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legendary
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And what contribution exactly did he make to the MAGAZINE? He donated money in 2011 to BitTalk TV which was used in part for the Christmas special. The magazine had yet to have been announced at this point and the money was long gone before any work was started on it. ZERO funds from Zhou have gone into the magazine and he has ZERO stake in the company. That is a fact.

I'll accept that.
vip
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It is ridiculous to assert that Zhou will "spend years in prison".  Even if sufficient evidence was found to warrant criminal charges being pursued, it's utterly unclear right now which country would have jurisdiction and what specific charges would be applicable - and those things greatly influence the type of sentence which would be imposed if prosecution resulted in conviction.

Countries with jurisdiction over this matter includes New Zealand, USA, and any country whose citizens or resident is missing funds that were deposited on Bitcoinica.
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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

I'm not letting him get away with it - I'm hiring a PI to bring him to justice and he will spend years in prison.  "Invasion" will become a nightly thing for him.   Wink

Thanks for producing that quote and showing everyone I never really threatened anyone.

Have a great afternoon!   Smiley

A PI can't "bring him to justice".  At best, they can uncover information which may assist police with an investigation, which may help lawyers prepare a civil action, or which may be useful for liquidators or others investigating the Bitcoinica collapse (and possible information which would be relevant to the AurumXchange AML investigation).

It is ridiculous to assert that Zhou will "spend years in prison".  Even if sufficient evidence was found to warrant criminal charges being pursued, it's utterly unclear right now which country would have jurisdiction and what specific charges would be applicable - and those things greatly influence the type of sentence which would be imposed if prosecution resulted in conviction.
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Look upon me, BitcoinTalk, for I...am...Rarity!
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OK. We got it. Can we get back on topic now?

I sure hope so, dealing with tantrums like that can take it out of me.  Still looking forward to having kids someday though. Smiley
legendary
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You better get used to invasion Zhou, cause it's going to get a lot worse.

Where I come from we don't let people steal half a million dollars and get away with it.

That's all I'm going to say about that anymore, since I'm not going to incriminate myself further.

I'm not letting him get away with it - I'm hiring a PI to bring him to justice and he will spend years in prison.  "Invasion" will become a nightly thing for him.   Wink

Thanks for producing that quote and showing everyone I never really threatened anyone.

Have a great afternoon!   Smiley

As I tried to explain, quoting is pointless.  He now pretends the part of the quote where he admits his actions are criminal did not occur, what is the point of quoting someone who won't take responsibility for their own quotes?

OK. We got it. Can we get back on topic now?
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I hate to break it to you but I work for Bitcoin Magazine. The magazine is in no way supported, bought or even affiliated with Zhou Tong. I'm sure

Are you denying that Zhou made a substantial contribution to your magazine?

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You can say "It's been quoted" again a few times, that doesnt make it true somehow.
I read the whole frickin' story and never saw mlawrence threatening to injure/kill anyone anywhere.

Thank you - I wonder how Maged managed to see something that exists only in Rarity's delusions?

And what contribution exactly did he make to the MAGAZINE? He donated money in 2011 to BitTalk TV which was used in part for the Christmas special. The magazine had yet to have been announced at this point and the money was long gone before any work was started on it. ZERO funds from Zhou have gone into the magazine and he has ZERO stake in the company. That is a fact.
legendary
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It has already been quoted and the mods decided to shut down your thread.  Stop acting like a six year old pretending you can get out of what you did with a tantrum.

What has already been quoted?  You're telling me your only evidence is something that was deleted?  I'm telling you it never happened, and I am of sound mind and body. 

Stop acting like a child and produce the quote or STFU - I have never threatened anybody.

Both of you, stop your private war here. It gets annoying. People who repeatedly write on public message boards are usually not the ones you have to be afraid about. If I was one of the Intersango people, or Zhou Tong, I'd be very worried about the angry people out there who are still trying to get back what belongs to them. Mobs are prejudiced and tend to do stupid things. Whoever is in control should have done anything in their might to prevent that from happening. Someone warned here about the first Bitcoin related violence/worse and I hope it never happens, but seriously, Bitcoin is money and money is Bitcoin. It wouldn't be different from any other crime related to money. Bitcoin has never been innocent by the way, or did you guys forget about silk road already?
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I am owed 44.21 BTC from Amir, Donald, Patrick, Tihan, and Zhou. I don't think I will ever get it back, even or precisely because legal proceedings are going forward. Please make a donation here and I will post your name on the board. Thank you! My former bitcoinica deposit address for donations: 1ET2ps7BRrZnDeq7bVNc8bS9ZmgN8DxUXy

I will boycott the London Bitcoin conference. Too many dicks on the dancefloor.
legendary
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You can say "It's been quoted" again a few times, that doesnt make it true somehow.
I read the whole frickin' story and never saw mlawrence threatening to injure/kill anyone anywhere.

You might have interpreted it that way, but thats not the fault of the poster.

Sorry to say, but it was the mods who acted on BS-reasons here, which makes the whole forum start smelling fishy.


And to make that clear:
I don't give a shit if Zhou was the hacker, or a mysterious relic collector, or Obama himself,
i just blame the Bitcoin(ica) Consultancy/Intersango guys instead,
they were in charge, they told us "he didn't steal your money, but ours, we'll pay you back", yet they didn't,
they don't react at all anymore to anyone, they just ran away with our money.

They treated their customers like shit and probably still do.
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The problem I see is that the forum, the bitcoin magazine, and every other bitcoin outlet out there has been bought and paid for by Zhou Tong. He was smart that way. Whatever information you are able to produce, will be dismissed by the forum.

You can clearly see that people like Rarity, Matthew and Maged have received, and/or continue to receive, stolen funds to quell any uprising.

It's unfortunate that this theft has split the community the way it has.  Sad

I hate to break it to you but I work for Bitcoin Magazine. The magazine is in no way supported, bought or even affiliated with Zhou Tong. I'm sure if you will follow my posts you can see that I have been in favor of getting to the bottom of this without prejudice. I find the notion that you or someone else would consider us as bought by Zhou, insulting on many levels. You are insinuating that we do not have journalistic integrity, which if you read the article on our website about this incident you will see just how wrong you are.

Matthew is Matthew and his statements are in no way to be considered as representing the magazine unless he explicitly says so.
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The problem I see is that the forum, the bitcoin magazine, and every other bitcoin outlet out there has been bought and paid for by Zhou Tong. He was smart that way. Whatever information you are able to produce, will be dismissed by the forum.

You can clearly see that people like Rarity, Matthew and Maged have received, and/or continue to receive, stolen funds to quell any uprising.

It's unfortunate that this theft has split the community the way it has.  Sad

I'm not sure why how "the forum" regards information is relevant if the purpose of retaining a private investigator is to obtain location information so that those who wish to file criminal or civil complaints are able to set those complaints in motion.  The validity of those complaints isn't going to be investigated by "the forum" (which is divided on the issues anyway), so whether the forum dismisses the information is largely irrelevant anyway.
legendary
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It is so ironic that nameterrific ads are appearing on this thread.

 
newbie
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Great image, Kevin!

http://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000000259852-e40a8d-crop.jpg?d699587

According to this http://soundcloud.com/brainopera/following, you're in NY. Have you tried out Meze Grill? And, would you be so kind as to go over the OnlyOne studios and give an interview on how you're going to return all the stolen Bitcoinica funds? While there, don't forget to exchange BlowBobs.

~Bruno~


ZT, don't tell me you are an Obama fan, seriously?  

Smiley

I am trying to imagine how Obama would "free" Tibet without drone striking the entire region.

hero member
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Great image, Kevin!



According to this http://soundcloud.com/brainopera/following, you're in NY. Have you tried out Meze Grill? And, would you be so kind as to go over the OnlyOne studios and give an interview on how you're going to return all the stolen Bitcoinica funds? While there, don't forget to exchange BlowBobs.

~Bruno~


ZT, don't tell me you are an Obama fan, seriously? 

Smiley
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I think that at this point we can safely move away from the idea that Zhou Tong is some 17-year-old kid. I believe that the only reason funds are trickling back is because Kevin Lim has a lot at stake, and it's his reputation that is at risk, not a made-up avatar named Zhou Tong.

Now, who is going to be the first to disprove that Zhou Tong = Kevin Lim?

~Bruno~


I and the user dishwara already figured this out at page 22 and 23, post #427 and #452.

You, the "we", are more than late.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1063040

There is a ghost writer following the instructions of another person which dictates every answer.


Once we get an consensus that Kevin Lim = Zhou Tong, we can move on to who's in cahoots with him.

~Bruno~
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
Great image, Kevin!



According to this http://soundcloud.com/brainopera/following, you're in NY. Have you tried out Meze Grill? And, would you be so kind as to go over the OnlyOne studios and give an interview on how you're going to return all the stolen Bitcoinica funds? While there, don't forget to exchange BlowBobs.

Quick aside, yet related: You got a really... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4LnfkdJDM&feature=player_detailpage#t=238s

~Bruno~
vip
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I think that at this point we can safely move away from the idea that Zhou Tong is some 17-year-old kid. I believe that the only reason funds are trickling back is because Kevin Lim has a lot at stake, and it's his reputation that is at risk, not a made-up avatar named Zhou Tong.

Now, who is going to be the first to disprove that Zhou Tong = Kevin Lim?

~Bruno~


I and the user dishwara already figured this out at page 22 and 23, post #427 and #452.

You, the "we", are more than late.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1063040

There is a ghost writer following the instructions of another person which dictates every answer.



legendary
Activity: 1918
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I think that at this point we can safely move away from the idea that Zhou Tong is some 17-year-old kid. I believe that the only reason funds are trickling back is because Kevin Lim has a lot at stake, and it's his reputation that is at risk, not a made-up avatar named Zhou Tong.

Now, who is going to be the first to disprove that Zhou Tong = Kevin Lim?

~Bruno~
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Evidence or no evidence, it shouldnt matter at all after reading the fact that he did business with a known criminal(Zhou even told us this).
What are your feelings on asking Kevin Mitnick for some advice on your company before going live?

At the same time his website: http://www.sgitcoin.com/ under Disclaimer proudly states they dont encourage criminal activity.
I've never seen a single shred of evidence that SGITCOIN.COM was involved in any illegal activity.

Why anyone still wants to believe anything comine from Zhou is remarkable.
I'm still not seeing any evidence, just lots of people butthurt at Bitcoinica LP who are looking for a scapegoat and using Zhou's eagerness for transparency against him. The most ridiculous party in all of this is AurumXChange who if it weren't for the fact that no one involved in bitcoinica wants an investigation, would be sued up the ass for the little stunt they pulled in that other thread.

1) Discussing an active investigation carries a sentence of up to 10 years

2) Holding funds for more than 7 days without an active investigation is also illegal

3) Publicly discussing the details of their customers is unlawful as a breach of their customer privacy agreement

Even one of the confirming parties told me that they had -no- clue Roberto was going to be posting this stuff publicly as they -know- that is unlawful and potentially illegal. The only reason AurumXchange isn't commenting is because they finally figured out how screwed they are.

How much is sugardaddy paying you for posting all this bs?
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Hi Zhou,

I think there was one question that you didn't answer from one of my earlier emails. You said you could recover 20k BTC and to date have recovered 15k BTC. Are you still able to recover the other 5k BTC?

Yes. I'm recovering the first 15k BTC to show "good faith" and "co-operation". The remaining will be recovered after all the fiat has been recovered. The fiat money is the most legally sensitive part of this deal, and it should have taken place before Bitcoin.
If the fiat should have been returned first, why did you send 15k BTC? As you say, you did it to show "good faith" and "co-operation". However it just seems like you are buying time and delaying yet again. If you were able to recover 20k BTC, what possible reason have you (or "Chen") for keeping 5k of it for any length of time?

Public clarification #2
AurumXchange is possessing $5,000 of Bitcoinica's stolen funds at the moment. Also the total income from other Chen Jianhai's money laundering transactions is estimated to be about $2,200, calculated from the data provided by AurumXchange.
Are these money laundering transactions income for "Chen" or income for AurumXchange? If they are income for AurumXchange, are you suggesting that they refund "Chen" for the cost of his money laundering?!

Since I assume that you do your best, I also assume you will transfer all recovered funds (140.000) and not retain anything to cover your friend until this AurumXchange issue is solved. Am I right?
That was just a proposal, or you can say it's a way to make AurumXchange comfortable of not freezing the funds. I will be sure to take legal advice before I do that.
"Just a proposal" in which you intend to hold 140,000 of recovered fund ransom so that AurumXchange will release your "friends" funds?

I'm trying to do good and help people, but people don't give any merit to that.
Because some people believe that you are only "trying to do good" after being found out. Whether true or not, that is the fact of the matter.

1) AurumXchange has never once contacted Zhou by any of his accessible emails with their contact information.
Unless you have exclusive access to these email accounts, you cannot possibly be sure of this.

AurumXchange have publicly asked Zhou to send them his contact/business information and state that he is yet to do so.

3) Zhou Tong had already known this Chen character previously and thus knew his phone number. The Chen guy used a stolen credit card and entered Zhou's throw-away as the order address, giving Zhou basically an invoice proving everything which was used to threaten Chen who had no clue anyone was paying attention to his fraud or theft.
And what tangible evidence is there of this?

4) Zhou Tong has never hidden anything and has all the right in the world to be uberly depressed at the lynch mob in this thread.
This is something that will not be provably known for some time, maybe never.

He is working with a lawyer right now so this thread is basically pointless.
Trying to shut down the discussion with the threat of legal eagles getting involved is irrelevant at best.


BB.
legendary
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Uhh, because there seems to be a lot of FUD continuously pushed by the lynch mob, here are the facts:


1) AurumXchange has never once contacted Zhou by any of his accessible emails with their contact information.

2) AurumXchange publicly admitted to never having had frozen funds before, proved they don't care about their own privacy agreement with users, etc, and gives no reason for Zhou to work with them directly (not to mention they still haven't given him their contact information). It's better if the attorney works with them directly.

3) Zhou Tong had already known this Chen character previously and thus knew his phone number. The Chen guy used a stolen credit card and entered Zhou's throw-away as the order address, giving Zhou basically an invoice proving everything which was used to threaten Chen who had no clue anyone was paying attention to his fraud or theft.

4) Zhou Tong has never hidden anything and has all the right in the world to be uberly depressed at the lynch mob in this thread. He is working with a lawyer right now so this thread is basically pointless.


A list of Kevin Lim's favorites on Twitter. Prepare to be shocked: http://favstar.fm/users/brainopera
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