Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 1859. (Read 3049501 times)
Can anyone tell me a simple way to figure out how many pages of posts deleting just TWO people from this entire thread would eliminate? There are 282 pages now and predominately it seems to be two people but I would love to know just how much of the 282 pages they are actually responsible for. If there was some simple tool to do that, I would like to use it on some other threads too.
My god you're an idiot.
You link to B2B info and Gov *drafts* and other assessments for consumers. Those are not laws, you doofus, and the B2B link is irrelevant. Which just goes to show you're generally talking out of your backside.
I'm raising a *specific* issue and you reply with *generic* drivel, why you've spent a whole lot of 30secs googling! How terribly responsible of you!
Thank you for putting me on ignore, I hope that'll spare me your useless "wall'o words" replies. FFS.
You're the idiot, the answer was very specific with links to provide a source to the following;
How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
BTW Section 75 was initially raised prior to business to business sales being a term of KnC's, but as you can see such protection does indeed cover unless there are exclusion clauses in their contract. I don't know how much more specific I can be, I've literally spelt it out for you. At no point have I said section 75 has any purpose outside if the UK, I've always stated it was a UK rule. I haven't a scooby why you've brought Belgium into this other than you make assumptions without reading.
This still doesn't address why I'm explaining this to someone with no interest in purchasing from KnC, let alone someone with enough consumer problems of their own with missing Avalon chips and funds you spent with a non-secure payment method?!
What really perplexes me though is why someone who cares so much about consumer protection and buyer recourse, especially for us (thanks bro
), is totally content with f**king coupons!?https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2911391
Go away KS.
P.s. the draft is a revision of an ACT that's existed since 1975, the revision is mainly clarification purposes and for virtual goods since the advent of the Internet.
@Bitcoinorama: did you ever get in touch with a lawyer re the section 75 consumer/commercial application? That would be really useful for UK ppl. (It's good you have your CC rep phone call recorded, but it's not really conclusive/binding).
No, and why would a company representative in their own legal/fraud department telling me to go ahead with a sale to be delivered at a future point in time outside of Paypal's own 45day protection not be conclusive?
Even if section 75 doesn't apply, they have stated they will uphold my purchase protection, which is why I have stated call and check with your card issuing bank, as I had read somewhere that third party payment processors such as Paypal and Amazon negate the Section 75 cover.
This is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER.
I would like to know about the clause stipulating that you are buying the equipment as a business vs as a consumer, given you want to be protected under s75 while *knowingly* infringing on the T&C's.
So it's like this: are the T&C's superseded by s75 or not? (i.e. can you disregard the article stipulating the commercial use of the device?)
Yes, and no according to the links below, will need to go through the KnC T&C's.
I realise you have been harping on about this without getting you hands dirty. I also appreciate you tried your best to stop KnC raising funds originally, to disappear for a sabbatical, to come back once they have removed all doubts of them being a genuine company and kick up FUD with the aim to discredit them. I just do not know your underlying reasons why. I also understand you invested in bulk Avalon chips, which offered no protection, be it consumer or statutory, so I don't know why this appears to be such an issue for you, perhaps you can clear this up. I mean no ill feeling towards anyone, and I'm genuinely upset for those of you who have been mistreated by Bitsyncom. I did not see what's occurred happening, as they truly did appear to be a safe bet.
In any case if you were that bothered about business to business sales and the recent revision of our statutory rights mid-June you would have googled it;
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-consumer-rights-bill
How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
I think you're obsessed.
Which part of "this is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER" did you not understand?
You have been blabbering about s75 for months while NEVER actually checking out the facts with ppl who actually deal with such issues (like... lawyers).
*I* did. And, contrary to what could possibly happen in the UK if it were to be, ever, confirmed by a lawyer, the "consumer" argument you've been beating like a dead horse does NOT apply in Belgium, which means your CC (mine if it were the case) will likely tell you (me) to fuck off if you (I) presented them with a claim (because you forfeited your consumer rights).
This also applies, believe it or not, to ALL the companies [that are not KNCMINER] that stipulate those terms in their T&C's.
Now, you've obviously no interest in actually finding a lawyer to check this out. Explain that.
(and try to stop putting irrelevant links that show you don't really understand the issue, it's not helping)
Ok as you try your hardest, please how do links detailing the UK Government's specific stance on this exact subject from the official UK Government website fail to help, and show I don't understand the issue? All I've shown is that I can uncover information you've been trying to use against KnC for months whilst picking holes in every aspect of them, their team, their site etc. in a matter of minutes.
Why couldn't you? Oh you didn't want to.
Why do you care so much about the business dealings of a company you have no interest in committing any funds to? Especially when there are so many shadier alternatives actively behaving irresponsible on this site right now.
Why would you, as consumer protection is of such huge importance to you, chose to support a purchase that has no consumer protection and involved financing through a non-protected, and at the time non-recognised currency? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the whereabouts of your own money/delayed product?
Congrats, you're back on ignore. I don't know why I ever believe you have everyone's best interest at heart KS, what's the real underlying motive, eh?
My god you're an idiot.
You link to B2B info and Gov *drafts* and other assessments for consumers. Those are not laws, you doofus, and the B2B link is irrelevant. Which just goes to show you're generally talking out of your backside.
I'm raising a *specific* issue and you reply with *generic* drivel, why you've spent a whole lot of 30secs googling! How terribly responsible of you!
Thank you for putting me on ignore, I hope that'll spare me your useless "wall'o words" replies. FFS.
this whole reseller shit is already getting ridiculous and pathetic.
Ahh yes,
one of them ways to suck more money from customers, a successful scam into a full pyramid scheme.
Sweden is not a third world country. There are consequences for committing fraud.
Not saying that alone will deter people from committing fraud, but this will be a short live fraud scheme if it turn out to be one.
this whole reseller shit is already getting ridiculous and pathetic.
Ahh yes,
one of them ways to suck more money from customers, a successful scam into a full pyramid scheme.
There obviously needs to be a sticky at the top of every section on HOW TO QUOTE.
I can assure you that we don't need to re-read the SAME BLOCK OF TEXT THAT HAS APPEARED ON THE PAGE SEVEN TIMES.
If you take that much time to type a reply, edit out the redundant blocks of text for fuck's sake.
I can assure you that we don't need to re-read the SAME BLOCK OF TEXT THAT HAS APPEARED ON THE PAGE SEVEN TIMES.
If you take that much time to type a reply, edit out the redundant blocks of text for fuck's sake.
In case anyone cares, results suggest it's a popular choice;
@Bitcoinorama: did you ever get in touch with a lawyer re the section 75 consumer/commercial application? That would be really useful for UK ppl. (It's good you have your CC rep phone call recorded, but it's not really conclusive/binding).
No, and why would a company representative in their own legal/fraud department telling me to go ahead with a sale to be delivered at a future point in time outside of Paypal's own 45day protection not be conclusive?
Even if section 75 doesn't apply, they have stated they will uphold my purchase protection, which is why I have stated call and check with your card issuing bank, as I had read somewhere that third party payment processors such as Paypal and Amazon negate the Section 75 cover.
This is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER.
I would like to know about the clause stipulating that you are buying the equipment as a business vs as a consumer, given you want to be protected under s75 while *knowingly* infringing on the T&C's.
So it's like this: are the T&C's superseded by s75 or not? (i.e. can you disregard the article stipulating the commercial use of the device?)
Yes, and no according to the links below, will need to go through the KnC T&C's.
I realise you have been harping on about this without getting you hands dirty. I also appreciate you tried your best to stop KnC raising funds originally, to disappear for a sabbatical, to come back once they have removed all doubts of them being a genuine company and kick up FUD with the aim to discredit them. I just do not know your underlying reasons why. I also understand you invested in bulk Avalon chips, which offered no protection, be it consumer or statutory, so I don't know why this appears to be such an issue for you, perhaps you can clear this up. I mean no ill feeling towards anyone, and I'm genuinely upset for those of you who have been mistreated by Bitsyncom. I did not see what's occurred happening, as they truly did appear to be a safe bet.
In any case if you were that bothered about business to business sales and the recent revision of our statutory rights mid-June you would have googled it;
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-consumer-rights-bill
How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
I think you're obsessed.
Which part of "this is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER" did you not understand?
You have been blabbering about s75 for months while NEVER actually checking out the facts with ppl who actually deal with such issues (like... lawyers).
*I* did. And, contrary to what could possibly happen in the UK if it were to be, ever, confirmed by a lawyer, the "consumer" argument you've been beating like a dead horse does NOT apply in Belgium, which means your CC (mine if it were the case) will likely tell you (me) to fuck off if you (I) presented them with a claim (because you forfeited your consumer rights).
This also applies, believe it or not, to ALL the companies [that are not KNCMINER] that stipulate those terms in their T&C's.
Now, you've obviously no interest in actually finding a lawyer to check this out. Explain that.
(and try to stop putting irrelevant links that show you don't really understand the issue, it's not helping)
Ok as you try your hardest, please how do links detailing the UK Government's specific stance on this exact subject from the official UK Government website fail to help, and show I don't understand the issue? All I've shown is that I can uncover information you've been trying to use against KnC for months whilst picking holes in every aspect of them, their team, their site etc. in a matter of minutes.
Why couldn't you? Oh you didn't want to.
Why do you care so much about the business dealings of a company you have no interest in committing any funds to? Especially when there are so many shadier alternatives actively behaving irresponsible on this site right now.
Why would you, as consumer protection is of such huge importance to you, chose to support a purchase that has no consumer protection and involved financing through a non-protected, and at the time non-recognised currency? Shouldn't you be more concerned about the whereabouts of your own money/delayed product?
Congrats, you're back on ignore. I don't know why I ever believe you have everyone's best interest at heart KS, what's the real underlying motive, eh?
I have a question is kncminer.com is trust comapany
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
It is cheaper to get 1 Saturn than having 2 Mercury.
If you really thinking about buying it. Check this out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2903277
I should have a reseller ID next week.
Please do not link spam this thread with your future affiliate crap, the guy needs guidance on bothering to undertake his own research, if he just listens to you on saving a few quid, and granting you commission, he'll blame you, KnC and everyone but himself if he feels hard done by at anypoint.
$4000 is a lot of money and only what i need to know is can I trust kncminer.com
I found on internet that their send the miner in septermeber but on kncminer website I see october
I have sent a mail to him but I hear nothing ,i want to know when can I expect the miner.
Shall we hold your hand when your dropping a deuce as well? You might want to try cedartec they'll deliver you a machine if you order today by next week.
Dude due to your lazyness you are so prime to get scammed by someone its not even funny. Good Luck bro
Btw has knc-china.com and kncminer.cn been mentioned before?
So they are targeting the chinese market as well for which they have different bank details for payment:
Account Name: Laurel Financial Network Technology Co., Ltd.
Bank: China Construction Bank
Branch Name: Shanghai Xiangyang Road Branch
Account number: 31001555900050005127
And a skype name too: kncminerchina
So they are targeting the chinese market as well for which they have different bank details for payment:
Account Name: Laurel Financial Network Technology Co., Ltd.
Bank: China Construction Bank
Branch Name: Shanghai Xiangyang Road Branch
Account number: 31001555900050005127
And a skype name too: kncminerchina
On the front page of www.kncminer.com
I have a question is kncminer.com is trust comapany
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
It is cheaper to get 1 Saturn than having 2 Mercury.
If you really thinking about buying it. Check this out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2903277
I should have a reseller ID next week.
Please do not link spam this thread with your future affiliate crap, the guy needs guidance on bothering to undertake his own research, if he just listens to you on saving a few quid, and granting you commission, he'll blame you, KnC and everyone but himself if he feels hard done by at anypoint.
$4000 is a lot of money and only what i need to know is can I trust kncminer.com
I found on internet that their send the miner in septermeber but on kncminer website I see october
I have sent a mail to him but I hear nothing ,i want to know when can I expect the miner.
You should not trust anyone on the internet. But there are law which protect consumer (credit card charge back, paypay charge back and etc etc). If they deliver on time, anyone who order now and pay soon will probably get their miner at the end of October (or beginning of Nov if you are not hosting with them). Tomorrow is Monday, you should get a reply tomorrow if you send an inquiry today.
$4000 is a lot of money and only what i need to know is can I trust kncminer.com
I found on internet that their send the miner in septermeber but on kncminer website I see october
I have sent a mail to him but I hear nothing ,i want to know when can I expect the miner.
The first miners from the early preorders ship in September. If you order now, your miner should ship in October.
Both assuming that KnCMiner manages to ship in time, so no guarantee.
I have a question is kncminer.com is trust comapany
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
It is cheaper to get 1 Saturn than having 2 Mercury.
If you really thinking about buying it. Check this out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2903277
I should have a reseller ID next week.
Please do not link spam this thread with your future affiliate crap, the guy needs guidance on bothering to undertake his own research, if he just listens to you on saving a few quid, and granting you commission, he'll blame you, KnC and everyone but himself if he feels hard done by at anypoint.
$4000 is a lot of money and only what i need to know is can I trust kncminer.com
I found on internet that their send the miner in septermeber but on kncminer website I see october
I have sent a mail to him but I hear nothing ,i want to know when can I expect the miner.
Dude, make your own decisions. We are all in the same boat as you.
I have a question is kncminer.com is trust comapany
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
It is cheaper to get 1 Saturn than having 2 Mercury.
If you really thinking about buying it. Check this out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2903277
I should have a reseller ID next week.
Please do not link spam this thread with your future affiliate crap, the guy needs guidance on bothering to undertake his own research, if he just listens to you on saving a few quid, and granting you commission, he'll blame you, KnC and everyone but himself if he feels hard done by at anypoint.
$4000 is a lot of money and only what i need to know is can I trust kncminer.com
I found on internet that their send the miner in septermeber but on kncminer website I see october
I have sent a mail to him but I hear nothing ,i want to know when can I expect the miner.
this whole reseller shit is already getting ridiculous and pathetic.
@Bitcoinorama: did you ever get in touch with a lawyer re the section 75 consumer/commercial application? That would be really useful for UK ppl. (It's good you have your CC rep phone call recorded, but it's not really conclusive/binding).
No, and why would a company representative in their own legal/fraud department telling me to go ahead with a sale to be delivered at a future point in time outside of Paypal's own 45day protection not be conclusive?
Even if section 75 doesn't apply, they have stated they will uphold my purchase protection, which is why I have stated call and check with your card issuing bank, as I had read somewhere that third party payment processors such as Paypal and Amazon negate the Section 75 cover.
This is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER.
I would like to know about the clause stipulating that you are buying the equipment as a business vs as a consumer, given you want to be protected under s75 while *knowingly* infringing on the T&C's.
So it's like this: are the T&C's superseded by s75 or not? (i.e. can you disregard the article stipulating the commercial use of the device?)
Yes, and no according to the links below, will need to go through the KnC T&C's.
I realise you have been harping on about this without getting you hands dirty. I also appreciate you tried your best to stop KnC raising funds originally, to disappear for a sabbatical, to come back once they have removed all doubts of them being a genuine company and kick up FUD with the aim to discredit them. I just do not know your underlying reasons why. I also understand you invested in bulk Avalon chips, which offered no protection, be it consumer or statutory, so I don't know why this appears to be such an issue for you, perhaps you can clear this up. I mean no ill feeling towards anyone, and I'm genuinely upset for those of you who have been mistreated by Bitsyncom. I did not see what's occurred happening, as they truly did appear to be a safe bet.
In any case if you were that bothered about business to business sales and the recent revision of our statutory rights mid-June you would have googled it;
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-consumer-rights-bill
How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
I think you're obsessed.
Which part of "this is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER" did you not understand?
You have been blabbering about s75 for months while NEVER actually checking out the facts with ppl who actually deal with such issues (like... lawyers).
*I* did. And, contrary to what could possibly happen in the UK if it were to be, ever, confirmed by a lawyer, the "consumer" argument you've been beating like a dead horse does NOT apply in Belgium, which means your CC (mine if it were the case) will likely tell you (me) to fuck off if you (I) presented them with a claim (because you forfeited your consumer rights).
This also applies, believe it or not, to ALL the companies [that are not KNCMINER] that stipulate those terms in their T&C's.
Now, you've obviously no interest in actually finding a lawyer to check this out. Explain that.
(and try to stop putting irrelevant links that show you don't really understand the issue, it's not helping)
I have a question is kncminer.com is trust comapany
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
I want to order something (2x Mercury) but I don't know or I can trust this guys .
It is cheaper to get 1 Saturn than having 2 Mercury.
If you really thinking about buying it. Check this out:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2903277
I should have a reseller ID next week.
Please do not link spam this thread with your future affiliate crap, the guy needs guidance on bothering to undertake his own research, if he just listens to you on saving a few quid, and granting you commission, he'll blame you, KnC and everyone but himself if he feels hard done by at anypoint.
@Bitcoinorama: did you ever get in touch with a lawyer re the section 75 consumer/commercial application? That would be really useful for UK ppl. (It's good you have your CC rep phone call recorded, but it's not really conclusive/binding).
No, and why would a company representative in their own legal/fraud department telling me to go ahead with a sale to be delivered at a future point in time outside of Paypal's own 45day protection not be conclusive?
Even if section 75 doesn't apply, they have stated they will uphold my purchase protection, which is why I have stated call and check with your card issuing bank, as I had read somewhere that third party payment processors such as Paypal and Amazon negate the Section 75 cover.
This is not about PP, CC, KNCMINER.
I would like to know about the clause stipulating that you are buying the equipment as a business vs as a consumer, given you want to be protected under s75 while *knowingly* infringing on the T&C's.
So it's like this: are the T&C's superseded by s75 or not? (i.e. can you disregard the article stipulating the commercial use of the device?)
Yes, and no according to the links below, will need to go through the KnC T&C's.
I realise you have been harping on about this without getting you hands dirty. I also appreciate you tried your best to stop KnC raising funds originally, to disappear for a sabbatical, to come back once they have removed all doubts of them being a genuine company and kick up FUD with the aim to discredit them. I just do not know your underlying reasons why. I also understand you invested in bulk Avalon chips, which offered no protection, be it consumer or statutory, so I don't know why this appears to be such an issue for you, perhaps you can clear this up. I mean no ill feeling towards anyone, and I'm genuinely upset for those of you who have been mistreated by Bitsyncom. I did not see what's occurred happening, as they truly did appear to be a safe bet.
In any case if you were that bothered about business to business sales and the recent revision of our statutory rights mid-June you would have googled it;
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/consumer_e/consumer_problems_with_business_to_business_services_e/consumer_protection_for_businesses.htm
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/draft-consumer-rights-bill
How do you know if the contract takes away your statutory rights?
If the person who sold you the goods or services has taken away your statutory rights, there should be something in your contract about this. For example, it might say the seller isn't responsible for goods that are unsatisfactory, don't match their description or aren't fit for purpose. Or it might say that the seller isn't responsible for any loss you've suffered because of their lack of care or skill. This type of content in a contract is called an exclusion clause.
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