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Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 2. (Read 136158 times)

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legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
Well, both ZT and to some extent Amir (genjix) wanted to make a fast pay back of the funds, which has been prevented by Donald and Patrick. So, if ZT offer to handle this would have not been denied by the this incapable consultancy, the theft would not have happened, because we would have had our money back since ages.
Yes, it's very convenient that Zhou Tong's criminal friend stole a huge sum from the Bitcoin reserves using a password that only Zhou Tong and a handful of other people knew to try, then converted them using one of Zhou Tong's e-mail accounts, just in time to make Zhou Tong the hero who could've saved everyone's money if only the evil Bitcoin Consultancy cabal had listened to him. Just ignore the bit where the thief converted a chunk of the money to Liberty Dollars and Zhou Tong tried to convert a very similar amount back shortly afterwards. Obviously this is all a concidence and Zhou's simply the unluckiest guy in the world rather than someone who's playing the forum like a fiddle.

finally someone who can think.

Oh, there are more of us than you realize.   Wink
legendary
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Well, both ZT and to some extent Amir (genjix) wanted to make a fast pay back of the funds, which has been prevented by Donald and Patrick. So, if ZT offer to handle this would have not been denied by the this incapable consultancy, the theft would not have happened, because we would have had our money back since ages.
Yes, it's very convenient that Zhou Tong's criminal friend stole a huge sum from the Bitcoin reserves using a password that only Zhou Tong and a handful of other people knew to try, then converted them using one of Zhou Tong's e-mail accounts, just in time to make Zhou Tong the hero who could've saved everyone's money if only the evil Bitcoin Consultancy cabal had listened to him. Just ignore the bit where the thief converted a chunk of the money to Liberty Dollars and Zhou Tong tried to convert a very similar amount back shortly afterwards. Obviously this is all a concidence and Zhou's simply the unluckiest guy in the world rather than someone who's playing the forum like a fiddle.

finally someone who can think.
hero member
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Merit: 564
Well, both ZT and to some extent Amir (genjix) wanted to make a fast pay back of the funds, which has been prevented by Donald and Patrick. So, if ZT offer to handle this would have not been denied by the this incapable consultancy, the theft would not have happened, because we would have had our money back since ages.
Yes, it's very convenient that Zhou Tong's criminal friend stole a huge sum from the Bitcoinica reserves using a password that only Zhou Tong and a handful of other people knew to try, then converted them using one of Zhou Tong's e-mail accounts, just in time to make Zhou Tong the hero who could've saved everyone's money if only the evil Bitcoin Consultancy cabal had listened to him. Just ignore the bit where the thief converted a chunk of the money to Liberty Dollars and Zhou Tong tried to convert a very similar amount back shortly afterwards. Obviously this is all a concidence and Zhou's simply the unluckiest guy in the world rather than someone who's playing the forum like a fiddle.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
The only chance to get any bitcoins back at this point is to hire a hacker.

Hey that is actually a good idea. Bitcoin will never escape the hackers, so if you can find good hackers (good in terms that they will at least not keep it all for themselves) to steal enough to replenish victims of theft we will finally have the great pyramid of theft.
legendary
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The only chance to get any bitcoins back at this point is to hire a hacker.
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
hero member
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Merit: 500
Mine Silent, Mine Deep
What is the transaction# for the 15k BTC back ? (Zhou ?)

Is anyone following what is happening with the original 40k btc tx ?

This is the BTC fund recovery address: http://blockchain.info/address/1N99P8Z5AQXWEYZiS6ddov9Fyc4kuGPpwJ

The 15K BTC transaction ID is here: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/14259797/a9e24f756f425a8f7bc7178f04416dc025790f4a66f3dd59e6ccc11d30672076
hero member
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Merit: 1000
user "zhoutong" was online today so he is lurking around.

Aaaaand now he will browse unlogged in incognito mode...

It's probably wise to assume that everyone associated with the Bitcoinica drama is browsing regularly looking for a heads-up on any further legal action - civil or criminal - which may be heading their way.
legendary
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Is anyone seriously hopeful they'll get something back at this point? 
donator
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user "zhoutong" was online today so he is lurking around.

Aaaaand now he will browse unlogged in incognito mode...
full member
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Look upon me, BitcoinTalk, for I...am...Rarity!
It's very possible Zhou might be in hiding at this point.  A user of these forums has threatened violent action against him and has attempted to hunt him down, if Zhou Tong is currently in fear for his life he will be unlikely to be able to concentrate on continuing to prosecute action against the hacker thief.  The AurumXChange led witchhunt is very suspicious given these conditions, why did they want to go to so much effort to slow down the recovery process?

I think AurumXChange has some reason to fear Zhou getting to the bottom of what happened here. 
hero member
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There is the possibility he now has a lawyer who is telling him to stfu.

I really think if a lawyer told Zhou not to talk, Zhou would tell us. He loves to talk.

I suspect he's realised that community validation offers no protection from legal realities.   Also, he turns 18 this month so even if he couldn't be held to account in some jurisdictions previously, he certainly can be held legally responsible in most places for any actions which occur after he turns 18.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
There is the possibility he now has a lawyer who is telling him to stfu.

I really think if a lawyer told Zhou not to talk, Zhou would tell us. He loves to talk.
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
There is the possibility he now has a lawyer who is telling him to stfu.

Which is why I would not expect any statement from Zhou.  If Zhou has been successful in recovering USD, I would expect Patrick Murck to confirm receipt of those funds though.  It is reasonable to assume until such a statement is forthcoming that further funds have not been recovered, which will have a significant effect on the final amount available to a liquidator for distribution to creditors.
hero member
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Wat
There is the possibility he now has a lawyer who is telling him to stfu.
legendary
Activity: 2856
Merit: 1520
Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
user "zhoutong" was online today so he is lurking around.
hero member
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Merit: 1000


There is absolutly ZERO reason to continue to hold up the process of ZT recovering funds form the 'hacker'.  Quite the opposite really. A judge will be very eager to persue a person related to the funds who has the means to recover them and has not done so.

The whole fucking thing could have been avoided so long ago, is what really irks me about the whole mess....  Angry

Yeah, well the whole "you see there's this Chinese relic collector..." story is going to be extremely hard to sell to a judge/jury without hard evidence of that person's existence and alleged confession.  And there's no way that Zhou would not be called upon to provide testimony because his claim regarding the Chinese hacker exonerates Patrick, Amir and Donald as suspects in the MtGox theft.
hero member
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Merit: 500
There really needs to be an update on the recovery of the fiat funds.  It's now been 10 days since Zhou's "finishing next week" post and there's been no indication yet that any of the fiat funds have been recovered.

Probably because he's getting sued.

Zhou isn't one of the named defendants in the lawsuit.  If anything, not acting to recover the funds from an allegedly known person could work against him if he eventually becomes one of the DOE defendants in the lawsuit as he -personally - is the only link to the alleged hacker and "cut a deal" with that person.

+1

There is absolutly ZERO reason to continue to hold up the process of ZT recovering funds form the 'hacker'.  Quite the opposite really. A judge will be very eager to persue a person related to the funds who has the means to recover them and has not done so.

The whole fucking thing could have been avoided so long ago, is what really irks me about the whole mess....  Angry
hero member
Activity: 868
Merit: 1000
There really needs to be an update on the recovery of the fiat funds.  It's now been 10 days since Zhou's "finishing next week" post and there's been no indication yet that any of the fiat funds have been recovered.

Probably because he's getting sued.

Zhou isn't one of the named defendants in the lawsuit.  If anything, not acting to recover the funds from an allegedly known person could work against him if he eventually becomes one of the DOE defendants in the lawsuit as he -personally - is the only link to the alleged hacker and "cut a deal" with that person.

Nor is a statement from Zhou necessary.  I would expect any statement about the funds having been recovered to come from Patrick Murck once they are under his possession (because until they're under his possession they aren't truly recovered). 
hero member
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Merit: 500
Wat
There really needs to be an update on the recovery of the fiat funds.  It's now been 10 days since Zhou's "finishing next week" post and there's been no indication yet that any of the fiat funds have been recovered.

Probably because he's getting sued.
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