Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort. - page 8.

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Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small.

I agree with you bro, I don't even believe in luck alon, those days are gone ✌️, every luck has a trace of little or great effort.

OP, Everybody has their own different beliefs about what their faith is and what has made them who they are, but I believe that all faith without work is ill.

To believe in luck, you must first be good at one thing, and to be good at one thing, you must put in little effort. All my life, I have never seen anyone make success out of nothing. My grandpa would tell me the story of their days, when one could just get a job immediately after completing senior secondary school; then, the employers would come pick you up at your house for employment, and you wouldn't need to stress at all for the job to get hired, but, bro, I think those days are gone.

Manners are no longer falling from heaven these days unless you put in your effort. I can believe that some people may put all their efforts into something and still get no good result, while some people only put in little effort and get enveloped by luck, but I strongly believe that today, zero effort is zero success. Any way is just my opinion.

That is correct - I am a hard worker and I worked to be financially independent but I failed terrible - - nothing in my life worked.
What I have won in lucky draw was the crockery set and an ipod.
Nothing more than that. I agree with OP - sometime luck makes you rich! in fact most of the times

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Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small.

I agree with you bro, I don't even believe in luck alon, those days are gone ✌️, every luck has a trace of little or great effort.

OP, Everybody has their own different beliefs about what their faith is and what has made them who they are, but I believe that all faith without work is ill.

To believe in luck, you must first be good at one thing, and to be good at one thing, you must put in little effort. All my life, I have never seen anyone make success out of nothing. My grandpa would tell me the story of their days, when one could just get a job immediately after completing senior secondary school; then, the employers would come pick you up at your house for employment, and you wouldn't need to stress at all for the job to get hired, but, bro, I think those days are gone.

Manners are no longer falling from heaven these days unless you put in your effort. I can believe that some people may put all their efforts into something and still get no good result, while some people only put in little effort and get enveloped by luck, but I strongly believe that today, zero effort is zero success. Any way is just my opinion.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck.

meeting good friends is good luck - having a harmonious and trustworthy family is also good luck, even knowing this forum can also be said to be lucky. so the conclusion is that things in this world are inseparable from luck.

Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

one thing that is very beautiful about successful older siblings is that they want to share their life stories/experiences, and for me, it is worth more than money because, from the experiences they tell, we can get the knowledge that we would not have been able to get when we were young. I also once received advice from my uncle who was successful in running a cargo business, he said that hard work without luck is futile, so be kind to everyone so that luck will stop at you.

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It's more of a combination of luck and effort for me because you need to do something to get something back. It would be best if you still took action for those opportunities to become successful. Like you can have an interview for a job with great pay and benefits, the luck aspect, but if you do well, that will be yours for a short time since you won't make an effort. So that's always going to be a combination.

You should know what you are doing and focus on what you can do and control. It's best to have a great mindset and efficient effort for what you want, and then success can come.

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Being successful is a different story for everybody some are lucky and others with hard work, and establishing a business currently is not as easy as it was then because now government policies are not favorable for starters at all and so many factors, especially in my own region, if you have made up your mind to achieve anything in life you should also prepare your mind against the challenges and the number one thing is that never give up.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

If their success is based on luck then be sure they are not actually rich as they aren't sure how long they will be lucky with the riches.
I know of someone on this forum who became very riches by holding strongly to Christain principles that gurantee riches. Now he is so rich that he can get any amount of money he wants from worthy businesses. His riches wasn't based on luck. He simply played by the good rules that guarantees riches and he got very rich but living like a poor man

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on January 28, 2023, 09:51:31 AM

If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

Do not just wait for luck alone, work for it and with patience and persistency too, you will be successful in time because of your hardwork and luck working hand in hand. But make it a habit too to keep praying anywhere and everywhere because if you pray and work, it will always come to you as quickly as you want it to be as long as God sees you’ll benefit from it. Because even how hardwork you are and how lucky you are, as long as it’s never meant for you, it will never be given to you.

Those are the ways we have to do if we want to get successful. Pray, be patient, persevere, work, and luck will come without us realizing it and only knowing that we have achieved what we want. And when we have achieved it, we should not be arrogant and it is better to keep working hard as usual and be more grateful to achieve other successes. And even though we were never destined for it, if we work hard to achieve it, we will get something better.

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It's definitely a combination of both, there are no ways about it.

The thing is, yes, you could say that it is "fundamentally determined by luck", in SOME cases, but if you would to dissect it and, let's say, make a statistics/data overview out of it, I would be extremely confident that it's a combination of both in a large %. Your effort is what "provokes" the potential of luck presenting to you.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

If from the point of view of some of your extended family who are now successful businessmen, it is because of luck that they became rich, maybe I will respect them for their belief.

Because for me, not all successful business people say that they were able to reach their dreams in life because of luck. Because if luck is the basis for being a successful entrepreneur, then there should be no hard work and patience and they just waited for their luck. But that's not what most successful people say, but because of hard work, patience, and the right system they used made them successful. Therefore, the word luck is not the right formula for us to succeed in our lives.

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Success is not a measure of how we've contributed our efforts towards achieving it, neither does it account as a result of being a lucky one to be successful in life, it's combines the two altogether to make the perfect match in which we all have to give the very best efforts towards making it in life and in so doing, we may experience that luck with an opportunity it may present us along the process, we determine what we see through our actions and determinations.

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There is definitely luck but fate is largely controlled by your actions not completely leave 90 percent control to karma and 10 percent to luck. You put a lot of effort into a job that wasn't supposed to happen but still failed to reach the main goal. It is because of your luck if you work hard and succeed, it is also because of work hard for this you must act. Then it's good if it succeeds, but if it doesn't bad luck. But if you leave everything to luck you will never succeed.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

There have been errors in defining success. Apart from being ridiculous, maybe you are not too philosophical about how success is not complex and is determined by only one factor. You are now working and that includes a business. Don't pretend it's simple and only depends on luck. If you are someone who depends on luck and let everything stand in place then why should you painstakingly work and spend time?

Maybe that applies to people around you, doesn't mean that everything applies in general.

Answer my question: you said that now you do work consistently, isn't that part of your business? try to answer !!

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the word success is often the runway for some people who want to change their lives when they find opportunities in every field they want to get into. But as Op said sometimes luck comes to those who dare to take risks and that's only 1% of most of them. The chances of winning are very small if you are not accompanied by large capital and have brilliant ideas in the field you are working on.

Besides that, one thing you can do to achieve success with adequate financial factors is to work hard in real life before other people praise the success you will get in the future.

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I agree that success requires luck, no matter how talented you are, without luck, you will never succeed. But that's not why we don't make an effort, we still have to make an effort and keep trying even if we're not lucky because if we don't make an effort, we'll get worse.

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It's great that you've had the opportunity to reconnect with successful uncles from your extended family and hear about their experiences. It's true that hard work is important for success, but luck and opportunity can also play a big role. The key is to be prepared for those opportunities when they come, and to keep working hard so that when luck does come your way, you're in a position to take advantage of it. It's also important to remember that success doesn't always mean monetary wealth, success can come in many forms, such as personal growth, happiness, and a sense of fulfillment. So, focus on your goals, work hard, be open to new opportunities and don't forget to enjoy the journey

I also believe that luck could play a big role in success. But never rely for luck alone, as we don’t even know when will it actually hit us. So let’s focus on taking advantage first on every opportunity that comes and always give the best for it so that when luck finally comes, all our efforts and hardwork will paid off, plus the luck that will finally put us in a great position. As there’s no main ingredient in success, but if you pour hardwork on it, most likely you’ll get lucky too at the end of the day. That’s how success happens.

Luck can definitely play a role in success, but relying solely on it is not a sustainable strategy. We can't control when luck will come our way, but what we can control is how we prepare and make the most of every opportunity that comes our way.

"Fortune favours the brave"

By putting in the hard work, we increase our chances of success and when luck finally comes knocking, we'll be ready to take full advantage of it. It's all about being proactive and putting in the effort to make our dreams a reality. And like you said, success happens when we put in the work and pour our hearts into it.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Success is not determined by luck, but without luck, we will not be successful. In addition to the effort to work hard, be smart and do more than others, luck is the factor that helps us succeed. But that's not why we don't work, don't try, but just wait for luck, luck will never come to us. Luck here, means you do many things, give your best effort, and you find the truth, the way to success, not do nothing and then the luck will come by itself.

Luck is indeed one of the factors that makes us achieve success, but that doesn't mean we can just sit idly by and wait for the luck to come to us. There must be effort and hard work to invite the luck to come to us. As humans, we can only try and do all things, successful or not, let success find its own way. Because in my belief I speak like that, trying to achieve success is one thing that is mandatory for me, but once again it is fate that will later speak about the answers to the efforts we make.

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Quote from: Marvell1 on January 30, 2023, 03:22:26 AM

Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Success is not determined by luck, but without luck, we will not be successful. In addition to the effort to work hard, be smart and do more than others, luck is the factor that helps us succeed. But that's not why we don't work, don't try, but just wait for luck, luck will never come to us. Luck here, means you do many things, give your best effort, and you find the truth, the way to success, not do nothing and then the luck will come by itself.

True and I think we need to understand what luck is because basically luck will not come if we don't keep trying and working hard,
as long as we don't do anything i guess don't wish for luck,
the most important thing is keep trying to do your best.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Success is not determined by luck, but without luck, we will not be successful. In addition to the effort to work hard, be smart and do more than others, luck is the factor that helps us succeed. But that's not why we don't work, don't try, but just wait for luck, luck will never come to us. Luck here, means you do many things, give your best effort, and you find the truth, the way to success, not do nothing and then the luck will come by itself.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

It is undeniable that luck plays a factor as there is no way to control the opportunities that you can receive out of life, but if your family members were not hard workers those opportunities would not have appeared at all, so hard work is still a must, it is just that even if you work hard you may not get the success you have been looking for, but if you refuse to work hard then you will depend entirely on your luck, and very few people get successful on luck alone.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more.

Luck does favor a lot in the process of getting successful, but in order to keep the success you have to put lots of effort in it too. Getting successful is hard but keeping it is much harder. I have seen many people getting successful with luck and then after they have achieved it, they don't put any effort to keep it as it is. You may get inspired by your family members who are successful by luck, but have a look at their current life. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to keep the success.
So I think you need both in your life.

You are talking about another very important issue but yes, I completely agree with what you say. My family members have also been doing a great job keeping their status so they are the living proof. I have inherited both mentality to continue to do my best in my life. Thanks.

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