bonus itself fails.

In sportsbet they offer free bets and in the free bet whatever you will, you will keep that minus the free bet amount. It's an easy money for clients [not easy although but they think], some wins and that excitement keeps them coming to the bookmaker and deposit more. Even if you lose, you feel an emptiness and decides to deposit your own money to continue betting.

I saw some casinos offered 30x or even 200x wager. For me 2x wager is okay but when I see 5x wager and more, I start to lose interest even to try the offer.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed


As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?

Ah, this is how the "Ignore" function works. Okay, I've activated it now. It was suggested a long time ago already.

Surely you will ignore legit questions!

you should read this posting (new)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63754300

here is the text in full and it is very Spot On!

of the many tips on bad signs that you should pay close attention when using or wanting to use a site and the level of bonus given and whether the bonus is constantly being offered, this is because a casino is in bankruptcy and the owner wants to disappear with the people's money is constantly offering bonuses for people to deposit money and then it disappears with people's money, I hope this is not the case with Blackjack.fun. When I saw about this bonus I was wondering what was the point in offering bonuses to all members, but a bonus where the requirements are impossible to meet? In terms of marketing to bring customers back, I don't see how this action would entice people to return to the casino

It is known that most people like bonuses, but bonuses that they can withdraw, I wonder why casinos don't change their strategies regarding bonuses, instead of placing absurd requirements they could explore options in which the casino could win a lot and the customer could also win, something like offering a bonus for example to a person who deposits 10$ plays and loses everything and wins 2$, in other words the bonus would be that when the person deposits, plays and loses everything they could win a bonus of 20% of the amount she deposited and could withdraw this amount without any conditions, most players would use this same bonus amount to continue playing and this would attract people because at the end of the day the casino would be the one that would earn the most, rather than talking about a bonus in which no one can claim

copper member
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Honesty is the best policy.
I honestly am astounded at what I am reading from you Eva because if you are catching up you would have read the list of questions and concerns and answered them accordingly.

Before asking any other questions related to licences or anything else, please answer these three questions (though 1 and 2 could overlap in your answers):

1- kindly explain why there is a provably fair logo on the blackjack.fun website when not all of the games are provably fair
2- kindly explain if you think it appropriate for blackjack.fun to display that provably fair logo when not all of the games are provably fair
3- kindly explain what you intend to do about displaying the misleading provably fair logo

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

I will leave a note for the UX team regarding this issue, so they can work on finding a solution to ensure that the small sign is not misleading.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
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I honestly am astounded at what I am reading from you Eva because if you are catching up you would have read the list of questions and concerns and answered them accordingly.

Before asking any other questions related to licences or anything else, please answer these three questions (though 1 and 2 could overlap in your answers):

1- kindly explain why there is a provably fair logo on the blackjack.fun website when not all of the games are provably fair
2- kindly explain if you think it appropriate for blackjack.fun to display that provably fair logo when not all of the games are provably fair
3- kindly explain what you intend to do about displaying the misleading provably fair logo

Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva
copper member
Activity: 593
Merit: 221
Honesty is the best policy.


As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?

Ah, this is how the "Ignore" function works. Okay, I've activated it now. It was suggested a long time ago already.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1011
All Games incl Racer and Lottery game are Closed
Hello, everyone!

I'm quickly catching up with everything here. Have I missed any unanswered questions? It was suggested by you guys to make a post, and while our time is limited, I'm eager to answer all queries. Some of the questions about licenses have been covered already. Our legal department has already provided responses as well. It's not a matter of me having a choice over it. The decisions are based on legal considerations, and we're following the guidance provided by them. The question regarding provably fair has also been addressed. Questions about our Blackjack Tournaments and bugs are on the table, but rest assured, nobody should be concerned as no one is taking any risks in this stage. The entire process is still in development. The entire concept is about collaboratively building Blackjack Tournaments with our community. It's completely acceptable to have an unfinished product with bugs at this stage—it's the core of the idea. Our aim is to peacefully construct our project with our community without any external dramas.

Eva

As always, talking a lot and saying nothing

what about the forced bonus on your customers?
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