Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort. - page 4.

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Quote from: axxo on May 13, 2023, 08:24:45 PM

Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

What I know is that we have something called "Life is a Journey" and Life is a destiny" It seems like this is the belief of others that most poor people are born poor and die poor. Which is not me. believe that "Life is a destiny. Because we have a choice to get out of the poverty of the life we are in.

And if you are the person who does not want to remain poor for the rest of your life, you will now find a way to get out and get the dream you want through the opportunities and systems you will apply. Now if you are a poor person and you bet on the lottery and suddenly you get the jackpot prize of let's say 1M$ it can be said to be luck because the only effort is to go to the lottery outlet and just to bet.

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If you are not lucky in life you have bad things happen all the time.

Last month an F2 tornado missed my house by 2500 feet.

I was lucky.

Please note F2 tornado in New Jersey is very rare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K51Rj59pjY

look at what it did to homes in my town.

Luck is why I did not suffer that to my home.

So being a success is work and luck combined.

All that worked hard to become successful and did succeed had luck and hard work in their favor.

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everyone wants to be successful in running a business that they are currently developing, as you said that success is luck but we also need effort in carrying out a job don't rely too much on luck, many people are successful today thanks to their hard work ups and downs in facing every situation and for me only some get lucky for them without trying to be successful and usually there is a background that comes from people who are already capable.

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Quote from: Patrol69 on May 14, 2023, 05:23:38 AM

As your uncles are now successful businessmen now if you start a business you will get good support from them which is very much needed for the business to flourish. Those who don't have anyone to guide them in business understand basically how difficult it is for them to rise from zero and they have to face challenges every moment. But you will get that direction from your uncles. And you will try to be less dependent on luck. You have to make your own luck. If you don't take any initiative and just wait for luck then is it possible to achieve success in your life at all. Along with luck, you have to try yourself, effort, hard work, luck, all these things come together to achieve success in life.

There is no substitute for hard work. If one works hard then success can be a long way ahead and later luck will enable him to take it to the final stage quickly. But those who stick to it can definitely get good results. But those who rely only on luck without hard work they will not get the desired position. Sufficient experience is required to run a business. A businessperson must acquire all those skills otherwise have the possibility to lose in business.

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Luck comes after efforts and hard work and success comes with your hardwork and determination so this concept is wrong your luck can't determine you or your success. If you want to succeed in life you can't just sit idle and wait for luck to work for you instead of that you have to move and put effort in your work to get success.

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As your uncles are now successful businessmen now if you start a business you will get good support from them which is very much needed for the business to flourish. Those who don't have anyone to guide them in business understand basically how difficult it is for them to rise from zero and they have to face challenges every moment. But you will get that direction from your uncles. And you will try to be less dependent on luck. You have to make your own luck. If you don't take any initiative and just wait for luck then is it possible to achieve success in your life at all. Along with luck, you have to try yourself, effort, hard work, luck, all these things come together to achieve success in life.

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luck will never come if we stay silent. Fishing for luck is also by trying your best. we can't force success based on what we want. it may fail. but trying your best is the way to have no regrets in the future.111

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Quote from: eXtremal on May 14, 2023, 03:43:58 AM

well it's like 50:50 both are needed in the road to success. if you try but it fails because of misfortune it's like the thing that makes us disappointed. but this luck does not come from effort but from our supplication to god. Luck is invisible so we have to know when we should feel lucky when we shouldn't chase something if it becomes a failure in the future.

Oh I love this one. Because it's true what you say that at least between hard work and luck does have a 50:50 ratio. both are important in achieving success. and can not just with one of them. Well, we can also get luck when we are more diligent in praying to Allah SWT. I often do. Before starting anything, I always start by praying to Allah SWT so that every effort I make will be given good luck and smoothness. After that, I worked hard and enjoyed the process. And now I have achieved what I used to dream of, namely having an independent business. even though it's still small but this already makes me happy. Everything requires hard work and a lot of learning that we have to learn along the way. it's not easy at first but it gets easier once you get used to it. I thank Allah SWT for bringing me on the path that I am currently on. In fact, I am grateful to be in this forum because I can share stories with others and motivate and learn from fellow members of this forum.

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Of course this cannot be denied, in real life many successful people depend on luck not hard work, I often meet rich people and they don't graduate from elementary school, or vice versa the poor and unemployed but they come from the best university graduates, in my opinion for success the most important thing is mindset, people who don't go to school can be successful because they focus on the goal of being successful, of course they experience many failures but don't stop.

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It is true that success depends on the luck we get and not everyone will get luck even though the effort they do is in accordance with the procedures they are currently undergoing, but for me the effort in a job to get something is more important because there we will get some opportunities for our success even though some people cannot get it, But rest assured every effort we make will definitely get results even though sometimes not as we want but all take time.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

No matter how affluent and fortunate an individual may be, if he won't grind and work hard, all will still be wasted. In my opinion, dedication is the key to a successful life. If you refrain from trying, luck won't get you far in life.
I think there are some extremely lucky persons in some professions, but they undoubtedly worked hard to keep what good fortune had given them. There are also underprivileged individuals who were born into poverty but have elevated their lives through a desire to succeed.

Exactly, if you don't exert effort then the probability for you to success will be slim. Imagine you just wait for luck to happen without changing something in your life like your lifestyle. You're just waiting for miracle to happen everyday and not looking for opportunity to grow and learn. As we learn everyday it would have a great impact to us and will eventually pays off at the end of the day. Consistency of your hard work is also one of the factor for you to succeed in life.

How come anything is possible to achieve without doing any effort, your achievements success totally depends on your efforts and hard work luck can be an additional factor in that but not fully depend on your luck.
Hard work makes everything possible and your success depends upon that.

Agree that to get success, we need to work hard and try our best, there is no success without trade-offs. But luck also plays an important role, and I also believe that we cannot succeed without luck. Luck is an invisible thing, we won't be able to see it as our efforts, but if some people are observant or believe in spirituality, they will feel it. For those who always think that hard work will bring success, that is not wrong, but there is still an element of luck in it, they just don't want to believe it.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

People who get success can sometimes have a distorted view of how they arrived there. They often overlook all the tried and failed attempts at business ideas, which many others would never even attempt. Luck can play a small part, but it's often a case of generating your own luck and that is the key difference. If you are pro-active, going out to seek new fortune, it is different than never attempting anything at all - hoping that it will fall into your lap. There is a big difference with many examples in business, like choosing to focus on one product or service while cutting loose the other less profitable ones, it's a small step but it is based on reasoned prior experience rather than some defined fate.

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well it's like 50:50 both are needed in the road to success. if you try but it fails because of misfortune it's like the thing that makes us disappointed. but this luck does not come from effort but from our supplication to god. Luck is invisible so we have to know when we should feel lucky when we shouldn't chase something if it becomes a failure in the future.

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Quote from: AnonBitCoiner on May 13, 2023, 11:30:24 AM

Luck cannot make you successful without doing anything to get profit so I think luck and efforts both are compulsory elements for a successful destination. There are number of individuals who do not want to move their hands so they cannot achieve the desired goals because they think that success will achieved without doing anything.

I think one should work hard after that its his luck that what he get as a results of his efforts. I have experienced that all those individuals who worked hard in past have brighter luck in future because they work regularly to achieve the fruitful results.

If once you don't get the desired outcomes don't think that your luck is not good but try and try again one day you will achieved the best possible chance because of efforts as well as luck.

Success will never happen with just a glimpse of luck, there should be hard work and efforts put into it so you can achieve your desired goal. Though sometimes luck does not favor you and make you feel discouraged, but do not stop there. Life is not a matter of luck, but certainly it’s a matter of choice. Whatever you face right now, it’s the outcome of your choices, and not because you were not lucky enough to become successful. So work hard and be persistent on your goal, and let your luck do the rest.

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it really involves luck but those people that are working so hard but still not succeed is that they dont have a lot of opportunities meaning they are only working so hard like there is no tomorrow but they missed other opportunities or lets say bad decisions. It has really luck involved to it because lets say while working someone noticed your hardworking and your capability which they will hire your or asked the CEO to increase your salary, there are really instances that we cant control which that is luck

A person does not have many opportunities, which means they are not lucky enough. Luck appears a lot in our lives, and I believe it plays an important role, but many people deny it. If they don't have luck, then no matter how hard they try, they will never succeed. Honestly, I am where I am today because of luck. I used to be a worker and worked very hard, I never dared to think about big things like houses, cars, or real estate because I knew where I was in society. But luck came to me when a friend helped and recommended a job I had never known. Currently, my life is very well off and stable thanks to my job. Although I have worked hard, there is no denying that without luck, I would never have had the opportunity to do a job I know nothing about.

That is why others will say, "Work hard, opportunity will come." This is like when you are finding a job, keep applying until you find one because you'll be lucky if you get hired, but still, it is your hard work, like you have those skills. Luck really involves anything, but if you ain't working or doing anything like you've said, even that opportunity that comes to your friend if you are lazy will still not work, and you don't own houses, cars, or real estate.

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Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

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It is true that success depends on the luck we get and not everyone will get luck even though the effort they do is in accordance with the procedures they are currently undergoing, but for me the effort in a job to get something is more important because there we will get some opportunities for our success even though some people cannot get it, But rest assured every effort we make will definitely get results even though sometimes not as we want but all take time.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

No matter how affluent and fortunate an individual may be, if he won't grind and work hard, all will still be wasted. In my opinion, dedication is the key to a successful life. If you refrain from trying, luck won't get you far in life.
I think there are some extremely lucky persons in some professions, but they undoubtedly worked hard to keep what good fortune had given them. There are also underprivileged individuals who were born into poverty but have elevated their lives through a desire to succeed.

Exactly, if you don't exert effort then the probability for you to success will be slim. Imagine you just wait for luck to happen without changing something in your life like your lifestyle. You're just waiting for miracle to happen everyday and not looking for opportunity to grow and learn. As we learn everyday it would have a great impact to us and will eventually pays off at the end of the day. Consistency of your hard work is also one of the factor for you to succeed in life.

How come anything is possible to achieve without doing any effort, your achievements success totally depends on your efforts and hard work luck can be an additional factor in that but not fully depend on your luck.
Hard work makes everything possible and your success depends upon that.

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It is true that success depends on the luck we get and not everyone will get luck even though the effort they do is in accordance with the procedures they are currently undergoing, but for me the effort in a job to get something is more important because there we will get some opportunities for our success even though some people cannot get it, But rest assured every effort we make will definitely get results even though sometimes not as we want but all take time.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

No matter how affluent and fortunate an individual may be, if he won't grind and work hard, all will still be wasted. In my opinion, dedication is the key to a successful life. If you refrain from trying, luck won't get you far in life.
I think there are some extremely lucky persons in some professions, but they undoubtedly worked hard to keep what good fortune had given them. There are also underprivileged individuals who were born into poverty but have elevated their lives through a desire to succeed.

Exactly, if you don't exert effort then the probability for you to success will be slim. Imagine you just wait for luck to happen without changing something in your life like your lifestyle. You're just waiting for miracle to happen everyday and not looking for opportunity to grow and learn. As we learn everyday it would have a great impact to us and will eventually pays off at the end of the day. Consistency of your hard work is also one of the factor for you to succeed in life.

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It is true that success depends on the luck we get and not everyone will get luck even though the effort they do is in accordance with the procedures they are currently undergoing, but for me the effort in a job to get something is more important because there we will get some opportunities for our success even though some people cannot get it, But rest assured every effort we make will definitely get results even though sometimes not as we want but all take time.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

No matter how affluent and fortunate an individual may be, if he won't grind and work hard, all will still be wasted. In my opinion, dedication is the key to a successful life. If you refrain from trying, luck won't get you far in life.
I think there are some extremely lucky persons in some professions, but they undoubtedly worked hard to keep what good fortune had given them. There are also underprivileged individuals who were born into poverty but have elevated their lives through a desire to succeed.

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It is true that success depends on the luck we get and not everyone will get luck even though the effort they do is in accordance with the procedures they are currently undergoing, but for me the effort in a job to get something is more important because there we will get some opportunities for our success even though some people cannot get it, But rest assured every effort we make will definitely get results even though sometimes not as we want but all take time.

Success begins with effort, but luck only comes after effort. Very unsure that success is determined by luck without any effort although the success is not something that is guaranteed even though you have tried.

The flow might be like this: Attempt - success - luck.

I also believe that success is not luck because in essence it is not gambling, especially in business. You have to work on growing your business until you find it financially successful, so it's hard work that basically never makes sense to call it luck.

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Luck cannot make you successful without doing anything to get profit so I think luck and efforts both are compulsory elements for a successful destination. There are number of individuals who do not want to move their hands so they cannot achieve the desired goals because they think that success will achieved without doing anything.

I think one should work hard after that its his luck that what he get as a results of his efforts. I have experienced that all those individuals who worked hard in past have brighter luck in future because they work regularly to achieve the fruitful results.

If once you don't get the desired outcomes don't think that your luck is not good but try and try again one day you will achieved the best possible chance because of efforts as well as luck.

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