Statement about the suspect of recent Bitcoinica hack - page 24.

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Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:41:09 AM

Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:37:16 AM

Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.

Bingo. EQUAL.

Therefore Chen is Zhou's friend/buddy/business partner/associate.

No. An OR statement does not imply that it is all at once. That is an AND statement.

In fact, in speech and writing, an OR statement is also often exclusive; i.e., it implies that it is not two or more of the terms at once. This isn't the case here, but your conclusion is still fallacious.

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Quote from: Vod on July 31, 2012, 09:44:45 AM

Chen = Zhou. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

I agree. Zhou refuses to file a police report.

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Chen = Zhou. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:37:16 AM

Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.

Bingo. EQUAL.

Therefore Chen is Zhou's friend/buddy/business partner/associate.

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:37:16 AM

Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

Better than you.

Why are you even replying if you have no clue?

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Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:36:11 AM

Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:33:10 AM

Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:31:53 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 31, 2012, 09:27:27 AM

Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2

someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner

Key word: OR.

or 1 (ôr; r when unstressed)
a. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.

Back to school?

Are you even fluent in English? How does that have anything to do with this?

The penultimate term means nothing. All terms are equal in an OR statement.

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:33:10 AM

Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:31:53 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 31, 2012, 09:27:27 AM

Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2

someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner

Key word: OR.

or 1 (ôr; r when unstressed)
a. Used to indicate an alternative, usually only before the last term of a series: hot or cold; this, that, or the other.

Back to school?

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Quote from: Mike Jones on July 31, 2012, 09:31:27 AM

Can't you guys get a subpoena going?

I do not exclude the possibility that we might have access to the data at a later stage (obtained, for example, as you suggest), but for the moment, as far as I know, we do not have it.

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Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:31:53 AM

Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 31, 2012, 09:27:27 AM

Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2

someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner

Key word: OR.

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Quote from: Matthew N. Wright on July 31, 2012, 09:27:27 AM

Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

I guess your English is bad.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/associate_2

someone who is closely connected to another person as a companion, friend or business partner

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Quote from: lonelyminer (Peter Šurda) on July 31, 2012, 09:29:26 AM

Quote from: Maged on July 31, 2012, 09:21:42 AM

Really? Because I'm a creditor and I don't ever recall authorizing that.

Since we have no access to Bitcoinica data, we do not know how to contact individual creditors.

Can't you guys get a subpoena going?

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:18:48 AM

Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:16:09 AM

Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:08:26 AM

So he's not interested in Bitcoin's success, eh? Well, that explains blowing his cover by selling his coins the very next day.

Bullshit.

And that's your evidence? BULLSHIT.

What's yours? Oh, wait, also bullshit.

Both explanations are terrible. I believe mine to be better.

Really? Are you being on purpose silly?

Here is my evidence.

Zhou's account was used to steal money.
Zhou's knowledge of bitcoinica was used.
Zhou knew the lastpass password.
Zhou's was money laundering through aurumxchange (transferring money for a friend IS money laundering)

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Quote from: Maged on July 31, 2012, 09:21:42 AM

Really? Because I'm a creditor and I don't ever recall authorizing that.

I don't see you on the Bitcoinica Fund Recovery Initiative claim list, nor do I recall you contacting me. I posted several times in different places that people should contact me if they want to be included in the legal action:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1050392
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/class-action-litigation-vs-bitcoinica-consultancy-ltd-intersango-ltd-93109

Since we have no access to Bitcoinica data, we do not know how to contact individual creditors.

Based on my understanding of the outstanding debt, the sum of the claims on our list represent the majority of the claims.

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Quote from: Vod on July 31, 2012, 08:59:13 AM

Quote from: lonelyminer (Peter Šurda) on July 31, 2012, 08:57:35 AM

Quote from: BitBuster on July 31, 2012, 07:48:10 AM

I'm not talking about permission from Bitcoinica/Intersango, I'm talking about a legal warrant that allows him to do what would otherwise be considered a criminal act.

Since Bitcoinica did not file a police report (as far as I know), from legal point of view there is no reason to assume there is a criminal act involved. Technically, Bitcoinica's computers were (allegedly) compromised. That would be the criminal act if it was reported.

ZT did not file charges against his "friend" either. If I had a friend who took a large sum of money and made it look like I did it, I would report that right away. I certainly wouldn't protect my friend's identity. Cheesy

Oh so he didn't say friend, you're just adding that part yourself? And he didn't protect his identity either and basically told everyone here exactly who it was?

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Chinese law enforcement can't investigate this as much as you guys would want them too. I suggest hiring a Private I. in this case and getting the evidence through them.

The Chinese are known for bureaucracy like no other.

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Quote from: lonelyminer (Peter Šurda) on July 31, 2012, 07:22:30 AM

Quote from: BitBuster on July 31, 2012, 06:55:53 AM

I note that in his most recent response (which actually tells us nothing new), Patrick has again neglected to tell us if he has obtained a warrant for his actions and what he is permitted to do. As you should all be able to tell, this is a pretty important area of ambiguity that needs clarification. Please answer the question Patrick.

Patrick acted upon the request of Bitcoinica's creditors. Since Bitcoinica, to our best knowledge, did not file a police report, nor seems to care whether the funds are returned to the creditors or not, it might be possible to argue that the creditors are the legitimate owners.

Really? Because I'm a creditor and I don't ever recall authorizing that.

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:08:26 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on July 31, 2012, 09:01:56 AM

Please click always on this below if it appears:

"Advertisement: Bitcoin is worth $10 each on NameTerrific."

I don't want to see this every time and we should protect Newbies. Grin

There is nothing wrong with NameTerrific.

Indeed it is brand new! BUT I would not trust the person behind this business because the whole story smells like bullshit.

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Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 09:16:09 AM

Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:08:26 AM

So he's not interested in Bitcoin's success, eh? Well, that explains blowing his cover by selling his coins the very next day.

Bullshit.

And that's your evidence? BULLSHIT.

What's yours? Oh, wait, also bullshit.

Both explanations are terrible. I believe mine to be better.

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Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 09:08:26 AM

So he's not interested in Bitcoin's success, eh? Well, that explains blowing his cover by selling his coins the very next day.

Bullshit.

And that's your evidence? BULLSHIT.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on July 31, 2012, 09:01:56 AM

Please click always on this below if it appears:

"Advertisement: Bitcoin is worth $10 each on NameTerrific."

I don't want to see this every time and we should protect Newbies. Grin

There is nothing wrong with NameTerrific.

Quote from: vampire on July 31, 2012, 08:56:05 AM

Quote from: dree12 on July 31, 2012, 08:51:34 AM

Quote from: BitBuster on July 31, 2012, 08:49:11 AM

Typing something as Truth does not make it so. Especially when up against the array of evidence, means and motive to the contrary. Not forgetting Zhou's prime bullshit storytelling.

BB.

This applies to you as well. Need I point out again the array of evidence that Zhou did not steal the funds?

Sure. Since I don't remember you posting any evidence. The only thing you posted as evidence that zhou is interested in bitcoin's success, which I already proved to be wrong.

So he's not interested in Bitcoin's success, eh? Well, that explains blowing his cover by selling his coins the very next day.

Bullshit.

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