Topic: Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 7. (Read 136171 times)

Why? You managed to digest AulumXchange's accusation, find that your identity had been stolen, find how this was in direct relation to the Bitcoinica "hack", work out who exactly was responsible and post a 1400 word defence of yourself just an hour after their announcement?

If you were instead given advanced warning and 12 hours to do all that, this forum would die because not even it would be able to process the amount of bullshit you would produce!

You are correct. Zhou should be given the benefit of doubt, I understand that. But it must also be understood that when Zhou offers stories without evidence, refuses to elaborate and answer (the many) questions put to him, it makes it very difficult indeed to trust him and is immensely frustrating for those who are trying to find the truth - whatever it is.

He's been selectively vocal. He has not been transparent because he refuses to answer some questions but it all to happy to provide responses to others. Indeed, at this point we cannot prove that any of the answers given are even correct - thus undermining "transparency" further.


This and Zhou's other clear indications that he is some sort of criminal gangster shows that Zhou willingly engaged with this person on a "professional" level and despite knowing this, still left highly valuable access instruments within the grasp of such a person.


This thread is full of bullshit from all sides. There are many actors here who are able to throw significant spotlight and clarification on many of the issues but refuse to do so. All this does is arouse suspicion, anger and feelings of powerlessness. This crime is a plague on both houses.


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While all this may be true, it doesn't stop Zhou from filing a police report.  However, no matter how corrupt, the police would probably ask simple questions like "What is his name?, what is his phone number? " etc.  Since Zhou would be unable to provide this, the police would quickly realize Zhou is making this guy up.  You and I can't demand Zhou provide proof, but they would certainly demand proof when Zhou filed an official report.

This is why until Zhou files a police report, a reasonable person has to assume he is making it all up.

I can't believe that was only a week ago - seems like a month ago when I first read that.

It is a bit unusual to release so much information without first speaking to the accused first. Doesn't seem particularly sensible either as it leaves them very exposed legally. Regardless, I can see why you think it's a case of double standards.

The $40K friend and Chen appear to be two separate people is this definitely the case or have I made that conclusion up in my own mind?

Zhou started this thread to provide information about the identity of the MtGox account hacker and he's currently seeking to recover funds totalling over $300,000 from Chen.  It's disingenuous to claim that this thread is solely about the $40,000 and $5,000 currently being held by AurumXchange.  Zhou, as much as anyone, has made it about Chen and the recovery of funds.

This thread doesn't have the capacity to determine whether Zhou is Chen, whether Zhou's friend exists or whether the $40,000 is legitimate money because it doesn't have access to the kind of evidence which would establish those things - we likely never will.

aye, I stopped following about 20 pages back ;p

It's the first post of the other thread. This theead is just Zhou's response to the madness as that thread turned into a witch hunt almost instantly.

There was 40k BTC and 40k USD taken.

ZT stated something along the lines of the BTC being sold at $7.25? was it? (might have to spend a bit more time reading and less time playing public defender to find it)

40k x 7.25 = $290000 + $40k = $330,000

The current retail value of that 40k puts the total at or over $400,000....

I've been looking through the thread but I don't see anything conclusive that says they pointed the finger. I've probably missed it as there are 50 pages.

Did they do the finger pointing first? I.e. they made it public first AND also disclosed private information.

Can I also clarify that this isn't AurumXchange we're talking about here but Bitcoinica?

You seem totally biased.
Yes, someone stole 40k btc and 40k$ or around that figure, in bitcoins and $, which amount if I am correct to around 400k$, and yes, someone connected to Zhou stole that amount.

I am not saying that Zhou did it, I indeed think he did not and is "just" connected to the thief, but please get down from your high horses.

Always good to be sceptical. I'm not trying to spread FUD. Any uncertainty and doubt already exists and if you read my posts, I'm neither for or against ZT so I'd be poor value as a paid sock-puppet.

It would be foolish to accept anything I say as fact because I've no more credibility than the next person but I've not made any claims and I'm unlikely to as I don't have access to any new information.

It's funny how that works. They don't mind libeling and breaking their privacy agreement with a user to make claims that he's a crook publicly, but they don't want to post proof and run off of the forums with their tails between their legs once legal action is threatened. Priceless.

This is a fair point.

I suspect that if there is any additional proof it would only be available from the exchanges. It's unlikely the exchanges are going to make this public any time soon.

That being the case, can ZT give us some indication as to why you've not gone to the Australian police? (If your reasons would make you vulnerable to the angry mob you could at least acknowledge the question).

Agreed that police involvement would appear to scare 'Chen' into co-operating. It's actually also part of the reason why I have doubts as to whether Chen exists. That being said, I believe ZT has additional leverage on Chen (e.g. knowing other information on him/family). It's fair to say there's very little info here and what there is could conceivably be made up (i.e. Chen doesn't exist).

Sure.


Absolutely - it's just that some people aren't just questioning. If people had only questioned and voiced their doubts, we'd have a whole lot more information from ZT. Right now he's probably keeping information to himself in case police involvement prevents him from getting his/his friend's $40K back.

The users funds they are still holding and haven't returned. Until that money is returned they have stolen over 400k USD.