Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1609.

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Quote from: cognoscente on September 24, 2013, 01:59:40 PM

IMHO, KNC should be spending more time relaying progress reports from Orsoc, and less time getting blisters assembling a data center that they should have contracted out in the first place. I feel like a mushroom.

good point..why IT architects/developers/engineers wasting their time/energy during night shifts with drill in hand and posting pics of their blisters/injuries is the great unknown and definitely not professional manner.)

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Quote from: rizzman on September 24, 2013, 02:58:37 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 11:57:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 11:40:59 AM

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

Early in the BFL ASIC production threads there was speculation about what was causing the high error rate. Heat causing wrong firing of FETs or impure silicone and heat causing misfiring of FETS was speculated. Back in the late '70's I read somewhere about IC's failing in space due to radiation causing misfirings and that a special grade IC was then made for high radiation exposure. If the miner is scanned by a radiation emitting device it would probably not cause damage as the miner doesn't have power and disallowed states that may be created would likely be cleared later at boot.

If it's a carry on then an X ray I assume. Baggage within the US sometimes is scanned with a device that bombards with neutrons, counting those in versus those out as explosives absorb neutrons, hence the advice not to put wool clothing in airline baggage as wool absorbs neutrons and gets slightly radioactive after passing thru.

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Man, I can't wait to see security at Stockholm airport when dozens of casually dressed men turn up with a non-descript piece of electronic equipment in a box they *insist* on taking on-board as hand luggage Cheesy

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Quote from: DoomDumas on September 24, 2013, 03:05:41 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 01:04:04 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 12:59:43 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 12:58:05 PM

Quote from: RChevalier on September 24, 2013, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 12:23:56 PM

I've already paid 240USD for shipping, but I'm looking at ways to improve my ROI, so saving on delivery is one of them + maybe safer and quicker + I get to see Stockholm (again).

Is your $240 for both miners? or each? and how did you choose the express method?

My shipping to canada is $136.80 per miner and I never had an option to choose any method. It just says UPS ZONE 7.

And as far as I know according to the UPS zone chart, UPS ZONE 7 = importing from the United States, so I don't know what that's about.

$120.40 per Miner and no options to select. Carl told me over the phone it is UPS Express Saver.
Seems a bit expensive for delivery to UK, when you pay $136 to get it to Canada.
I'm UPS Zone 3.

I use UPS all the time. $120.40 for UPS Express Saver from Sweden to UK for something of that weight is not expensive at all, in fact is pretty much OK.

Then the guy from Canada should thank KNC for offering such a discounted price on delivery

What could be a disguting surprise is the custom fees that may apply if it is concidered as import from USA !!

It could be worse than that. Look what happened to Bitcentury in Russia:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3220533

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Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 01:04:04 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 12:59:43 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 12:58:05 PM

Quote from: RChevalier on September 24, 2013, 12:53:25 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 12:23:56 PM

I've already paid 240USD for shipping, but I'm looking at ways to improve my ROI, so saving on delivery is one of them + maybe safer and quicker + I get to see Stockholm (again).

Is your $240 for both miners? or each? and how did you choose the express method?

My shipping to canada is $136.80 per miner and I never had an option to choose any method. It just says UPS ZONE 7.

And as far as I know according to the UPS zone chart, UPS ZONE 7 = importing from the United States, so I don't know what that's about.

$120.40 per Miner and no options to select. Carl told me over the phone it is UPS Express Saver.
Seems a bit expensive for delivery to UK, when you pay $136 to get it to Canada.
I'm UPS Zone 3.

I use UPS all the time. $120.40 for UPS Express Saver from Sweden to UK for something of that weight is not expensive at all, in fact is pretty much OK.

Then the guy from Canada should thank KNC for offering such a discounted price on delivery

What could be a disguting surprise is the custom fees that may apply if it is concidered as import from USA !!

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Quote from: rizzman on September 24, 2013, 02:58:37 PM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 11:57:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 11:40:59 AM

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

It has no effect.

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Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: CYPER on September 24, 2013, 11:57:44 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 11:40:59 AM

They said, or rather Sam has said, can I make the weekend, this one?

A quick question: How do you plan on getting that miner back to the UK?
I'm asking because I've paid over 240USD for delivery and I'd rather get a ticket and bring them back myself, but I don't think they will survive in the checked in luggage and will not fit in the carry on luggage.

Lol when I first inquired months back, Sam said it would fit in hand luggage. that beast does not meet any hand luggage requirements I know of, but I reckon a clean swipe could take out one of Ryanair's boarding trolls. It may have to be checked in, in a bag with a lot of socks. This is another dilema. Train would take to long, but don't those now have elec outlets and free wifi??

Anyone know how X-rays affect SSD's? (assuming the OS will be written to SSD) since the thing will probably have to go through security's X-ray

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Quote from: tempestb on September 24, 2013, 02:21:27 PM

I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together? I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done. That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs. So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out? Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak? Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

I don't recall exactly what interface KnC using. I wonder if the ball grid array in general was preferred over pins for the cost benefit or if it had to do with switching speed and spurious signal transmission in the radio frequency range. But, BGA seems to have a higher failure rate than a pin/socket arrangement I think. I'm not well versed in these matters so this is just speculation.

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Quote from: rizzman on September 24, 2013, 02:43:01 PM

Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 11:35:20 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 11:24:33 AM

Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 11:21:53 AM

So, Bitcoinorama: are you going to be in Stockholm during the weekend? Maybe Monday?

Looks like they're confident enough to ask me to get a flight, so erm i think so. I mean to be fair I was always assuming I would be before, or around this point, but was beginning to question this internally recently myself. This really sounds like it will be down to the absolute wire, if they pull this off.

Just for clarity: they asked you to get a plane ticket - for when? When are you arriving to Stockholm? When will you return home?

I think this info is important in order to know when they expect to have the first units in hand.

From an Operational Security perspective you shouldn't ask him to disclose how / when he is travelling considering some of the nut-jobs on this forum. and the mixed demeanor towards him. Any endeavor where someone else money is on the line it is better to tread cautiously...

Just my two cents / military paranoia kicking in. Food for thought.

FWIW blatantly I'm not giving that info out. You want hashing vids, and a write-up from the wee hours, happy to oblige. But other Day oners should be making themselves known if they can pick up in Stockholm at a moments notice, inc. Mon PM if needs be.

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Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 11:35:20 AM

Quote from: Bitcoinorama on September 24, 2013, 11:24:33 AM

Quote from: Rampion on September 24, 2013, 11:21:53 AM

So, Bitcoinorama: are you going to be in Stockholm during the weekend? Maybe Monday?

Looks like they're confident enough to ask me to get a flight, so erm i think so. I mean to be fair I was always assuming I would be before, or around this point, but was beginning to question this internally recently myself. This really sounds like it will be down to the absolute wire, if they pull this off.

Just for clarity: they asked you to get a plane ticket - for when? When are you arriving to Stockholm? When will you return home?

I think this info is important in order to know when they expect to have the first units in hand.

From an Operational Security perspective you shouldn't ask him to disclose how / when he is travelling considering some of the nut-jobs on this forum. and the mixed demeanor towards him. Any endeavor where someone else money is on the line it is better to tread cautiously...

Just my two cents / military paranoia kicking in. Food for thought.

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Quote from: cognoscente on September 24, 2013, 02:14:08 PM

Quote from: -Redacted- on September 24, 2013, 02:07:34 PM

Opinions and assholes. Everyone has one. Why contract it out, if they felt like taking a break from behind their desks, and doing it themselves? Does everyone in the fucking world have to try to second guess how they run their operation Huh

Jesus...

A break is in order AFTER they ship the goods. Who died and left you in charge of policing opinions? Shocked

Nobody. The exact same person who died and left you in charge of deciding who should build KNC's data center...

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Updated ironic image.

Quote from: tempestb on September 24, 2013, 02:21:27 PM

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

Because KNC are professionals and have done this kind of thing before (unlike unnamed others)?

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Quote from: tempestb on September 24, 2013, 02:21:27 PM

I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together? I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done. That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs. So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out? Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak? Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

The answer, my boy, is the famed Swedish engineering, as exacting and precise as the proverbial Swedish watch!

Wait... was it Swedish? Swiss??

Anyhow, they can make watches everywhere now -- it's no big deal Angry

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I have a question, and am not trying to be a troll or anything, this is legit as I don't understand it and would like some clarity from someone who does understand it.

When the chip and the circuit board meet, doesn't there need to be some kind of testing to make sure the components are all working properly together? I know a lot of other companies struggled with this and took awhile to get things done. That's why folks like Avalon and BFL sent sample chips out so the guys making the boards and everything had time to tweak their designs. So why does it seem like KNC is just slapping the chip on the board and shipping it out? Or do they have both the chips and the boards now and are doing the tweaking as we speak? Does this have something to do with the fact that they took the design from an FPGA and didn't do any work on it, so that they know exactly what they need and it doesn't require tweaking?

Just trying to understand the process and why they can slap everything together in a weekend and be done with it, where others took a lot longer to do (What seems) like the same thing.

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My big toe tells me that they will assembly over the weekend and deliver day1 and day2 on monday

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Quote from: -Redacted- on September 24, 2013, 02:07:34 PM

Opinions and assholes. Everyone has one. Why contract it out, if they felt like taking a break from behind their desks, and doing it themselves? Does everyone in the fucking world have to try to second guess how they run their operation Huh

Jesus...

A break is in order AFTER they ship the goods. Who died and left you in charge of policing opinions? Shocked

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Quote from: pitchbend on September 24, 2013, 10:19:58 AM

Quote from: Mota on September 24, 2013, 10:09:24 AM

So yeah, 6 days effectively to produce and send the first 700+ units.

Wrong. Effective days of production begin only AFTER receiving the chips!, they have posted a video of a circuit board without chips because they obviously don't have them yet, rest assured the moment they have them in Sweden you'll see pics/videos.

Untrue. They could do almost every subassembly prior to receiving the chips.

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Opinions and assholes. Everyone has one. Why contract it out, if they felt like taking a break from behind their desks, and doing it themselves? Does everyone in the fucking world have to try to second guess how they run their operation Huh

Jesus...

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http://www.orsoc.se/?p=508

KNCminer offering first class BTCitcoin mining products with high performance.
In our partnership ORSoC will be responsible for product development, including design, production and testing.
Our technical expertise together with excellent vendor partnership we feel confident we quickly can design and produce an affordable high performance mining product.
More information about KNCminer available at www.kncminer.com
Questions regarding these products are handled by KNCminer.

IMHO, KNC should be spending more time relaying progress reports from Orsoc, and less time getting blisters assembling a data center that they should have contracted out in the first place. I feel like a mushroom.

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You can't be too unpopular - your ignore button isn't the slightest bit yellow.... Grin

Man, would I ever love to get that case full of stuff for Christmas....

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