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For me, luck is like 50/50 so we better not depend on it. Let's say that a hard worker has much bad luck in life, he will continue to live normally or a little below that line compared to a lazy person with strings of bad luck in life.

No one says you depend on or rely on luck for success. First, you need to work and try your best, and if fate gives you the opportunity plus tireless efforts, you will succeed. Luck is just one of many factors that help us succeed, it is not the key to our success.
People who get a large amount of money through luck, like winning the lottery, and if they don't work hard, they will also become poor quickly.

“Luck is just one of many factors that help us succeed, it is not the key to our success.” On the contrary, luck is the key to our success although there are many factors that contribute to success. Anything that is successfully done can be copied except luck. I believe you are quite a hard worker but what you may lack is just luck. Speaking of your winning a lottery case and losing money quickly if mishandled, that’s a perfect example for what comes around goes around, it has nothing to do with “success” or “hard work”.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on May 14, 2023, 02:09:00 PM

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For me, luck is like 50/50 so we better not depend on it. Let's say that a hard worker has much bad luck in life, he will continue to live normally or a little below that line compared to a lazy person with strings of bad luck in life.

No one says you depend on or rely on luck for success. First, you need to work and try your best, and if fate gives you the opportunity plus tireless efforts, you will succeed. Luck is just one of many factors that help us succeed, it is not the key to our success.
People who get a large amount of money through luck, like winning the lottery, and if they don't work hard, they will also become poor quickly.

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Quote from: axxo on May 13, 2023, 08:24:45 PM

Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

Success can never happen when there’s no luck and efforts put together. Luck alone is not sustainable, much more on efforts as everything should be work out so that a desired goal will be reached. That’s why in order to be successful in life, one must attract luck and efforts altogether. You must be lucky and optimistic to see life’s opportunities, and then take advantage of them while opportunities are still within your control.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I think that luck is the thing which creates billionaires. As for people who achieved financial stability and some grade of prosperity, this is more about dedication and being smart (as you correctly mentioned). Making efforts is, I think, enough to have a good, or even really high income, luck is the main factor in billionaire-scale earnings.

Billionares are created by hardworking people who are genious and who make use of every opportunity given to them, who have good leadership qualities who know how to make use people potential.
Luck can be a factor in success but that's secondary , primary thing is your efforts and determination.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I think that luck is the thing which creates billionaires. As for people who achieved financial stability and some grade of prosperity, this is more about dedication and being smart (as you correctly mentioned). Making efforts is, I think, enough to have a good, or even really high income, luck is the main factor in billionaire-scale earnings.

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I understand that success is often influenced by many factors such as effort, perseverance, skill and even luck. Effort and perseverance make it possible for people to achieve their goals, create opportunities and exploit the unexpected to make their work more efficient. However, luck and external factors can play an important role in success. Therefore, we should not view success as simply luck or just overcoming effort. Instead, to achieve success, we need to combine effort and perseverance with taking advantage of opportunities and being willing to accept luck and other external factors to achieve our goals.

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I respect your opinion of or viewpoint on your uncles, but I am confident that their success was not solely due to luck; rather, it was their hard work and good judgment, and luck was simply a bonus. For instance, you might claim that they got a big client because of pure luck, but the truth is that they did so because they worked so hard beforehand and those clients had recommended them. Although you still stated that you would make an effort and attempt to make luck work in your favor, I don't see anything wrong with you, so just keep working hard and making an effort regardless of what you think about luck.

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Quote from: Distinctin on May 15, 2023, 07:54:43 AM

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Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

Both luck and efforts play significant roles to success. When you’re lucky, you get vast opportunities in life which will be life changing for you. But that won’t ends there. You need to put an action in every opportunity that comes, and take calculated risks so you can make the most of it. Endless efforts should be made at least so that success will be a guaranteed one along with your patience and perseverance in everything that you do.

luck not only plays a part in our success, but in my opinion, it also plays an important role in our success. if we are unlucky, opportunities will never come our way, that's why there are still many people who work hard but fail because they don't meet or seize any opportunities. but when there is an opportunity, we must work for it to succeed, we will not succeed if we do nothing. You are right, luck and effort are necessary and sufficient conditions for a person to be successful.

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Quote from: axxo on May 13, 2023, 08:24:45 PM

Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

Both luck and efforts play significant roles to success. When you’re lucky, you get vast opportunities in life which will be life changing for you. But that won’t ends there. You need to put an action in every opportunity that comes, and take calculated risks so you can make the most of it. Endless efforts should be made at least so that success will be a guaranteed one along with your patience and perseverance in everything that you do.

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From my perspective , success is basically determined by both combined ( Luck + Effort ) and undoubtedly there is a plenty of other important factors who could help you in order to get a short cut way to achieve goals such as intelligence, discipline, decisiveness, confidence and creativity. In addition to that, I truly believe that continuous improvement is one the main keys to achieve success. The condition always changes by time and the future is unfortunately not promised , you should adapt yourself in every new situation , fix mistakes and create opportunities , that’s how you can improve your productivity and efficiency.

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Quote from: cryptoknightt on May 14, 2023, 03:42:49 PM

Maybe it's true that luck is one of our indicators of success, but we can't stop trying and waiting for luck to come to us, and what's more important is how we use that luck as best we can.

The problem is, we don't know when luck will come. so there's no such thing as an ideal word for using luck as best you can, even that sounds a little biased. even so, we agree that success will not come if there is no action and effort. all of that, depending on ourselves.

I always believe, if luck and success go hand in hand. the two are related to one another. there is no luck without effort, let alone success. everything, has its way but it must be accompanied by effort, hard work, then let luck decide. we are very well aware, that luck is not always on our side even though we have tried as hard as possible. but that does not mean, success is determined by luck, especially without effort. yes, as the title of this thread. In essence, everyone has their own understanding of the definition of success. and everyone, has a way to achieve success even though the luck has not been with us. but one thing for sure, every process will never betray the result. similarly every effort will get results, but it all depends on how we go through the process.

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Quote from: safar1980 on May 14, 2023, 12:48:28 PM

I study cryptocurrency trading and interesting statistic is that margin traders go bankrupt after a few months and inexperienced spot traders go bankrupt within a year. Probably everyone wants to get rich quick and do not want to spend a lot of time on training. If you can stay in the game for as long as possible, then you will make fewer mistakes and start earning. I think that the big risks that traders or businessmen take are the cause of many failures. Some of the people win, of course, but we must not forget that for one winner there are dozens of people who lose.

And this could change the view of what OP had said about success as it was not purely luck but also hard work. Hardworking and patient people often gain success compared to impatient people. Because success won't come too easily and never comes to us if we don't chase it. Definitely, we need to find a way to reach it like we are climbing a mountain and then reaching the top as the finish point.
As we more determined to get our goal in life, it was not impossible to earn success but yes, it takes time and probably years.

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Maybe it's true that luck is one of our indicators of success, but we can't stop trying and waiting for luck to come to us, and what's more important is how we use that luck as best we can.

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Most of the time when I hear people that depend on luck, they are a little lazy and lack effort in order to have better lives. Probably because whether they work hard or not, fate will determine their success, which is not a good mentality. Your uncles have the same mentality on luck but their stories are different, they work very hard which is commendable and they really deserved to be where they are now, successful businessmen.

For me, luck is like 50/50 so we better not depend on it. Let's say that a hard worker has much bad luck in life, he will continue to live normally or a little below that line compared to a lazy person with strings of bad luck in life.

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I study cryptocurrency trading and interesting statistic is that margin traders go bankrupt after a few months and inexperienced spot traders go bankrupt within a year. Probably everyone wants to get rich quick and do not want to spend a lot of time on training. If you can stay in the game for as long as possible, then you will make fewer mistakes and start earning. I think that the big risks that traders or businessmen take are the cause of many failures. Some of the people win, of course, but we must not forget that for one winner there are dozens of people who lose.

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Your uncles might be trying to be humble may be so that you won't think they are proud, though I like the fact that you mentioned that are hard workers because luck will only work for you if you tread on that path. Some people just got lucky either to have rich parents or parents with connections but without these two you have to work for your luck to become successful

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Re: Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort.
They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

To what extent we strive then it will determine the level of success. The success of hard work is not luck, but the result of hard work. It is not a matter of gambling whose success is based on luck. Of course destiny will determine the result of hard work. Fate is different from luck. So it's not right to say fate or luck.

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Quote from: eXtremal on May 14, 2023, 03:43:58 AM

well it's like 50:50 both are needed in the road to success. if you try but it fails because of misfortune it's like the thing that makes us disappointed. but this luck does not come from effort but from our supplication to god. Luck is invisible so we have to know when we should feel lucky when we shouldn't chase something if it becomes a failure in the future.

Honestly some individuals did absolutely all the needed requirement to become successful unfortunately luck wasn't on their side despite all their efforts which was in futile, meanwhile some did even lesser than those requirement fortunately they became successful thus it is an equal chance of becoming successful, though in some cases country of residence also determine success, for instance we can't compare success rate in a developed country with the success rate of a developing country due to disparities in amenities and infrastructures that will bring about success with a little luck those countries.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 13, 2023, 12:43:34 PM

How come anything is possible to achieve without doing any effort, your achievements success totally depends on your efforts and hard work luck can be an additional factor in that but not fully depend on your luck.
Hard work makes everything possible and your success depends upon that.

I agree with you, to achieve success in our life actually requires consistent effort and hard work. While luck can be an additional factor that helps, continued success rarely comes down to sheer luck. so, Hard work is the key factor to be able to make people successful.

For me Luck is where Preparedness meets Opportunity. So actually luck can be made and it can't suddenly come alone. Success requires long preparation, success is also not a gift, ability is defeated by will.
those who say "success is luck" only weaken competitors so as not to overtake those who are successful.

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Quote from: axxo on May 13, 2023, 08:24:45 PM

Luck can play a role in success, it may present opportunities but it depends on the individuals to take advantage of them through their own efforts and persistence. But luck alone is not enough to guarantee success. Hard work, perseverance and other factors can also play significant role to attain success. Ultimately success is a combination of luck and effort. Success can be defined in many different ways and what may be considered lucky or successful for one person may not be the same for another.

What I know is that we have something called "Life is a Journey" and Life is a destiny" It seems like this is the belief of others that most poor people are born poor and die poor. Which is not me. believe that "Life is a destiny. Because we have a choice to get out of the poverty of the life we are in.

And if you are the person who does not want to remain poor for the rest of your life, you will now find a way to get out and get the dream you want through the opportunities and systems you will apply. Now if you are a poor person and you bet on the lottery and suddenly you get the jackpot prize of let's say 1M$ it can be said to be luck because the only effort is to go to the lottery outlet and just to bet.

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