Topic: Still not a safe practice even if it works - page 6. (Read 1248 times)

VPNs are a pretty hot button issue at the moment. There have been proposals in the United States to limit their use but as far as I know they’re still perfectly legal to use. This is a case where technology is just out in front of regulation and I’m sure as regulators get younger and more familiar with current technology more clear guidance will be issued.

Stake.com does not accept VPN connections. Wherever source you get that from it's probably just lying to you. You will get yourself banned by doing this.
Most online gambling sites don't accept VPNs. What's the use of country restriction if they will let all the people get in just by using a VPN?
I have seen many cases of this trying to get back their money after using a VPN, you don't want to be in that position because it will be a restless document compilation to send to the gambling site asking for proof that it's really you and they won't stop at just simple identification. So, just avoid using this. If you cannot use their site then find another one, a reputable one.

But it's silent or not specifically mentioned in the terms which is the main argument in the OP.

The representative from one of the casinos mentioned already clarified the matter and it's down to the purpose of using VPN. They allow on cases of protecting privacy and security but not on cases of bypassing the restriction on countries where online gambling is illegal.

I don't use VPN at the casinos where I have an account and I play regularly, so I can't tell you in practice if that would be an issue or not.
However, I can give you my opinion on what I think would be right....

The first point is: using VPN is not illegal, I don't know of any country that mentions this practice as a crime or infraction, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Casinos can add this restriction, for whatever reason, but if this is not explicit in the terms of use of the site then I believe that they should never block you or withhold your money just because you are using a VPN. They could associate VPN use with some other illegal practice and they will certainly find proof of this if you are found guilty.

It's not the safest way to gamble, but it pays off if the casino allows you to play on their casino for a long time because, like you've said, only a few are VPN-friendly. Those gamblers probably understand the risk of using a VPN since they've also read the terms and conditions of other casinos, so they should know what's possibly coming to their account. It's also a win on the side of the casino because it's another way to get new users playing in their casino when the others are very strict with their rules and that makes me think they're unlikely to enforce the VPN rule.

What is your main concern? If you think using a VPN will put your account at risk, even if it's allowed at the said site, then just simply don't use it. Knowing the terms and conditions related to VPN is a must but if you are not really sure what to do then you can totally ignore using VPN, for your own safety.

There are VPN-friendly sites and those sites you mentioned are examples. As long as the usage is detected from a supported country, no problem at all.


What specifically do you mean about being "safe"?

Safe from security-related issues or safe from accounts not being banned?

Again, how accounts will be subject to a ban if they just used a VPN where in the first place, it was allowed by the gambling site? Also as I mentioned, as long as it's not used for anything crappy reason, users are freely to used VPN. Skip totally on using if users don't know about the terms.

If they don't allow VPN usage on their terms, just don't use it. It's simple like that. The problem is that people don't care about what they can do and what they can't do, acting like they wish and crying loud after, once they have funds freezed by the platform for breaking the rules. Then the platform is accused of scamming gamblers when they make profit and want to withdraw the money. However, it was primarily gambler's fault to not follow the house's rules, even though it's true sometimes casinos start blocking users only after they start profiting. The key is: stay clean and they won't have justifications to sabotage you.

I don't have much to say about it and don't want to beat around the bush either; avoid VPNs if you don't want to get yourself into trouble.

If you've read the TOS of the gambling platform you're visiting and you can't find them banning VPNs - then maybe using it is a safe practice. But VPNs are banned in some casinos - meaning you should avoid them regardless of your reason for using them. The best gamblers are the ones who don't violate the rules of the casino they're spending their money on including not using a VPN - however gamblers can still be banned for other reasons until they can no longer use their accounts because they are frozen.

This is the reason why I used to use VPN in the past in duelbits and stake. It was because I wanted to play Relax Gaming, No Limit City and Push Gaming, all these 3 were not be able to be played from my original IP while I love these 3 providers much in the past. Nowadays only relax gaming that I cant play with my original IP, but I do not play relax gaming anymore now so I do not have to use VPN again. In the past, I asked support first before I used VPN. At that time support said that it is fine, but I'm not really sure about now because there might be a change in the terms of the casinos.

Everything's gonna make more sense if it's officially authorized by the casino, just like you said...
They'd prevail in court if it were to be a big problem tomorrow - it can somehow be a liverage since there are no clues on how to spot this accounts easily - yessss, I didn't say there are no ways to do so. The other way round, the rules of anonymity Is totally broken and some confidential informations, stand a chance to be leaked - should anything fishy is perceived. _{we've got alot of sites that don't even care about your existence...lol}

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Only a few would really be having that reasoning that just because they do love on hiding up their IP location on why they do make use of VPN compared to those people who do have restricted access due to country ban.
There's no sense that people would be making use of VPN if they arent really that restricted considering that most IP providers do give out that dynamic and not static ip address which it could really changed out on the time that you would really be able to reset out the router on which it would really be just that normal that they wont really be bothering themselves in regarding to this matter. Whenever you do see that there's on their terms and conditions in regarding about country restriction then why would really be forcing up yourself to play if there are lots of options out there on which you could really be able to play on? Why would really be trying out
to break those terms and conditions of a certain site and pushing for you to play even if its against their house rules? This is why dont get shocked if you have been caught and suddenly blocked and those funds been locked up. People wont really bother about the risks involved as long  they could really be able to play.Well, its their money to make use of and have the full rights on what they should gonna do though.

Let assume that the country banned their citizens access to a particular gambling site, and some citizens in that country decided to use VPN to access the casino, I don't think there is any problem with that, I mean the casino in particular should not have a problem with that, the only time that can become a problem particularly for the user or users is when for whatever reason, the casino asks for a KYC verification, and this is only because the location in the document used for the verification will be different from the location, IP such user have been accessing the casino with, this is the only area where i think problem might arise from..

One time Nigerian government banned the citizens access to twitter, several of us turned to VPN to access our twitter accounts, there was never a problem, though this can not be compared to gambling casinos though, the only time i feel using VPN can become really problematic is when its the casino that banned the use of VPN in their site, and some gamblers from restricted areas decide to use VPN to access and play on the same casino.

maybe there are already some right answers but in my personal opinion I do sometimes use VPN to access certain sites when I want to unblock sites but for Stake I very rarely use VPN because Stake has several mirror sites that I can easily use according to my IP . this means that there are several choices of sites that I can choose to still be able to access the Stake site without VPN making it easier for customers to avoid VPN and there is a channel in the Stake telegram about the mirror site.

for me using a VPN is a little insecure because one day if there is a problem with withdrawals or deposits this will be a major problem related to using a VPN so I very rarely use a VPN preferring to gamble safely on the right site rather than force using a VPN.

Exactly.

Those gamblers that can't find a way so they ending up using VPN. It's either their country has banned online gambling or that casino doesn't allow residents on that specific country to gamble.

But the decision will depend on the casino and I think most of those that are using VPN that are from restricted countries are likely to have the problems.

While there are gamblers that just wanna use VPN to hide their internet protocol.

Casino today could be planning to have mirrors just like Stake where they do have a lot of it with different domain extensions. If there is .BTC domain, they would have gotten it already.

The gamblers who risk their funds just so they can play I think are really the kind of gamblers who are hard to the core which the casinos are also not going to betray, these are the gamblers who are going to convince the rest of the flocks to play on their platform despite the country blocking them. These are the gamblers who will recommend to use of VPN to their fellow countrymen. Casinos wouldn't want to trick these gamblers, they are loyal gamblers to be.

But those players who are using VPN are simply finding a way to access a gambling platform and not by means of cheating the game. Indeed there are restrictions to some gambling sites regarding this concern but if the house itself allows it  then who are we as players to oppose it without any given cheating incidents?Law is given by people with authority and in this industry  those are gambling site owners or providers. If it is law in general then we would mostly be guilty given that gambling as an activity is prohibited to many countries so what makes us better than others? Also, those who are using Vpn are the ones at risk of being taken advantage of simply because of irregularities with network and overall accessibility to the site.

You say that like it's a bad thing to break the law 
You are too subjective in this matter. If you live in a civilized country that respects human rights, then this does not mean that everyone lives in such countries. Probably in most countries of the world people suffer from the oppression of groups that have seized power, so breaking the law is not something bad, but just a way to exercise their rights.

You will never know, they might use it on you if you one day win a jackpot, I am not saying stake.com is capable of such an act but you will never know.

If you want to gamble on any online casino it's better to always play safe, VPN will one day ruin your gambling experience for you because.

Even premium VPN servers do some silly things too.

IP Address do change as time goes on.

Even DNS can change while you are still connected to a certain location.

Here is my question regarding VPN and casinos, are there some countries where you can't use a VPN to operate a casino? How will anyone know that I am connected via VPN to any online casino? If this is possible, then the government is spying on his on people, but which country upholds such laws?

Yes, I think the use of a VPN is not a problem for some casinos, but we will never know the changes that occur in the casino, it's best if the ISP doesn't prohibit us from accessing the casino, why use a VPN, just because we don't want to use the original IP, why so? must use a VPN because they basically save our browsing results too.

There are still many ways to access gambling sites even though ISPs block us from accessing gambling because we don't have to use a VPN and there are still many ways that might be much safer so that it doesn't become a problem in the future, I'm someone who always thinks about that and never wants to use a VPN for fear of serious problems It is not desirable especially for the casino to freeze our account and our deposit money.

If there is nothing about using a VPN, you can still use a VPN. But you have to be careful with your country's regulations because I noticed very strict censorship regarding casinos. Don't get yourself in trouble with your government for using a VPN to access casinos or other sites.

It's really annoying if there are restrictions from our country in accessing anything on the internet and so far, VPNs have really helped people to be able to access these sites. For this reason, we must be careful when using a VPN because the government may still be watching its people. Maybe they haven't taken any action for the people and are still waiting and looking at the situation in your country.