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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

Yes, I generally agree to that statement. You can be a bright student or even a genius, handsome, hardworking, determined and what not but if you're out of luck you are never going to become rich and successful. This is partly true for myself - I've always been fighting against the odds, swimming against the tide. I did have some success but with some luck I'd probably become a billionaire. The same is true regarding my entire family, also in sports and all other endeavors. Peeps who are lucky are just blessed. Cool

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

This is so true i recently even read a research paper on this, luck plays a really major factor in determining many major careers, i read that how major ice hockey players are born in months of Jan to Match because that is the cut off for the age bracket and those guys are more aged at that time therefore get better training because are physically more grown so just your birth month would decide how better player you will be so obviously chance or fate does play a role in almost everything around us.

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Quote from: DOH! on January 28, 2023, 06:04:49 AM

Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

They might be just being humble, we know for a fact that lick without actions will not lead into any good results. Some were given some luck but losses it since they don’t know how to manage it like those 1day millionaire which wins in lotto and just happen to spend it into somethings else and didn’t save or bought some investment. Those who have knowledge will not make this opportunity to grew their profit more or to expand it so skills and knowledge is needed.

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If you want success, it takes hard work or effort to get on the right track and with luck coming your way, you can achieve that success in no time. But there is still an effort to start everything because if you just sit back and do nothing, luck will come to you for a long time.

We should focus on what we are doing and try as best and as hard as we can and then let it run itself and don't forget always to pray because this is the most important factor.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I respect your opinion or view on your uncles but I am sure that it is not pure luck that brought them to success, its the opposite it's their effort and decision making and that luck is just bonuses on it like example they've got a big client that they can gain profit but you will say that it was pure luck but the truth is that you've worked hard so much before and those clients before recommended you, still it has luck on it but it was a pure effort. Though I don't see anything wrong with you as you still mentioned that you'll make effort and try to make luck work for you, just continue your effort and hard work no matter what you think about luck but just continue it.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I think you might have misinterpreted what they meant or they did not realize themselves how luck contributed to success. Successful business people can often overlook the one trait that matters here: perseverance. Many businesses came about after the owner adapted and tried many different combinations, failing many times along the way but finally figuring out a "magic" formula that worked for them. People assume it is luck, but in actual fact they had the ability to change when they saw something was not working and let go of it. Luck can sometimes play a pivotal role, like being in the right place to land a very favorable contract, but often repeat business is what makes them true winners over the long term.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

When you start continuing the work consistently with greater focus, of course you also have to be smart enough right?
Because when someone who wants to continue a job while still stupid himself, how can he consistently focus on the work he wants to continue? I think one cannot ignore intelligence even though he can hope for luck in his business, because people who are smart in a field of work can definitely make a better focus and run their business more consistently.

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Luck doesn't generally mean not doing anything and getting rich out of it, you need to throw in some bold steps and work smart, this is why I used to tell my little ones that's there is two types of luck, one is getting something when or where you least expected and this happens once in a blue moon, the other is giving in all you can to become lucky, if one doesn't work the other will, it's called hard work with some sense.

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There is no single formula for success. Success is the destination. There are so many roads to get there, some short, some long, some smooth, some rough. Some succeeded by sheer hard work. Some succeeded by perseverance more than any other. Some succeeded by luck.

Some success stories involve people who started from the very bottom, slowly climbing to the top. Others involve a carefully planned path. Others involve a sudden stroke of luck. A janitor who finally became the manager of the company he has been working with after many years of hard work and dedication. A brilliant young man studied hard, topped the board exam, and hired by a huge company. A drop out decided to just focus on his hobby and ended up managing his own business. A good-for-nothing lazy old man suddenly hitting the lotto mega jackpot.

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You're contradicting yourself lmao. "hard workers" then "let luck do the rest" isn't really what they did, they're hard work basically let them see or grab said luck/opportunity or whatever you call it. Without hard work, I hardly doubt successful people would exist. I won't deny that lucky people exist, I mean look at Fred Smith (FedEx), he gambled away the money left of his company when it was on the brink of bankruptcy and won, but that wasn't all there is, he used that money that he got from luck to create more opportunities for his business, which grew to what it is today.

Successful people don't let luck guide them, most of the time it can be said to be a culmination of all the efforts that they did in the past, which presented itself in a combined form and should be called opportunities instead of luck. Luck is a separate factor that exists, but isn't exactly a major cause of a breakthrough to a successful career, at least, most of the time.

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I am of the opinion that success is intentional and deliberate . Except for those who were born into success whom i can classify as lucky. The majority who grew their profile from scratch where they had nothing to a good success just like OP relations were gradually getting prepared for their big success while they endured those days of their little beginning.

I am not disputing the fact people get lucky at times to get success they didn't labor so hard for, But with the high inflation rate this days does cases are rare it is no longer has common as it used to be. To me been successful mean been so intentional about getting what ever success one desires and if luck makes it easier in the cause of the building process then fine.

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Quote from: Marcellin9 on January 28, 2023, 04:10:49 AM

Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

I can quite grasp the conclusions you convey, and it can be said that luck plays a big role in our lives. just do consistently what you are doing every day (in this case I say a business) and hopefully luck will stay with you one day and the business you run will get bigger.

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I believe luck is important, but if you haven't done the groundwork you won't be able to take advantage of/leverage it when it comes

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Lol, this sounds ridiculous but I think the number of people who succeed by luck is very small. I also know some successful people who stay humble when it comes to their efforts and talk about their luck instead. However, I think that to be successful requires a lot of factors, not only effort, or luck but also perseverance, dedication, creativity... in which luck is just the last ingredient.

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Recently I have had numerous reunions with Uncles from my extended family. Some of them are successful businessmen for decades. They built their business from nothing and are living quite a comfortable life now. We had long conversations about life in general, including their key to success. I knew very well that they have been hard workers ever since I had a memory so I would contribute their success to endless efforts. However, one thing they had mentioned in common was luck. They believe pure luck made them meet and grasp those opportunities and become successful rather than their smartness and efforts. I've thought about this before and couldn't agree with this more. They've set very good examples to me, including my father, and now I tend to focus more on work itself consistently and let luck or fate takes the rest.

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