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legendary
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September 06, 2023, 10:59:59 AM
I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.
Well, VPN usage have cost several gamblers money they never did expect they would lose, I personally deleted all the VPN apps I had on my devices after seeing several complaint about casino locking account and seizing funds simply because the user used VPN to access and play on the casino, I did this so that I will never make the mistake of forgetting that my VPN is still on, and then log into my casino account and start playing, and for fact that I have no important use for VPN after all did encourage me to do this..

Some, or should I say most online gambling casinos are like hungry lions, lying in wait for her supposed scape goat to come by so they can make the goat their prey, and the worst part is, they show no mercy,  a casino that have stated that accessing their platform through VPN is prohibited, will not look back when confiscating all the fund in the account, even when the users choice of using VPN did not affect them or their business in any way, they will still proceed to confiscate all your fund on the account that rules are rules ..

Some dubious casino even don't say anything about VPN usage in their terms of service, but when the find out a user is using VPN to play on their casino, they would quietly include the VPN restriction rule in their terms of service and then go after the users, this is majorly why I don't access casinos with VPN, whether the casino allows it or not, better safe than sorry .
legendary
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September 06, 2023, 10:31:53 AM
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why you would really be using VPN if you could be able to play on your own without using those?
Hiding identity or IP or simply just you dont like for your location to be exposed? Its true that it would be better on playing without having these things so that they wont really be having a reason for them to throw on
It can be a complicated consideration for someone in some cases. For example, you actively get passive benefits that are proven promising such as staking or dividends, while unfortunately a new casino rule must prohibit you from next week according to your new state policy so that their business remains from legal sanctions. As a result, this change of rule will clearly harm you.

But for compulsive gamblers, they will try to break through restrictions, especially when it is a favorite platform for a long time, an easy solution is to use VPN.

Well, there are many ways to think that the use of the VPN is for bad things, but no, if I, for example, really like being anonymous and being completely anonymous, without leaving traces that can secure me, if I wanted to enter a casino with the same protocol that is used to enter the deepweb, well the casino should accept it, I want to enter like this and neither the casino nor any country should restrict me the way I want to enter, I don't see it well, so they do all this governments with the intention of taking control, not just because players are compulsive and want to do something like that, no, if a player is compulsive and wants to do something similar with or without VPN, they will do it, the technological tools are made is to use them and that is just that governments, banks, third parties, among others, do not like it, so sometimes people think that a VPN is only for doing evil and no, you have to change the approach a bit with respect to that , that sometimes you want to enter a casino, from a country that is prohibited, yes, because the right to have fun should never be diminished, it is a right, I could not say someone who is sitting on a throne or something like that.

I have used the VPN and many times, uff too many, not only for casinos, for excahnges, for many other things, and nothing bad happens, so Sometimes people's Perceptions are Inadequate.


We as gamers do want to enter a gaming Platform using the VPN, we can do it , Perhaps with that we avoid the way that they give our location through VPN, and that for a hacker because it is difficult, and everything to avoid robberies, taking, for me it is welcome, and of course, they are tools that should not be left there, without using them, if they are had it is for use and to give them a correct use, that is why I say something, the time will come for casinos to accept  They are all in their entirety that players from prohibited countries can enter, because there are too many clients that they leave or Outside.

You make good points about VPNs, notably privacy and security. You're right, but only partially. VPNs provide additional security, especially in cryptocurrency exchanges where anonymity can defend against threats. Its not just for bad things; its crucial to our digital toolkit. The claim that casinos or governments shouldnt prohibit its use is complicated.

Remember that restrictions are there for a purpose. The main goals are fraud prevention, anti-money laundering, and responsible gaming. Although obsessive behavior will exist, VPNs inhibit a significant amount of illegal activity. Its not about governments "liking" VPNs; its about transaction trust and legality.

Yes, of course, what happens is that this reminds me a lot when casinos and many sites were made, the advantages of doing a KYC, which was for the same thing, I really have a very particular point of view because I know more or less that This is what governments are looking for, they always bring out these things to make a KYC look good and to make it look like the best option, of course, but the contras don't say it either, that anonymity ends, there is no privacy anymore, and there are people who don't care. They like that, they defend their privacy, they love their anonymity, in itself, what governments are looking for with this is a way to control what they cannot control, they know that if they know who people are using crypto, it is easier to catch them so that pay taxes, so what I base it on is, Satoshi left us Bitcoin, Blockchain technology so that we would be free from any controlled system, and we collaborate to accept things like this? That is what many people see, and from their own experience it is known that these things are not sold to protect the user, nor to do them good, those are the excuses that they make so that in a very diplomatic way they force them to that they have to do it, but they don't say what they really want, I do have a lot of experience with governments and banks that are like that, I know what they are looking for, I know what they want, that is why the KYC policies are not their fault of the casinos, but of the same regulations that are always there.

There are casinos that are not so demanding with the KYC, that have many things to obtain a good Service , Consequently , When it comes to these Things , Many Times they do not Understand it , and the truth is that I do not know , but a casino at least Adapts Government Conditions is much better, it should be more valued and it should be seen with more desire to get ahead , because Obviously it has more Freedoms, but to get certain licenses they have to stick to it , for example there are some licenses that do not allow users from other Countries , which seems to me a very bad and undignified act, but that's how it is.
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September 05, 2023, 05:30:28 PM
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The gamblers from the restricted country are forced to use the VPN to taste the gambling.The gamblers from the rest of the countries should not use the VPN in their game,because it’s never good for them.Because on finding the website will ban their account for sure,So all the dollars may be lose.Some casino will not ask the KYC in your country itself,you need to spend some time to find that casino.So you can play the gambling without any vpn,which is good for your account.Because account ban will get all your money without any reason,which will be the big pain for the gamblers.Only you don’t care about the ban,you can use of the VPN.But using the gambling site without the VPN will be the better option.
However, those from restricted countries should be careful about using a VPN because it can cause problems down the line. They can't go around spending big money to gamble because their country's status prohibits gambling. If the casino finds out, maybe the gambling account will be immediately blocked, and they cannot withdraw the remaining money in the gambling account. It is better that they only deposit the small amount of money they can afford for gambling so that if there is a problem, it won't sadden them that they lost money in the casino. We must be aware of this and not let it be because we come from a country where gambling is prohibited, and we use a VPN to gamble in the casino. Many other casinos may allow us to gamble, and we also don't need to use a VPN to visit the casino. But it is their choice, and we can only suggest the best to them.
hero member
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September 04, 2023, 10:33:07 AM
^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.
I currently making an account on Stake.com and I read the TOS which is you are right about, there is no state there regarding VPN but I think if you are in the US you can use VPN based on many articles that I have read.
I asked the Stake.com team regarding this and this is what I have got, they strongly discourage using VPNs.

Reading TOS is much better before using the casino.
The part in that Stake.com team's reply that says, "we  never suggest users to use VPN for anything other than their protection, but if you want to use it, we can not stop you.' This statement is very technical as they have already detached themselves from any problem that may arise with your account by your use of VPN.

 The "if" there for those that still will want to go on to use VPN implies that despite their not stopping you from using it you should be ready to claim responsibility of any loss or errors that may occur therewith. And by this they are backed by law to lay claims that may lead to the seizure of such VPN users funds in the account.

Gamblers should stick to a casino ToS to avoid long drama that may arise, if a casino's ToS are not sitting well with you you can check the next casino that meet your craving but make sure to be one with a good reputation.
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September 04, 2023, 10:07:33 AM


I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.

There are instances where they allow it but then suddenly there is a change in their terms and you are not aware of it, and you are accused of breaking the rules, to avoid this headache better subscribe to their newsletter and check their terms from time to time, the casino is proactive they will not consider that you are not aware of the change of terms.

I remember there was one accusation where the issue was the change of terms about the use of VPN and the complainant had a hard time recovering the funds, as much as possible do away with VPN if your country is not part of the restricted countries, you have to follow the rules all the time and always be aware of your action that will have a reason for the casino to accuse you of breaking their rules.
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September 04, 2023, 10:04:06 AM

It is better not to use a VPN or your gambling account will be suspected of doing activities the casino prohibits. However, some people still want to cheat against the casino even though they know the consequences, namely that the casino will block their account. If your country is prohibited from gambling at that casino, you should look for another casino that does not prohibit people from your country from gambling at that casino. It is up to us to find the casino by looking for the one that suits us to avoid any future problems. Maybe we are still fine right now, but who can guarantee that we will still be comfortable playing on that site?

The gamblers from the restricted country are forced to use the VPN to taste the gambling.The gamblers from the rest of the countries should not use the VPN in their game,because it’s never good for them.Because on finding the website will ban their account for sure,So all the dollars may be lose.Some casino will not ask the KYC in your country itself,you need to spend some time to find that casino.So you can play the gambling without any vpn,which is good for your account.Because account ban will get all your money without any reason,which will be the big pain for the gamblers.Only you don’t care about the ban,you can use of the VPN.But using the gambling site without the VPN will be the better option.
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September 04, 2023, 09:56:12 AM
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
I agree no cheating should be done using VPN as it further degrades the quality of gambling sites. Many countries around the world do not allow access to gambling sites, but gamblers can easily access gambling sites by using a VPN. It's important to note that a VPN cannot protect you from this. If you have created an account without VPN for gambling, or created an account with VPN and logged in again and again without VPN, then the company may deactivate your account on suspicion of spam. Accessing a site with a VPN is a punishable offense if a site is state off or illegal.
It is better not to use a VPN or your gambling account will be suspected of doing activities the casino prohibits. However, some people still want to cheat against the casino even though they know the consequences, namely that the casino will block their account. If your country is prohibited from gambling at that casino, you should look for another casino that does not prohibit people from your country from gambling at that casino. It is up to us to find the casino by looking for the one that suits us to avoid any future problems. Maybe we are still fine right now, but who can guarantee that we will still be comfortable playing on that site?
legendary
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September 04, 2023, 12:22:41 AM
I would only be wary of VPN concessions not being explicitly written on the user terms page although support may write that elsewhere. When problem solving has to be handled by handing over identities, it becomes a new problem if it's basically a country on the list of restrictions. For shady casinos, this might be an opportunity to cancel out a big win.
Absolutely true. If the TOS explicitly prohibit the use of VPNs, it's advisable to not use it and to avoid potential problems with your account, such as being flagged or locked and even if the TOS does not mention VPN usage, less reputable casinos might invalidate huge wins due to VPN usage as you already mentioned.

I have never done this myself, as I tend to adhere strictly to the ToS. Then it is not surprising to see threads in the Scam Accusations section, where members accuse houses of scamming where you end up knowing that those members broke the rules in one way or another, as could be in this case playing from a country where it is forbidden (explicitly excluded in the ToS) and doing it with VPN to mask where they are playing from.
hero member
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September 03, 2023, 11:39:03 PM
I agree no cheating should be done using VPN as it further degrades the quality of gambling sites. Many countries around the world do not allow access to gambling sites, but gamblers can easily access gambling sites by using a VPN. It's important to note that a VPN cannot protect you from this. If you have created an account without VPN for gambling, or created an account with VPN and logged in again and again without VPN, then the company may deactivate your account on suspicion of spam. Accessing a site with a VPN is a punishable offense if a site is state off or illegal.
Creating gambling accounts with VPN is mostly not safe because you're about putting your accounts on a risks of 50/50. Cheating in gambling? Is it even possible for one to cheat in gambling. Perhaps there are important ways were we tend to find out the crucial ways to gamble with ease efforts, mostly preferring to online gambling. VPN are important in countries were the individuals there finds it difficult to gamble on games due to restricted measures place on gambling. It's important we tend to anticipate in what works for us and definitely not the activities that would make us lose money steadily.
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September 03, 2023, 07:35:16 PM
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I agree no cheating should be done using VPN as it further degrades the quality of gambling sites. Many countries around the world do not allow access to gambling sites, but gamblers can easily access gambling sites by using a VPN. It's important to note that a VPN cannot protect you from this. If you have created an account without VPN for gambling, or created an account with VPN and logged in again and again without VPN, then the company may deactivate your account on suspicion of spam. Accessing a site with a VPN is a punishable offense if a site is state off or illegal.

We can’t say for sure,the gamblers who using the VPN re going to scam the gambling site.Because in some countries the casino and gambling site was banned,in such countries people may use the VPN for the game play.Only few VPN help to hide you from the gambling site,the rest will not.So some gambling site will find you easily.Even they will do ban your gambling account for the involvement of VPN usage.If you use multiple account in the same browser,you may get capture by some gambling site.So don’t use multiple accounts first,if you are forced to use multiple accounts.You can try of using accounts on different browsers for your safety.
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September 03, 2023, 12:48:47 AM
#98
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
I agree no cheating should be done using VPN as it further degrades the quality of gambling sites. Many countries around the world do not allow access to gambling sites, but gamblers can easily access gambling sites by using a VPN. It's important to note that a VPN cannot protect you from this. If you have created an account without VPN for gambling, or created an account with VPN and logged in again and again without VPN, then the company may deactivate your account on suspicion of spam. Accessing a site with a VPN is a punishable offense if a site is state off or illegal.
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September 02, 2023, 09:25:31 AM
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This is the importance of reading the terms and agreement, adding with the FaQs so you can get an idea if the VPN is supported for the platform, if they support the use of the VPN make sure your VPN only has one IP address most likely cause is the users makes a different country to login with their account consider with different IP giving by their VPN and those login make suspicious to the platform and possible they tag the account as suspicious activity and possible freeze even the balance of it. But if you are registered in just single iP and once get detected still the same there's might a lower chance that your account still safe.
Once our account is detected as suspicious, we will certainly get in trouble and the worst thing to happen is to seize our funds. It was a violation of their rules which we don't have to break because the consequence is harsh which we really have to regret in the end. I think even some people do it successfully but I don't encourage doing it. We might not caught now or tomorrow as we are very careful of our IP and gadgets we use but can't be sure in the coming days.
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September 02, 2023, 09:22:50 AM
#96
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
If the casino allow your country and only your local ISP are prohibit you to enter the casino, some of casinos already have mirror site, so you don't have to use VPN. There are some Web 3.0 casino or small casino that usually haven't yet get restricted by government.

Obviously using VPN has nothing to do with luck.
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September 02, 2023, 08:42:11 AM
#95
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
It is simply because your country is restricted and you are trying to access the site even if you are not allowed in the first place, again you have to play by the rules and if you are not allowed to gamble then better not to try. There are cases already that those who gamble using VPN suffer from a loss because the site caught then and they can’t withdraw their money anymore because they violated the rules in the first place.
@Johnyz is correct because it could harm us later if the casino finds out that we have used a VPN to be able to play gambling at the casino. And when we win big, we may be asked to do KYC, especially if we are from a country where gambling is prohibited and we are using a VPN. Therefore, it is better for us to find a casino that allows us to use a VPN to avoid future problems. We can also look for other casinos that accept our country so we don't need to use a VPN at all. And when we do KYC, we can also directly provide the documents to the casino.
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September 02, 2023, 03:35:35 AM
#94
This is the importance of reading the terms and agreement, adding with the FaQs so you can get an idea if the VPN is supported for the platform, if they support the use of the VPN make sure your VPN only has one IP address most likely cause is the users makes a different country to login with their account consider with different IP giving by their VPN and those login make suspicious to the platform and possible they tag the account as suspicious activity and possible freeze even the balance of it. But if you are registered in just single iP and once get detected still the same there's might a lower chance that your account still safe.
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September 02, 2023, 12:23:10 AM
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why you would really be using VPN if you could be able to play on your own without using those?
Hiding identity or IP or simply just you dont like for your location to be exposed? Its true that it would be better on playing without having these things so that they wont really be having a reason for them to throw on
It can be a complicated consideration for someone in some cases. For example, you actively get passive benefits that are proven promising such as staking or dividends, while unfortunately a new casino rule must prohibit you from next week according to your new state policy so that their business remains from legal sanctions. As a result, this change of rule will clearly harm you.

But for compulsive gamblers, they will try to break through restrictions, especially when it is a favorite platform for a long time, an easy solution is to use VPN.

Well, there are many ways to think that the use of the VPN is for bad things, but no, if I, for example, really like being anonymous and being completely anonymous, without leaving traces that can secure me, if I wanted to enter a casino with the same protocol that is used to enter the deepweb, well the casino should accept it, I want to enter like this and neither the casino nor any country should restrict me the way I want to enter, I don't see it well, so they do all this governments with the intention of taking control, not just because players are compulsive and want to do something like that, no, if a player is compulsive and wants to do something similar with or without VPN, they will do it, the technological tools are made is to use them and that is just that governments, banks, third parties, among others, do not like it, so sometimes people think that a VPN is only for doing evil and no, you have to change the approach a bit with respect to that , that sometimes you want to enter a casino, from a country that is prohibited, yes, because the right to have fun should never be diminished, it is a right, I could not say someone who is sitting on a throne or something like that.

I have used the VPN and many times, uff too many, not only for casinos, for excahnges, for many other things, and nothing bad happens, so Sometimes people's Perceptions are Inadequate.


We as gamers do want to enter a gaming Platform using the VPN, we can do it , Perhaps with that we avoid the way that they give our location through VPN, and that for a hacker because it is difficult, and everything to avoid robberies, taking, for me it is welcome, and of course, they are tools that should not be left there, without using them, if they are had it is for use and to give them a correct use, that is why I say something, the time will come for casinos to accept  They are all in their entirety that players from prohibited countries can enter, because there are too many clients that they leave or Outside.

You make good points about VPNs, notably privacy and security. You're right, but only partially. VPNs provide additional security, especially in cryptocurrency exchanges where anonymity can defend against threats. Its not just for bad things; its crucial to our digital toolkit. The claim that casinos or governments shouldnt prohibit its use is complicated.

Remember that restrictions are there for a purpose. The main goals are fraud prevention, anti-money laundering, and responsible gaming. Although obsessive behavior will exist, VPNs inhibit a significant amount of illegal activity. Its not about governments "liking" VPNs; its about transaction trust and legality.
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September 01, 2023, 05:18:19 PM
#92
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
It is simply because your country is restricted and you are trying to access the site even if you are not allowed in the first place, again you have to play by the rules and if you are not allowed to gamble then better not to try. There are cases already that those who gamble using VPN suffer from a loss because the site caught then and they can’t withdraw their money anymore because they violated the rules in the first place.
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September 01, 2023, 05:13:38 PM
#91
I don't use VPNs for stuff like that. It's just counterintuitive especially when it comes to dealing with centralized crypto casinos like stake, they'd literally ask you for identification including a proof of residency, there's no point in "using a VPN to throw them off" when your static IP stays the same all throughout. I'm not saying you should stop using VPNs altogether, as they work really well if you're looking for content that is region blocked like movies on netflix and whatnot, but beyond that? I don't see any good reason really.

For one it just slows your internet connection down since now it has to be rerouted into a proxy server before you could do your normal google searching, on the other hand it's a massive hassle to work with even if it just takes "one click".
For people tht have high urge for gambling, it might be very difficult for them to comply to some certain rules even though there region is restricted from using a particular gambling site. If they are enjoying some benefits from the site especially there favorite games and good winnings, they would have to look for other means like using VPN to make sure that they keep enjoying the benefits they had been having since. It is very hard for some people to leave an be old gambling platform they had been using for a long time for another one. Some persons don't easily adapt.
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September 01, 2023, 05:13:03 PM
#90
play by the rules, but some countries do prohibit entering gambling sites so they use a VPN to access gambling websites. it doesn't matter, there should be no cheating in using a vpn . it has no impact on their assets, wins or losses. it's just that some people think it's like cheating.
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September 01, 2023, 04:48:06 PM
#89
There are game providers that block a country even though the player is not in a restricted region.  That is the reason for some players why they use VPN. But as for me, I won't dare to use a VPN just to access a certain game provider.  It is better to be safe than sorry.
^ This ! I experienced the issue on Pragmatic Play provider but lately I found out that some local gambling sites now allows Pragmatic Play with no issues. When I say local gambling sites, it means they only accept digital payment methods which are mostly available here in my country.

Good thing that some of them now allows USDT. Who knows? Maybe they will also consider BTC and other cryptos soon. It will still be better if I can play the said provider in my favorite crypto casinos because I'm more confident with them and I have less or no doubts at all that the game results are being manipulated. Another reason on why a gambler can use a VPN is due to connection issues.
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