Topic: Success is fundamentally determined by luck, not effort. - page 6. (Read 1298 times)

you started a quite interesting topic about luck, in my perspective, we tend to think that way. For example, if i take my example, back in 2020 i was struggling to take admission in university as i had not have financial support from my parents back then so i was on my own, well one of my relatives talked to me and convinced me to carry on my studies and he was ready to pay for me. Well, i started and then i went for a job interview in my first semester. Now where was the twist was, i wanted to do BS in Software Engineering, And i wanted to do it in a good university. But my luck took me to an average university to study in BS Computer Science. Well, i was like ok, let's flow with it as i had no other choice other than working.

So, in the first semester, during the interview i got two options, to work or to delay my studies, so i thought too much and chose studies over work even in the bad financial situation then i made a friend in uni and he helped me a lot in skills and making money online and boom, from then i am earning more than that job which i dropped in 2020. And i think luck was everything.

And at some point, you do realize that what if i rejected my uncle's offer, what if i stick to my plan of doing BSSE in a good university, What if i accepted that job offer (where there was no room to grow). Life is full of What if possibilities, and you chose only one, and it's up to us to choose the right way, and when you adopt the best honest policy door to success will open from sources that you can't even imagine.

So, i think you are wrong, our efforts determine our luck and even if we can't achieve success after efforts, we should pray to Allah and ask him to change luck because prayer can change luck.

You’ll be surprised to see how so much people thrive from being just at the right place at the right time. Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and many other entities we praise for their hardwork and success, ultimately attribute luck towards the reasons why they are what they are right now. These people, whole smart, persevering, and industrious, wouldn’t get anywhere if they didn’t have the emerald mine, the Harvard degrees, and tons of cash to jumpstart their businesses. This basically solidifies the fact that luck plays a much larger role to someone’s success, more than what we don’t want to let out or admit.

Celebrities too! They wouldn’t really be right where they are just because they’re talented, they are there bdcause they are beautiful and handsome! Would you attribute that kind of advantage with “perseverance and strength?” I don’t think so!

I am agree with you, most of people said that hard work will give good results for our effort to be successful or rich or etc. it is not false, but a luck handle some part of all those hard efforts. If you do not give a lot of effort, less percentage the luck comes to you.

You are right. To succeed in this life, we must do big efforts. We will never achieve anything if we never do anything. We can't expect to succeed if we just sit and rely on luck like in gambling games. Without effort, luck will never come since it has no reason to happen. Just imagine that you want to be a successful businessman, it won't happen if you have no business. Relying on luck without doing anything is an impossible dream, only stupid people do this way. 

Hard work isn't enough to gain success but I believe luck is also a part of it.
I agree that many rich people turn their millions into zero but this is not because they are working hard, they might putting into something that they are not good at, which means that they are pretty unlucky not to work it out despite the effort and hard work they did. In fact, even myself, it sometimes happens and sometimes we also need to give up on those investments that never work well otherwise, this will bring us to bankruptcy.

Yes, others call it luck, but there are people who are in the right place at the right time and that is opportunity. So we should really strive for the best and work out ass of if we wanted to be successful. Don't rely on luck alone, it will not be on our sides all the time.

It's good to go to school, but they will not teach everything specially the art of making money. We need to discover it ourselves and when we find the formula for success then we stick to it. Again, it's the opportunity that will present itself, and we need to grab it.

Even if you do everything right, sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time. Sometimes you come to the right time and the right place thanks to your luck. Actually, I can't call it luck because it is destiny. Fate makes its plan for us and we live our lives according to our choices. That's why we hope that there are things in our destiny that will make us feel lucky.

I don't think so, the luck factor is indeed one of the important factors for us to be successful but it doesn't rule out the possibility that we can also be successful without it, the point is if we are diligent in trying to work hard not being lazy staying consistent with what we do I'm sure we can become successful people . because success is only for worthy people

Success doesn't come from going to school so don't think because someone didn't go to school that they won't be successful. Success comes from discipline, dedicating your life to achieve a goal and be focused while trying to achieve that goal. Your friend mightn't have gone to school but he had something many people don't have and that's dedication to their goals.

Success doesn't come from luck, that's gambling. Some people gamble and become successful but it doesn't mean luck equals to success. If you get your money from luck, you might lose it and can't make it back but anybody that got theirs through hardworks can rebuild.

I completely disagree with your experience that is, if it's true as you put it, luck can come knocking at anyone's door but what happens when you are not prepared for it? You will often hear from elders that opportunity comes but once but how can you grab the opportunity when you are not well ready to prepare for it? For any luck to come your way, you have to be ready in the sense that, you have what it takes to accommodate the luck. let's say for example, a job interview was posted for qualified candidates and you don't have the qualifications, even if there high chance of taking more applicants, do you think you are going to be allowed for the interview if you don't meet the requirement? They will never call you because you missed preparing for the opportunity.

Bear it in mind also, life is not fair, even the animal food chains are not fair, because you are hardworking throughout your entire life doesn't mean luck will locate you, if that is how the world works, everyone would have a better job and business to run daily but as I have said, that's how life works.

Many books have been written about success and luck in trading and investing. One of the best classic books is "Reminiscences of a Stock Operator". There are many stories of investors who went bankrupt many times, as well as rich people who lost their millions on investments.

Hard work coupled with luck will give great success but luck without hard work is nonsense because luck will be obtained by those who are trying not those who do nothing, because if that's true lazy people can be successful if luck comes to him

And it is true that success is not based on luck, because luck is something random, if success depends on luck then it becomes useless all the hard work that humans do to be able to achieve success. So what Op said was just a personal assumption because maybe he felt that he had worked very hard but did not achieve what other people achieved, which in fact we will not know how hard the other person tried until he finally became successful.

Pinpointing success to luck is an easy out - if you prefer to not take responsibility.
What can be considered luck in one instance, meeting the right person to work with, finding the right business niche at the right time, having the right skill for the job at the right time etc, cannot be attributed to luck if it keeps reoccuring.
If you put yourself in a position to connect to many people in a similar group of interest, if you stay focused on what you want to achive and keep looking out for the right opportunities and at the same time educate yourself about the relevant topics you will "attract luck" -> you kind of create a high probability chance to experience the right situations and connect with the right people and opportunities.
If you just lay back and spend your time with other things than those relevant to what you seek to achive, "business-success-luck" will probably not be part of your usual experience.

It is not like gambling that you are sitting and betting some small money on it and waiting for bigger return, life is not like that. I agree with you that lucks attract hard work that is why those rich people will always say that do your very best and be hard working on something for sure you'll be able to get that and the luck is just a 2nd factor on it. Relying on luck is not a good idea for sure you'll not going to be successful on it as it is still another term for lazy stuff.

Getting ahead of yourself definitely requires hard work and success, but luck plays a role in that. We often invest in different platforms but sometimes we blame fate when we lose a lot from them. There are many people who play different lotteries and they win they think it was written in their destiny. I also believe that it is never possible to get anything without luck. If there is no success in one's destiny then no business can be done in the future. But it is true that whether you are lucky or not, it does not depend on life, but if you work hard and try, you will get success once in a while.

I don't agree that success is based on luck rather than effort. it's because luck won't come if we don't try. The meaning, in this case, is that not all of our businesses can be successful, but by trying to find the best business, you will get a business that can make you successful. Is that lucky? no, it is done with effort and hard work. in fact, building a business or running a business is included in the effort. You will not get success just by waiting for luck. no one is successful if they just watch tv and sleep in their room waiting for their luck.

I am type of person who believe in luck but only that time when they have an ability willing to do hard work because luck will only goes to those person who never afraid to to hard work and put their effort until and unless they didn't got success. Yes effort is very important to achieves success, but your luck is also prominent, I have seen many people who worked hard to get success but they could achieve it because of their bad luck, so luck plays major role to achieve success. I am not saying you shouldn't effort, but luck is very important.

Luck will always play a factor but how influential it could be is simply not something we can know beforehand, and since that is the case we have no option but to work as hard as possible towards our goals and simply hope for the best, and in fact the more willing you are to work hard towards your goal the lesser the effect bad luck will have on your potential outcomes, while you will notice the opposite effect when it comes to good luck as you will take advantage of it as you will be in a great position to do so thanks to your hard work.

I think what you are saying is very direct because indeed success is always based on several factors and obviously not only by the luck factor because other factors that really support achieving success are also very necessary, such as the size of the effort as well as focus and consistency. which is better for your business. After all, luck is something that absolutely cannot be predicted by anyone when they are running their business, even though it is also a hidden desire for some people.

As long as you still have a good opportunity to continue to make good efforts, then never stop trying and hoping that success and luck will come to the efforts we are doing. Because it is very unexpected even though everyone has tried very well in their business. After all, a good business has more potential to get good results because effort never betrays the results. And even if the results are not in accordance with what has been tried, it means that the consistency is still not optimal so that the results are not in accordance with what has been tried.

I think Luck is an unexpected thing, everyone has certainly felt Luck, and everyone certainly hopes for success, because we do not know the final result, so the thing we have to do is do everything well, never think whether we will be successful or No, as long as we can do the best things, we have the opportunity to succeed.