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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

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What do you think?

I read the TOS and didn't see anything there about using VPN. Nevertheless, I am not against working with casinos via VPN. The fact is that this does not carry risks, because the VPN stream is also encrypted, and stealing your data from it is not as easy as it seems. I use several personal VPNs, because in my country there is very strict censorship in relation to casinos, even for access to Bitcointalk you need a VPN, not to mention Roobet, Stake and other gambling sites. It is annoying that VPN often stop working and they need to be changed. But for this I use WireGuard.

If there is nothing about using a VPN, you can still use a VPN. But you have to be careful with your country's regulations because I noticed very strict censorship regarding casinos. Don't get yourself in trouble with your government for using a VPN to access casinos or other sites.

It's really annoying if there are restrictions from our country in accessing anything on the internet and so far, VPNs have really helped people to be able to access these sites. For this reason, we must be careful when using a VPN because the government may still be watching its people. Maybe they haven't taken any action for the people and are still waiting and looking at the situation in your country.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

VPNs became such a big boom during the Covid lockdowns when everybody was at home and wanted to surf the internet freely. I can understand that people are concerned about their personal information and want to protect themselves. The issue with using VPNs for gambling is that your IP is likely to going to change every time you log into the casino. This could already flag your account for suspicious activities and might lead to problems later on. Personally, I stopped using VPNs when gambling because the risk is too high for me that there is an issue when I try to withdraw my winnings. The question is also if we use VPNs to secure our personal information, or to circumvent a gambling ban in our country. In case of gambling not being allowed in our country, then the casino could also be in trouble if we ever want to withdraw our money. The larger the money we use gambling the more I would try to be correct about following all the rules. Losing 50 USD because we can't withdraw it from the casino is one thing, but if our winnings are 1 or 2,000 USD it would hurt terribly.

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Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

Why would you use a VPN, if online gambling is allowed in your country?
If you have to use a VPN in order to access an online casino, this means that your Internet Service Provider(ISP) is restricting your access to online gambling platforms, in accordance to you country's legislation and regulations.
Using a VPN to access a gambling website means that you are breaking the laws of your country. The online casino might take your deposits and even allow you to withdraw your profits, but what if the VPN company reports your browsing history to your country's authorities?
I know that this is close to impossible to happen, but some VPN companies don't delete your browsing data.

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I think if using vpn is not against the rules it can be used without hesitation. Yeah casino companies will definitely and strongly discourage you to do it. Its not because they hate people using vpn - they are probably okay with it. BUT, there are many legal binding gambling companies need to face. So they are forced to discourage use of vpn. Its little bit grey are because of all these. But I think there won't be big issues if you use it.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

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What do you think?

I read the TOS and didn't see anything there about using VPN. Nevertheless, I am not against working with casinos via VPN. The fact is that this does not carry risks, because the VPN stream is also encrypted, and stealing your data from it is not as easy as it seems. I use several personal VPNs, because in my country there is very strict censorship in relation to casinos, even for access to Bitcointalk you need a VPN, not to mention Roobet, Stake and other gambling sites. It is annoying that VPN often stop working and they need to be changed. But for this I use WireGuard.

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Quote from: BitcoinPanther on August 28, 2023, 04:55:12 PM

Talking to customer support for VPN inquiry is the right thing to do. Just like what @DoublerHunter did when he inquire about the use of VPN to access the casino platform. VPN working does not mean it is ok to use it, we have seen complaints here about their account getting suspended due to the use of VPN in circumventing their access to the platform.

If the customer support discourage us to us VPN or answered in somehow vague statement, I think we must always choose the safer option and that is to not use VPN unless the customer support confirm that it is really allowed to use it.

I think a casino will be very happy to suspend an account that has a big fund in it. Sometimes we are nit ready to abstain from a casino because of the restricted regions that are not allowed to use the casino but that can make us to go extra miles to use VPN in order to access the site which can work for us for some time. It is very important for us to always take a safety notice of not leaving funds in the casino account so that in case it got suspended, we are not going to bear any loses. If we keep funds there and the account got suspended, it is not going to be easy for us at all.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

Just a little bit side note on here on which i did tend to make some research on those mentions but among those which is that CasinoGap. which i do believe is this https://casinogap.org/non-gamstop-casinos/
which we do know that it isnt really that a casino but rather a affiliate or review site which it doesnt really fit out itself on the team or listed or mentioned casinos.

On Stake.
14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.
Source: https://stake.com/policies/terms

On Fortunejack.
Prohibited teritories
https://fortunejack.com/faq/prohibited-territories
Each provider does have their own set of countries which arent allowed. So there's no point on using up VPN and make yourself get caught.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

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I mean, it'd probably be better to ask the ToS? Just look at stake for example,

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14.4 The attempt to manipulate your real location through the use of VPN, proxy, or similar services or through the provision of incorrect or misleading information about your place of residence, with the intent to circumvent geo-blocking or jurisdiction restrictions, constitutes a breach of Clause 5 of this Terms of Service.

Clearly states it's a breach of clause 5, which is about the usage of their site on allowed locations/jurisdictions. Yes, you can circumvent this via VPN, and you can probably get away with it, but don't ask why you got "banned" when you, in the first place, didn't follow their ToS. VPN working does not mean it's allowed. VPN in the first place is used to bypass geo-blocking restrictions, and "bypass" isn't exactly a term I'd use if they were "VPN-friendly"

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

If there's no such thing about mentioning VPN then people or gamblers do really assume that it is really just that fine to make use of it to cover up your real IP but on the time that you do see that they had restricted
your country on playing on such site then its safe to presume that there's really a prohibition even though there's no thing stated on TOS about VPN's but using up your own common sense would really be telling you that

you should really not make use of it if you dont like for some troubles.This is where people do usually trap off themselves on the time that they would really be ignoring out such conditions on which they do
really do things that they do have in mind without even minding about the potential consequences on the time that they would get caught. For those users who do still keep on using such way or method
then its still lucky that they havent get caught but on the time that they would then for sure this is where regrets do really start to kick in. Wink

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Talking to customer support for VPN inquiry is the right thing to do. Just like what @DoublerHunter did when he inquire about the use of VPN to access the casino platform. VPN working does not mean it is ok to use it, we have seen complaints here about their account getting suspended due to the use of VPN in circumventing their access to the platform.

If the customer support discourage us to us VPN or answered in somehow vague statement, I think we must always choose the safer option and that is to not use VPN unless the customer support confirm that it is really allowed to use it.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on August 28, 2023, 05:19:10 AM

^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.
I currently making an account on Stake.com and I read the TOS which is you are right about, there is no state there regarding VPN but I think if you are in the US you can use VPN based on many articles that I have read.
I asked the Stake.com team regarding this and this is what I have got, they strongly discourage using VPNs.

Reading TOS is much better before using the casino.

There are game providers that block a country even though the player is not in a restricted region. That is the reason for some players why they use VPN. But as for me, I won't dare to use a VPN just to access a certain game provider. It is better to be safe than sorry.

Yes, it's better to look for games or online casino places that allow our country to open without a VPN. But if the country where we live has been banned, then just stay away, and blacklist from the list of places to play, it will be safer. because there are still plenty of places to play safely according to the Tos. Even casino providers provide a special domain when the domain normally used is blocked by the ISP of the local country.

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I don't log in with VPN active because I know they (the casino) can use it to deny my payment. I've seen it happen to people where they couldn't find anything wrong with their accounts or couldn't prove they were cheating, so they used an alleged VPN connection as a straw man argument to deny or delay their payment, quoting dishonest behavior and breaking of ToS.
If you have to use it, make sure you use it from the start with the same IP and that you go through KYC using that IP. At least then you'll have something to use against them, as you were constantly logging in from the same location, VPN or not.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on August 28, 2023, 05:19:10 AM

^Why you are using VPNs if a casino is allowed in your country? Or you can freely open the website.

I use a VPN the whole time, even when there are no blocked websites in my country, because I trust more in giving my browsing data to an external VPN rather than give it to my local ISP.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

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What do you think?

I believe that if the casino includes a mention in their TOS prohibiting the use of VPNs then it's advisable to refrain from using one. On the other hand if there's no such mention in the TOS, using a VPN is generally considered acceptable and the decision ultimately rests with you. I don't think there's an issue arising from using a VPN in the absence of explicit rules about its usage.

Speaking from my own experience, I've never felt the need to use a VPN while engaging with casinos. I haven't encountered any restrictions related to the gambling games I typically wager on and I haven't faced any obstacles that would necessitate the use of a VPN thus far.

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Quote from: Jocuserious on August 28, 2023, 01:39:01 PM

There are many countries where casino is not allowed and you should play casino with utmost privacy. Some countries have laws in this regard where the police will directly jail you if you are caught playing in a casino. However it is possible to directly participate in online casino by adopting privacy. Moreover if you use VPN, there will be more security in that case the government of that country will not be able to track you. Although casino sites do not accept IP from all countries, i was checking it.

if you are using VPN and the casino itself has no clear stand on this, then you should be very careful as it may cause some investigations in your account when you start winning big. who knows? or if they clearly stated on their ToS about non-usage of VPN, then, if something happens in your account, then you are the one liable for what happened.
you can't accuse the site of freezing your funds or of that sort if it is on their terms. when you opted to use this route, you are subjecting yourself to further scrutiny.

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Some gambling platforms provide mirror links to use. Apart from those provided links using a VPN to access any of the gambling platform will land you at some problem some day. Maybe for now this couldn't be a big issue.

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Quote from: Jocuserious on August 28, 2023, 01:39:01 PM

There are many countries where casino is not allowed and you should play casino with utmost privacy. Some countries have laws in this regard where the police will directly jail you if you are caught playing in a casino. However it is possible to directly participate in online casino by adopting privacy. Moreover if you use VPN, there will be more security in that case the government of that country will not be able to track you. Although casino sites do not accept IP from all countries, i was checking it.

Mostly in some Islamic based countries,the gambling is not a legal one.Some people from that countries had no other option then use the gambling with some privacy,this is not because of the fear.They just not want their community people to think them different,the important factor is they will play win the mind voice.In some countries the people get jailed for just playing gambling,the rule is against the gambling made by their own government.In such countries people can play their liked game using the VPN.Then the police will not find you and you can play many game based on the money with you.We should not get capture to the government,if the gambling is illegal one in your countries.Incase gambling was illegal one,you may use the VPN but don’t use VPN to scam the website.

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There are many countries where casino is not allowed and you should play casino with utmost privacy. Some countries have laws in this regard where the police will directly jail you if you are caught playing in a casino. However it is possible to directly participate in online casino by adopting privacy. Moreover if you use VPN, there will be more security in that case the government of that country will not be able to track you. Although casino sites do not accept IP from all countries, i was checking it.

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Quote from: Outhue on August 28, 2023, 04:28:13 AM

I have seen a few pieces of content online that are saying Stake, Fortune Jack, Casino Gap and few others are VPN-friendly.

Are users on here agreeing on these few mentioned online casino? I am asking this because I believe those who still use VPN on these casinos are not safe.

Because using a VPN is not openly acceptable by these online casinos, there is no where it's written on their website, I know readers might feel like, why would they wrote such on their website when the law isn't permitting such?

Well, what will stop them from using this against you too as a gambler? Bypassing restrictions is not the problem, but it was never allowed officially, meaning you should accept whatever will be thrown in your face.

What do you think?

using VPN on many online gambling sites is strictly prohibited, this is because the system detects you are cheating, now in several countries there are many gambling sites that are blocked for reasons of legality, the best way for you to be able to play on the gambling site you want to play is to contact the support team of the site and then ask them whether their site has an alternative link to avoid using a VPN.
because at this time the competition in the gambling business is very tight, the support team from many gambling sites continues to make improvements to customer complaints, so don't hesitate to always make contact with the support team from your favorite gambling site.

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I think the issue with gambling casinos and VPN usage have been so discussed that I feel everyone by now should know which casino to use VPN on and which not to use the same on , for me personally though, I deleted every VPN I used to have, both on my mobile phone and personal computer , I never wanna be tempted to use VPN on any casino, or maybe mistakenly forget to turn the VPN off after using it for other stuffs, then unknowingly access my gambling casino account with it, a casino have once seized a over $25,000 belong to a friend of mine simply for accessing the casino with a VPN, it took over 8 months before the casino returned the money , and this was after my friend had spent thousands of dollars on procuring the different types of documents he was asked to submit for verification, since that experience, I swore never to be a victim to such .

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