Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort. - page 9.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more.

Luck does favor a lot in the process of getting successful, but in order to keep the success you have to put lots of effort in it too. Getting successful is hard but keeping it is much harder. I have seen many people getting successful with luck and then after they have achieved it, they don't put any effort to keep it as it is. You may get inspired by your family members who are successful by luck, but have a look at their current life. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to keep the success.
So I think you need both in your life.

You are talking about another very important issue but yes, I completely agree with what you say. My family members have also been doing a great job keeping their status so they are the living proof. I have inherited both mentality to continue to do my best in my life. Thanks.

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I believe that luck exists and that there are lucky people who have the opportunity to have a comfortable and happy life. But compared to the number of people who have reached happiness because of their efforts and perseverance, the number is very small.
The concept of happiness may be relative and varies from person to person, but the lucky ones are the exception, not the rule.

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Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

lucky means you are born with a working brain.

lucky means you don’t get killed in random accidents.

the hard working Ukrainian gets a missle dropped in his bed when sleeping

goes on and on and on.

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Quote from: Wapfika on January 28, 2023, 12:01:54 PM

Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

They might be just being humble, we know for a fact that lick without actions will not lead into any good results. Some were given some luck but losses it since they don’t know how to manage it like those 1day millionaire which wins in lotto and just happen to spend it into somethings else and didn’t save or bought some investment. Those who have knowledge will not make this opportunity to grew their profit more or to expand it so skills and knowledge is needed.

This is the correct answer. I've seen many rich people saying that they were very lucky. Which is sort of correct but they down play the fact that they knew exactly what they were doing and how to make money and what they were doing that others weren't. How they were brave when others were fearful. But people really don't want to hear that. Or they don't understand it, nor many of them have other talents needed for smelling profit.

One of the reasons for this is to avoid any talks when people are asking financial advices on what to invest. No one with a good heart wants to carry that responsibility for people. So they cut some corners by saying they were lucky degenerate gambler or something like that. That keeps away anyone wanting financial advices or tips.

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Quote from: slapper on January 28, 2023, 01:59:18 PM

It's great that you've had the opportunity to reconnect with successful uncles from your extended family and hear about their experiences. It's true that hard work is important for success, but luck and opportunity can also play a big role. The key is to be prepared for those opportunities when they come, and to keep working hard so that when luck does come your way, you're in a position to take advantage of it. It's also important to remember that success doesn't always mean monetary wealth, success can come in many forms, such as personal growth, happiness, and a sense of fulfillment. So, focus on your goals, work hard, be open to new opportunities and don't forget to enjoy the journey

I also believe that luck could play a big role in success. But never rely for luck alone, as we don’t even know when will it actually hit us. So let’s focus on taking advantage first on every opportunity that comes and always give the best for it so that when luck finally comes, all our efforts and hardwork will paid off, plus the luck that will finally put us in a great position. As there’s no main ingredient in success, but if you pour hardwork on it, most likely you’ll get lucky too at the end of the day. That’s how success happens.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

If that what makes them feel satisfied with their success then let them believe to whatever it is. But if it's all about reality, it's all about the hard work that they've done.

They just don't want to make themselves look arrogant and say to others that they've worked hard to what they have right now. Because for others upon hearing it will make them think that they're arrogant if they'll say it nowadays.

As you know, most people today are sensitive in terms of trying to explain your good situation so, maybe that's one reason for it.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 28, 2023, 09:51:31 AM

If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

Do not just wait for luck alone, work for it and with patience and persistency too, you will be successful in time because of your hardwork and luck working hand in hand. But make it a habit too to keep praying anywhere and everywhere because if you pray and work, it will always come to you as quickly as you want it to be as long as God sees you’ll benefit from it. Because even how hardwork you are and how lucky you are, as long as it’s never meant for you, it will never be given to you.

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Success is a combination of a lot of factors with luck in the mix. However it is not the main ingredient for success there is more through it. No person never became successful by doing nothing. To succeed you must be resilient, to succeed you must be disciplined, to succeed you must have a network of Friends that are willing to push you up financially, materially, academically.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Some sort of if we do speak about being lucky on what investment or business that you are dealing with because we know that not all does really succeed on investment world on where no matter how hard you do

work and make some effort, if your products and services arent really that in demand when you do have a physical business then pretty sure it would end up bankrupt and if you are doing some online investment
and other business but turns out not to be recognized then it would be still ending up on a failure.

This is why i could say that it is really needing up some sort of luck for you to have success on whatever you are dealing with but i would really go into the side of extreme effort and
planning where it is the main ingredients for you to succeed but its not something guaranteed though.

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You are focused and consistent it will achieve that success. I think it will bring you good luck. Because success will always be side by side hard work with luck. The more you work hard, the greater the probability to meet luck.
Success due to luck is only temporary, success due to hard work lasts a long time. Luck is the result of trying, there is no word luck if you don't try.

I agree with that that luck will not come if we don't make any effort,
so don't think that luck will come alone because after all luck is the fruit of our hard work,
it's better to focus on hard work and not think about luck.

I think it's still possible. What about those poor people who doesn't do anything but then someone can just knock on their doors and give them some assistance? Also when we just merely walk in the streets, we can get lucky because we can see a money lying around or a valuable thing but of course, these are only small and can be rare to happen so if we want to elevate it then there is only one way of doing it and that is by working hard and learning more skill.

Being good to others do also helps. The fruit of our hardwork is not what you call a luck but it was the fruit itself. Luck is when something which you don't expect suddenly came to you. It was a great feeling.

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luck sometimes takes an important role in life. But still everything must be passed through an effort or hard work. Analysis and intelligence in taking a path in a business or smart in seeing an opportunity are the big things that lead someone to success.

But indeed in the end a destiny of life sometimes leads a person on the path of success through luck so that all the paths taken are easy and rarely fail. But if we ask people who have been successful. then they will say that they also had a few failures before becoming successful. and most of them will say that they are lucky because they don't give up when they fail and keep trying and learning from mistakes and they fix mistakes until they finally achieve success.

so luck is for those who don't give up and keep trying. Because God is Most Just. So that in essence we are all given the opportunity in the same luck. but it depends on us whether to choose not to give up and pick up luck or instead we fail because we have given up and are not optimal in trying.

if you are still not successful in your business. believe me if you don't give up on your efforts then one day you will get success or success.

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The effort is the basis that will open wider your luck to achieve success. So both of them support each other, not having inequality in one of them.
My thoughts about some of the successful people around me are, how hard a person's efforts will determine how high the level of success will be achieved later, and how capable they're of maintaining that success.

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Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

Of course, to have success requires many factors, not just luck, and just lack of a certain factor makes it difficult for you to succeed. If you say that success also requires luck, even though that's the last factor you mentioned, then obviously you won't be successful without luck.

I am still not successful, but I am a living witness of luck, I had a tough life before, and I couldn't even pay my debt even though I worked hard all day and every day. But everything turned a new page in my life when I was helped by a stranger with a job I never knew about before. As of now, not only have I paid off my old debt, but I have savings, investments, and things that I thought I would never have even if I worked my whole life.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts.

There is no luck if you don't want to start, luck will come if someone is diligent and consistent in pursuing their dreams, there is no pure luck if you don't work hard to achieve results, because hard work will determine results if done diligently and in accordance with skills, successful people will not never stop before what is desired is achieved, while people who fail will find excuses and blame the efforts that have been made.

Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

It must start with consistency, focus and don't forget to pray, because hard work without prayer is arrogant and prayer without hard work is a lie, the rest let luck and destiny decide as long as we do the process correctly.

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Quote from: visionE2 on January 29, 2023, 12:50:28 AM

You are focused and consistent it will achieve that success. I think it will bring you good luck. Because success will always be side by side hard work with luck. The more you work hard, the greater the probability to meet luck.
Success due to luck is only temporary, success due to hard work lasts a long time. Luck is the result of trying, there is no word luck if you don't try.

I agree with that that luck will not come if we don't make any effort,
so don't think that luck will come alone because after all luck is the fruit of our hard work,
it's better to focus on hard work and not think about luck.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more.

Luck does favor a lot in the process of getting successful, but in order to keep the success you have to put lots of effort in it too. Getting successful is hard but keeping it is much harder. I have seen many people getting successful with luck and then after they have achieved it, they don't put any effort to keep it as it is. You may get inspired by your family members who are successful by luck, but have a look at their current life. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to keep the success.
So I think you need both in your life.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

That I would say was just a laid-back explanation for it. you know what they say, “Luck Is What Happens When Preparation Meets Opportunity" What do you think would have happened if your uncles were not prepared or didn't have the knowledge that is required to excel in that field? you still need to do the work like in this story of the Beatles one of the most famous rock bands and best-selling bands in history. When the band moved from London to the US to play at clubs, they played for an average of 8 hours, for 270 nights in about 2 years. This time gave them the opportunity to constantly improve on their craft, thus that by the time they had their first burst of success, they had performed live an estimated 1200 times, making them adequately prepared by the time the opportunity came by.
So, if you are not prepared, you cannot recognize the luck that has come before you or take advantage of it.

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I think the element of luck is important to success but if you ignore the effort it is just a stroke of luck and cannot become a standard view on the matter. The more you try, the more luck you get!

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In my view, luck is only a expressions of success, I prefer that opportunities come to those who try and have the ability, I think that's the reality, while people who rely on luck on average are gamblers.
But there are some expressions that say luck, like lucky I used to learn computers, lucky I used to trade, lucky I used to buy bitcoin otherwise I wouldn't be this rich for example, so in my opinion there is no success through luck, there is only ability and our efforts in executing opportunities, and lucky sentences are expressions of disbelief for what has been done. CMIWW

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

In my opinion, this is the most important secret of prosperity.

Success is a probabilistic event. It all depends on luck, so in order to succeed, you need to increase your chances of winning. For this you need to constantly work. This is (probably) the main difference between successful people and unsuccessful ones.

Losers do not believe in their luck, so they ignore projects in which the future reward is not guaranteed. Such people choose for themselves hired labor with guaranteed wages.

Successful people believe in their luck and are willing to take risks.

They are engaged in investments, organize their business, participate in adventurous projects. As a result, they have a chance to earn big money.

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