Topic: Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort. (Read 1266 times)

Are you talking about jackpot winners of lottery or other gambling-related activities?


I think the other way around.  The hero's son is lucky because he got the backup of his father's influence while the common man needs to work hard and do more effort to be recognized by the talent manager.

Regardless success is always determined by the effort made and not by the so-called luck factor because in the business world, luck can't produce goods or services, only hard effort do.

Its actually both and basing on my own opinion then it would be having that partition of 90% hardwork and 10% luck if we do speak about mixing it up which it would really be still having that
possible outcome but mostly it would really be pertaining about hard work because everything couldnt really be ending up successful if you arent really that wise on how to handle up your business.
You cant totally rely in speaking about business or other similar venture on which you would really be just depending on how lucky you are.This isnt really a gambling game on which you do
put up some money and just let the  rest works for you which we know that it cant be that possible or something a realistic approach. For those people who do say that they are just
that lucky then dont believe it, it is really just that this one shows that you have done the best thing for you to reach out that success on what  you are dealing with.

I disagree, in my own opinion hardwork and effort is the key to success. It just so happen that some people that you call them lucky is that is their season of winning, I believe that everyone of us has its own timeline and season what works for them sometimes doesn't work for us or sometimes it helps other people but not us. Maybe luck could be applied to gambling but in overall success, I did not agree.

Indeed, the factor (luck) has a key role, they were born destined that way, maybe everyone's skill, skill, big name can do it, but it's the luck factor that makes the difference. However, don't rely too much on luck saying ah he got lucky, I didn't. luck is indeed possible but once in a while successful people don't just rely on luck, but definitely through planning, must have extraordinary skills and have a very extraordinary vision and mission for the future.

As with successful people like Steve Job and Warren Buffet, they said in one of their interviews that success is due to luck. Actually they say that because they just want to humble themselves, basically because they have above average skills and have a vision and mission.

I disagree.

It's the combination of both actually. You cannot be lucky most of the time, so you still need effort. For example, you cannot make your business big if what you're doing always is just sleeping and not planning anything, you need to put some effort to make a plan, financial management, and of course hiring suitable employees.

If you're going to make luck as your everyday excuse, then you're not going anywhere.

In the previous post I said that it depends on their family's upbringing and most of them will end up with a parenting style that is fully provided by their parents and this parenting style is what makes them understand how to respect others and not be arrogant. Of course it does not guarantee that everyone can behave well for those who are born in rich families or those who struggle to earn wealth with their efforts and hard work. Education is important so that they are able to respect everyone, both employees and anyone with whom they have a relationship.

The last point you mentioned about the rich thinking that even if they fail they have a chance to struggle again because their parents had a lot of capital will also end up failing, the concept is not how much capital they have but how they can thrive. Without a vision and mission, any business that they develop will end in failure, because they do not have a concept in developing the business they are living.

Back to the upbringing factor and indeed not everyone is the same, both rich people who are inherited by their parents and rich people who struggle with their hard work, are arrogant and like to belittle other people are a form of disrespect for oneself and because of this this is the factor that will destroy them. The point is I see how someone has ethics, empathy and mutual respect for one another, when the parenting they receive is good then I'm sure they will behave well to everyone.

You don't have to be prepared to jam luck, the luck can in addition help your weakness to make you sufficient for the task ahead. I would not support as the Op's makes title the heading look but the information contained is good. Luck can not be the fundamental, effort should be, but the luck can be added to it. You can not be a useless and think luck will just work for you like that. You have to get prepared and know what to do when you are offered a task. This is where you get prepared and let the opportunity and luck do the rest.

Those how think it is about working all the time in the hard way that success is made may want to rethink, success can come through any means and you may be less qualified but luck will help out.

for us human beings who are religious, success cannot be separated from effort and prayer. after we work hard and smart then the final result will be decisive, beyond our strength. often people do business and plans that have been well laid out, but in the end things don't go according to what was planned. with prayer can make our psychology more stable, so this will provide more optimal work. it's the same with trading, we do everything to be able to control our emotions so we can think healthy

This is not entirely true, I would say it depends on the personality of each person. There are rich people who are very arrogant and extravagant because they always think they have a rich background, even if they fail, they still have another way to get rich quickly. But there are also people who succeed from poverty and are very understanding because they have gone through a lot of suffering and difficulties in life to get where they are today. Therefore, they will always know how to treat others and their subordinates with humility. They understand that scorning and belittling others does not make them more respected.

Luck is also important along with the hard work and smart work. In my personal experience when we go with our hardwork and smartwork we will be able to be rich and turn successful in life and profession. This takes time, but the luckiest will be able to achieve what we've achieved in a short time period. This is simple as a hero's son getting an opportunity to act in a movie and a common man getting opportunity to act in a movie. The common man need to be lucky or else he should work hard for years and later he can be seen on movies.

I also prefer to settle down, mingle and struggle with hardworking people who never complain because they have been educated independently by their own family environment since birth. But I also don't blame those who are born with a silver spoon in their mouth, because that belongs to their parents and they don't know anything about life either. So it's also important not to blame those who are born with luxury as long as they are not self-aware to fight in their lives as their own parents did in the past or before they were born.

The wise generation is the generation that is able to succeed without expecting an inheritance from their own parents even though the treasure is worthy and he has the right to be expected. But I will appreciate those who are successful independently with their own efforts without expecting help from their own parents even though their parents also have the right to help their children become successful. Because basically every parent does not have the heart to see their child miserable in life.

I too always think that usually the thing that makes many successful are always luck, like many have mentioned coming from a rich family is a blessing on its own and it doesn't just mean you gonna have smoother journey in building your business financially but also you will have more solid foundation and good connection to the important people than every one else, and being lucky enough to come from such family of course everyone would say that's some massive luck right there.
the media always shows us the successful people out there that successfully building their business from scratch but never mentioned their lucky moments, it also gives illusion that there are many people out there compared with the failed ones meanwhile i'm sure there are so many failed people that have tried their best yet still unsuccessful anyway.

It is one of the other possibilities but in this case when talking about success there must be a lot of obstacles there regardless of anything something like that will definitely happen because indeed when we do everything other than there are obstacles in the process there will definitely be competitors so in this is as much as possible relationships are also needed and I think when the performance we do is good regardless of cheating or not in the end I don't think it will betray the results to be obtained.
When you talk about race or whatever it is that is related to discrimination you should be aware of the environment because of course walking in an unhealthy environment then we will not be healthy forever, right? When your performance is good then the relationship will exist and the choice is yours. You work with people who do nothing and get praised. You have to see whether your environment is healthy or not because in such conditions you also have to rack your brains to survive.

Like I said, I have not seen anyone succeed without trade-offs, if someone gets rich without effort, they will have to trade with all they have. Success and wealth don't just fall from the sky. And I agree with you, if we want to achieve something, we need to stand up and work hard to get there.
But if you say you don't believe in anything but yourself, I disagree. I don't believe anyone can succeed without anyone's help. No one can be alone, go to success alone, and stand on top of glory without help. When you succeed, there will always be someone to accompany you.

Before a success can emerge, it has to be a dependent on this one her factors which are luck and hardworks, in being a hard-working man, you also need luck, which will be a proof to your hardworks, it makes one not to struggles continually in life, luck can be use in place of being favoured, though sometimes it's not also by hardworks but by mercy, but for every committed and serious persons in life, they will definitely come across one these at some point in life, the time frame of each individual may vary from the other to be successful in life, and lastly opportunity is what capped them all, being poor is missing opportunities repeatedly in life.

Luck can be a factor in your success but hard work matters alot in your life , if you don't work hard for anything how can you expect to get anything even success.
Yes generation wise success is a fact that you get from your forefathers but still I will stand with hardworking people who are self-made.
The people who are born with silver spoons in their mouth don't know the value of success or anything .

Nope

all the effort creativity and patience in the world only will work if luck allows it.


Now you still need effort creativity and patience but bad luck will always be able to stop that.

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Edit a good example of why luck is a number 1 factor

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last month tornados hit my area I had good luck.

https://abc7ny.com/new-jersey-storm-damage-nj-howell-township-jackson/13076577/

No one was hurt from the damage and there was lots of it.

So the luck was good that no one died.

BTW NJ, USA is not a tornado state we go years with out them.

Weather can drill you if it does not good luck
Earthquakes can drill you if it does not good luck.

In Aug 1986 I went to San Franciso for my honeymoon.
In Oct 1989 it was hit by an Earth Quake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4LFu91Xrw0

We went over the bridge that collapsed and killed people.

We went under the overpassed that collapsed and killed people.

But our luck was good  we were at the wrong place but we were there at a good time.

So luck is why I am typing this. Not hard work and good deeds.

BTW there was a small earthquake last night in New York


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/19/earthquake-new-york-westchester-county/70234927007/


So I am fine not by any effort but by luck it was small.

It's a reality and almost 75% of people born into wealthy families who own businesses will pass it on. I mean they have much greater luck compared to people who are born from poor families, most children of rich people must be taught to take control of their father's business and from a young age they have been forged and directed for that.

Although in general not all children born to wealthy business owners will be as successful as following their fathers, in reality almost 75% of them follow their father's success. Having opportunities and having everything is the way to achieve success whereas people who have nothing have to struggle hard to achieve all of that.

Luck is also based on hard work, but talking about opportunity is the same as comparing a child born to a business family with a child born to a poor family. Different parenting styles and family education will give birth to different thoughts, the value of arrogance also refers to the upbringing of their parents, but we also often find poor people who become rich are far more arrogant than children born in business families.

Come from a wealthy family, that's called luck, and they are more likely to succeed thanks to a solid foundation from the beginning. Indeed, luck plays an extremely important role in anyone's career success, but many people always think that is not true, and they consider themselves talented. I am sure that without luck no one will succeed. But successful people are like that, always conceited and arrogant, always thinking they are good without anyone's help, and do not believe in luck.