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Quote from: sureshnsnet on December 11, 2019, 03:08:34 AM

Today we have a match between India vs west indies final t20 match I thin we can expect a high score match today because the match going to pay in Wankhede stadium. there are any chance west indies can give an upset to India team with a series win?

This is going to be a high scoring match as the stadium is not that big so players can hit six easily and those who get set can make a good score on this pitch. Again, it does not seem to be a bowlers paradise and will be taking a toll today as well.

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Today we have a match between India vs west indies final t20 match I thin we can expect a high score match today because the match going to pay in Wankhede stadium. there are any chance west indies can give an upset to India team with a series win?

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Very boring day as far as Cricket is concern. so please enlighten us with some good conspiracy tales, Would love to hear you out. Wink

He really likes conspiracy theory as there is no way an international player from India will do anything silly because the amount of money they are earning is too good to do something foolish like that and the amount of pension they get is ridiculous and who in the right sense will do anything like that, other countries might be doing as the pay scale might not be good and we often seen Pakistan players under the fixing radar and they might be doing that because of financial uncertainty Wink

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Haha yeah he does, surely one of the interesting character in our tiny cricket community Grin

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Agree almost all international players from India are financial secure and some are ridiculously rich. Bookies can't even reach out to top players but not sure about Junior cricketers when they play domestic cricket or franchise cricket such as IPL, they seems easy target to me.

Being rich doesn't necessarily mean that the players are not susceptible to match fixing. Money is just one of the weapons being used to force the players to fix matches. In the past, the Dawood Ibrahim gang used to contact Indian and Pakistani players and used to threaten them to make them willing to fix matches. Also there are rumors that some of the Pakistani players were honey trapped in to match fixing (one name that came up was that of Danish Kaneria).

Earlier most of these cases were swept under the carpet by the respective cricket boards. And in the end, it used to be the whistle-blowers who ended up on the wrong side. What happened to Manoj Prabhakar is a perfect example. He came out with some startling claims in 2000, and in the end rather than investing about his accusations, the BCCI banned him. I heard that some very big names were involved, including Kapil Dev and Mohammad Azharuddin.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 10, 2019, 12:46:11 PM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 09, 2019, 10:56:05 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 09, 2019, 10:28:22 AM

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Our dear Sherlock aka Umer still looking out for dirt and digging some conspiracy theory.. nice bro

Very boring day as far as Cricket is concern. so please enlighten us with some good conspiracy tales, Would love to hear you out. Wink

He really likes conspiracy theory as there is no way an international player from India will do anything silly because the amount of money they are earning is too good to do something foolish like that and the amount of pension they get is ridiculous and who in the right sense will do anything like that, other countries might be doing as the pay scale might not be good and we often seen Pakistan players under the fixing radar and they might be doing that because of financial uncertainty Wink

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Haha yeah he does, surely one of the interesting character in our tiny cricket community Grin

Nice guy.

Agree almost all international players from India are financial secure and some are ridiculously rich. Bookies can't even reach out to top players but not sure about Junior cricketers when they play domestic cricket or franchise cricket such as IPL, they seems easy target to me.

May be Umer is trying to contact them for these bookies because he is doing some very interesting comments after every Indian lost he feel its fixing now its just in rumours or in media fixing is still working otherwise its going down very quickly as laws are very tough and punishments killing careers of many cricketers.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on December 09, 2019, 10:56:05 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 09, 2019, 10:28:22 AM

~snip
Our dear Sherlock aka Umer still looking out for dirt and digging some conspiracy theory.. nice bro

Very boring day as far as Cricket is concern. so please enlighten us with some good conspiracy tales, Would love to hear you out. Wink

He really likes conspiracy theory as there is no way an international player from India will do anything silly because the amount of money they are earning is too good to do something foolish like that and the amount of pension they get is ridiculous and who in the right sense will do anything like that, other countries might be doing as the pay scale might not be good and we often seen Pakistan players under the fixing radar and they might be doing that because of financial uncertainty Wink

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Haha yeah he does, surely one of the interesting character in our tiny cricket community Grin

Nice guy.

Agree almost all international players from India are financial secure and some are ridiculously rich. Bookies can't even reach out to top players but not sure about Junior cricketers when they play domestic cricket or franchise cricket such as IPL, they seems easy target to me.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 10, 2019, 12:13:23 PM

The problem right now is that there is too much talent waiting to get selected in the team and with the rotation policy the players warming the bench will not have any major match practice and it is good to see that the BCCI is allowing these players to have some rhythm rather than getting selected and not play any competitive match and for allowing them to play for their state team.

The quality of the first class matches in India is very low when compared to that in countries such as Australia and England. One of the reasons is that in India we have too many first class sides (38 as per the latest count). And among them are teams such as Mizoram and Sikkim, which regularly gets bowled out for scores less than 100. A major revamp is badly needed in the domestic circuit.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 10, 2019, 09:53:56 AM

Kuldeep Yadav played only two matches in the recently concluded Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy (Indian domestic T20 competition), while Yuzvendra Chahal participated in almost all the matches involving his home team (Haryana). So it looks to me that Chahal is better prepared. But I can't guarantee the quality of the matches, as some of the matches Chahal played were against teams such as Mizoram and Meghalaya.

The problem right now is that there is too much talent waiting to get selected in the team and with the rotation policy the players warming the bench will not have any major match practice and it is good to see that the BCCI is allowing these players to have some rhythm rather than getting selected and not play any competitive match and for allowing them to play for their state team.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on December 10, 2019, 03:50:07 AM

the problem with Chahal and Yadav is that they are sidelined for a long time and the lack of match experience will not make things better either.

Kuldeep Yadav played only two matches in the recently concluded Syed Mushtaq Ali Trophy (Indian domestic T20 competition), while Yuzvendra Chahal participated in almost all the matches involving his home team (Haryana). So it looks to me that Chahal is better prepared. But I can't guarantee the quality of the matches, as some of the matches Chahal played were against teams such as Mizoram and Meghalaya.

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Quote from: onrise on December 10, 2019, 06:09:45 AM

One of the case could be few that bowlers may not be getting the better grip and also batsman is confident that scoring 10 runs in a over cashing second is also possible and playing with this attitude the entire team goes from on attack from 1stball

I would rather like to see bigger grounds like we used to see in the past, now a days a miss hit is going for a six and earlier it would be in the hands of a deep fielder and when miss hits starts disappearing in the stands then you have a problem and you can watch and you will see many mishits going over the rope, frankly speaking to be a bowler in T20 is really hard because of these factors.

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WI win in 2nd T20 has set the stage for the final match as both team are now 1-1. This would make the match now more interesting and both team chasing have won the match . This mean any score of 200 is also less and it’s more a batsman game .

I think the dew factor is a major game changer as none of the team bowling second could win the match, catches are dropped and bowlers might not be able to get a good grip because of the dew and hence the team is able to chase any score and in the third T20 i expect the team winning the toss electing to bowl first and will think about chasing the score and winning the series.

One of the case could be few that bowlers may not be getting the better grip and also batsman is confident that scoring 10 runs in a over cashing second is also possible and playing with this attitude the entire team goes from on attack from 1stball

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 09, 2019, 09:01:51 PM

Nowadays all the teams have access to better technology, and with the help of super-slow motion replays, the batsmen are able to study the spinners. So after a while, the batsmen get used to the tactics of mainstream spin bowlers and this is one of the reasons why teams come up with new spinners very often. Both Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav were very effective a few years ago, but now the opposition batsmen have got used to their bowling style. They should come up with new variations.

This is a challenge for every player and when you see players like Sachin, Warne and Murali played for a longer period of time even with everyone studying their game and the level in which they played the game at the highest level for such a long time shows the talent that they identify and keep on evolving and if you do not evolve then you will struggle, the problem with Chahal and Yadav is that they are sidelined for a long time and the lack of match experience will not make things better either.

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Quote from: ene1980 on December 09, 2019, 11:41:25 AM

Bumrah is a special bowler but India does have other talents that could take the game away from West Indies, India is not playing Mohammed Shami and what happened to Ravichandran Ashwin as he was a T20 specialist and i think Hardik Pandya is also suffering from injury and not sure why they are shuffling with Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal and why are they not playing consistently and if they are shuffling the team like that all the time then they loose match practice and that will affect their game too. In short India does have the bowlers to restrict West Indies if they pick the right players who proved in international cricket and not to experiment all the time.

Bumrah is better than any other Indian bowler since he excels in all formats while Shami, Bhuvi etc fail to deliver in T-20 formats quite often. Mumbai Indians won so many leagues thanks to this guy who usually gives 4-5 runs in the final overs of the match.

Also, Ashwin is great in tests, but Chahal and Kuldeep were better in the T-20 format, but they might get him back since Kuldeep and Chahal are not exactly on top of their game currently. Pandya underwent back surgery and will be returning in time for the T-20 World Cup.

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Quote from: Indymoney on December 09, 2019, 03:01:21 PM

Bumrah absent hurting very seriously to Indian squad because he is one man show and can change things very quickly for team with in just one or two overs and on other hand rotation policy is also doing few magics as they are not bringing Chahal and K Yadav but still they are capable of changing things very quickly which are coming in third Twenty/20 with batting is main weapon but Rohit is out of touch hopefully he will be in good for final game.

Nowadays all the teams have access to better technology, and with the help of super-slow motion replays, the batsmen are able to study the spinners. So after a while, the batsmen get used to the tactics of mainstream spin bowlers and this is one of the reasons why teams come up with new spinners very often. Both Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav were very effective a few years ago, but now the opposition batsmen have got used to their bowling style. They should come up with new variations.

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Very true. West Indies chances improved drastically since Bumrah is not a part of the squad and the younger players are being given more chances currently. Chahar has been out of form recently after his record figures.

This is why consistency is more important than records. Indian fielding needs to improve too. As you stated, any score below 200 seems like an easy one though I am still expecting India to win the final.

Bumrah is a special bowler but India does have other talents that could take the game away from West Indies, India is not playing Mohammed Shami and what happened to Ravichandran Ashwin as he was a T20 specialist and i think Hardik Pandya is also suffering from injury and not sure why they are shuffling with Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal and why are they not playing consistently and if they are shuffling the team like that all the time then they loose match practice and that will affect their game too. In short India does have the bowlers to restrict West Indies if they pick the right players who proved in international cricket and not to experiment all the time.

Bumrah absent hurting very seriously to Indian squad because he is one man show and can change things very quickly for team with in just one or two overs and on other hand rotation policy is also doing few magics as they are not bringing Chahal and K Yadav but still they are capable of changing things very quickly which are coming in third Twenty/20 with batting is main weapon but Rohit is out of touch hopefully he will be in good for final game.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 09, 2019, 09:46:35 AM

Very true. West Indies chances improved drastically since Bumrah is not a part of the squad and the younger players are being given more chances currently. Chahar has been out of form recently after his record figures.

This is why consistency is more important than records. Indian fielding needs to improve too. As you stated, any score below 200 seems like an easy one though I am still expecting India to win the final.

Bumrah is a special bowler but India does have other talents that could take the game away from West Indies, India is not playing Mohammed Shami and what happened to Ravichandran Ashwin as he was a T20 specialist and i think Hardik Pandya is also suffering from injury and not sure why they are shuffling with Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal and why are they not playing consistently and if they are shuffling the team like that all the time then they loose match practice and that will affect their game too. In short India does have the bowlers to restrict West Indies if they pick the right players who proved in international cricket and not to experiment all the time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 09, 2019, 10:28:22 AM

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Very boring day as far as Cricket is concern. so please enlighten us with some good conspiracy tales, Would love to hear you out. Wink

He really likes conspiracy theory as there is no way an international player from India will do anything silly because the amount of money they are earning is too good to do something foolish like that and the amount of pension they get is ridiculous and who in the right sense will do anything like that, other countries might be doing as the pay scale might not be good and we often seen Pakistan players under the fixing radar and they might be doing that because of financial uncertainty Wink

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Quote from: teosanru on December 09, 2019, 05:50:47 AM

The way Indians scored 200 so easily in the first t20 make me thinks that even 200 is enough for these two destructive teams with power hitters.

The team chasing does have the advantage in the conditions in India, Bangladesh won the first T20 chasing the score and the second T20 was won by India chasing and the third one Bangladesh chased badly and lost the series and even in this series the first match West Indies posted a really good score but India chased down easily and the second T20 West Indies chased down easily and looking by the way things are going the toss is really important.

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But I think this 170 run is not that bad to defend by the Indian bowlers?

Terrible fielding by India, in one over by Bhuvneshwar Kumar they dropped two easy catches, one by Washington Sundar and the next by the ever green wicket keeper Rishabh Pant Tongue

, straight forward catch and he is moving after the ball being delivered and what kind of keeping standards he is having only god knows, if they are not taking these easy opportunities they will be loosing the match as they are not even able to pick a wicket till now.

Does these acts comes under match fixing ?

Is this match fixed to keep the series alive and to make the betting profitable against the majority .

Our dear Sherlock aka Umer still looking out for dirt and digging some conspiracy theory.. nice bro

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Quote from: onrise on December 09, 2019, 04:54:35 AM

WI win in 2nd T20 has set the stage for the final match as both team are now 1-1. This would make the match now more interesting and both team chasing have won the match . This mean any score of 200 is also less and it’s more a batsman game .

Very true. West Indies chances improved drastically since Bumrah is not a part of the squad and the younger players are being given more chances currently. Chahar has been out of form recently after his record figures.

This is why consistency is more important than records. Indian fielding needs to improve too. As you stated, any score below 200 seems like an easy one though I am still expecting India to win the final.

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Quote from: teosanru on December 08, 2019, 11:55:58 AM

Definitely not after this six from Pooran. I think the game has been completely tampered by dew. Bhuvneshwar kumar hasn't been able to ball even one single yorker. Only weapon Indian bowlers are having today is nuckel ball which also I don't think is having much of an impact on the West Indian batsman. I always think t20 gives teams like West Indies a great chance to make their name in World Cricket. It isn't easy to beat India in India.

Don't read too much from the result of just one match. Bangladesh also won the second T20 match against India, after losing the first one. And they got whacked in the 3rd match. In T20, upsets are not an exception, but more like a norm. So I am not surprised by the outcome of this match. And there is no point in giving excuses like the dew factor and all. The Indian players have years of experience in playing under such conditions. And we need to remember that this is a home series for India and the bowlers are familiar with the conditions.

My point was that atleast these teams are winning against India in this format. Think of West Indies winning a test match against India this thing looks like a big dream for them. India is no doubt the better team but still if some team performs better on that day playing by some imbalances it can definitely defeat the big gun too.

Quote from: onrise on December 09, 2019, 04:54:35 AM

WI win in 2nd T20 has set the stage for the final match as both team are now 1-1. This would make the match now more interesting and both team chasing have won the match . This mean any score of 200 is also less and it’s more a batsman game .

The way Indians scored 200 so easily in the first t20 make me thinks that even 200 is enough for these two destructive teams with power hitters.

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