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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.

He claims the hype was by who knows who but if you scroll through June posts he was the one hyping it up ... Are u people freaking blind and can't see his manipulation.
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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.
Notice how A had doesn't address any direct questions that are being asked  and just tip toes around the issue. True scammer. Answer peoples question .

ask me anything you cannot find an answer to in my last 30 "recent posts"
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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.
Notice how A had doesn't address any direct questions that are being asked  and just tip toes around the issue. True scammer. Answer peoples question .
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  • Is Ohad working on this alone? -- no
  • If anyone else is collaborating can they vouch for the project's progress? -- come to irc
  • Are there any plans to hire more team members (not just for website, marketing, etc, but for development) with the now large amount of raised funds? - there's enough funds for completing all promises. for recruitment plans need to be in irc
  • Ohad has been working on this full time for awhile now (years?).  The Github code hasn't been updated since Dec 2016.  What has been going on in the interim? - you can get updated with the recent work on our irc
  • Ohad mentioned we are now way beyond "Phase I."  What phase are we in?  Are these written somewhere? Roadmap? - where? maybe i meant for 60% of tokens being sold
  • When will the rest of the coins be sold? - after tau/alpha is ready
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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.

Ohad, you are not responsible for market price fluctuations, or the decisions investors make.  You ARE responsible for upholding prices that you put out in writing, especially after collecting the money for the sale.  

Anyway, any losses due to selling at June prices won't last, assuming the project moves along.

yes that's right. but the "intentional loss" by selling in lower price (around third the market price) will harm all holders

It was the market's decision to shoot up to >$1 pricing while we were still in the month of June and hence June sale prices still applied.  You aren't responsible for the market doing that, or for those who decided to buy at those prices.
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Im trying to make the difficult decision about whether to invest in this project or not.  I appreciate what this project is trying to achieve, and how awesome and ambitious that is. I'm fascinated and excited. I really want it to succeed.  But I'm also scared by how this project is being managed. 

I'd appreciate it if Ohad or anyone else knowledgeable could help fill in some concerns that I (and I suspect others) have.

  • Is Ohad working on this alone? 
  • If anyone else is collaborating can they vouch for the project's progress?
  • Are there any plans to hire more team members (not just for website, marketing, etc, but for development) with the now large amount of raised funds?
  • Ohad has been working on this full time for awhile now (years?).  The Github code hasn't been updated since Dec 2016.  What has been going on in the interim?
  • Ohad mentioned we are now way beyond "Phase I."  What phase are we in?  Are these written somewhere? Roadmap?
  • When will the rest of the coins be sold?

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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.

Ohad, you are not responsible for market price fluctuations, or the decisions investors make.  You ARE responsible for upholding prices that you put out in writing, especially after collecting the money for the sale.  

Anyway, any losses due to selling at June prices won't last, assuming the project moves along.

yes that's right. but the "intentional loss" by selling in lower price (around third the market price) will harm all holders
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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.

Ohad, you are not responsible for market price fluctuations, or the decisions investors make.  You ARE responsible for upholding prices that you put out in writing, especially after collecting the money for the sale. 

Anyway, any losses due to selling at June prices won't last, assuming the project moves along.
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The more I think about it the more I think there is a need to honour the June spreadsheet prices AND have a lock up, especially for the "tentative" sale.  Disclaimer, I contributed to the "tentative" sale and bought some on market, at a loss currently.

The reason is that any price that Ohad mentions here will risk dropping the price on Bittrex.  I wouldn't  have a problem with that per se, I'm in for the long haul, except that buying on market (which is rational if the price is at or below the direct price) delivers cash to a trader, not to Ohad or the Tau project.  Very bad for everyone, except perhaps short term traders!

If you lock up the coins though, there will hopefully (although not guaranteed) be a period where the Bittrex price should trade above the direct sale price, because the Bittrex AGRS are unncumbered, thus making it easy and rational for those of us who are fine to forego near term liquidity on Bittrex and buy at a cheaper (though less liquid) price directly.

So -  I propose a one month lock up with June prices and suggest Ohad set a date in clear UTC time by which we give him a YES / NO decision on clear price, lock up time, and supply available terms  after which the decision is irreversible and if he doesn't hear back he refunds the contribution.

Allocation % of supply can fluctuate (not price per AGRS tho) depending on final decisions received by the cut off date.  But to do this we need clarity as to what total supply is available for the tentative sale.

Thoughts?

dont give a fuck about your loss

Thoughts? you're crying to get some cheap coins.
Just buy in bittrex

Trust me I'm tempted, Bittrex price is looking really attractive.  But then neither Ohad nor Tau get that cash, some random trader does.  Like maybe you?  No gracias Smiley. I'd rather fund the project!

P.S. the disclaimer was meant for transparency, it's not a complaint in any way
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Also he said he would raise prices 10x in july so he can focus on building the product, yet he isn't raising the prices. He said the same thing last year too, but he didn't keep his word. Why does he keep flip-flopping?)

i cannot see how this makes sense. what did i promise a year ago regarding the price? and why stopping sale isnt better than price increase? when did i ever break any promise?
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I feel like we are going to hear the same thing a year from now, just like we heard the same thing last year. (Please go look at the posts from last year, it's people complaining about the same shit we are now. And back then, there wasn't a major increase in price like we had in this recent pump and dump. Also he said he would raise prices 10x in july so he can focus on building the product, yet he isn't raising the prices. He said the same thing last year too, but he didn't keep his word. Why does he keep flip-flopping?)

Someone remember this post next year when he quits this project and tells people it's trash.

From my understanding, Ohad is doing a horrible job. All of you guys are putting blind faith in him. I was willing to give him a chance but seeing some of his posts from last year, he's doing the same thing over again without any progress.

For the love of my investment, can someone tell me WHY I should not worry?
If you feel like that take your loss and sell, nobody cares if you worry or not.

Medstudent has valid points though. Medstudent it all comes down to whether you trust Ohad or not. That's all. You either trust him with you money or you don't.
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read through the thread, the blog, the logs, watch the videos.
design is being finalized and whitepaper is being worked on
we all hope to see an alpha in 2017, but there are no set dates.

since there is no product yet
marketing and things as updating the website  aren't a priority for now.

I feel like we are going to hear the same thing a year from now, just like we heard the same thing last year. (Please go look at the posts from last year, it's people complaining about the same shit we are now. And back then, there wasn't a major increase in price like we had in this recent pump and dump. Also he said he would raise prices 10x in july so he can focus on building the product, yet he isn't raising the prices. He said the same thing last year too, but he didn't keep his word. Why does he keep flip-flopping?)

Someone remember this post next year when he quits this project and tells people it's trash.

From my understanding, Ohad is doing a horrible job. All of you guys are putting blind faith in him. I was willing to give him a chance but seeing some of his posts from last year, he's doing the same thing over again without any progress.

For the love of my investment, can someone tell me WHY I should not worry?
If you feel like that take your loss and sell, nobody cares if you worry or not.
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sell your tokens then.  I am buying on the dip thank you very much- so yours will be picked up quickly.  The investors asked Ohad to not release the white paper due to copycats.  Having seen at least one entity copy his writings, I think this is a good idea.   
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there's a huge rationale in going back to june prices for the tentative buyers. but there are also completely uninformed people like the guy above, who innocently bought on bittrex during the hype done by who knows who, even though it was a "fast money" kind of act, still going back to june prices may make them lose even more, at least in the short term. intentional loss, even if made against gamblers, is something to be very well considered. again i'm open for suggestions.
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read through the thread, the blog, the logs, watch the videos.
design is being finalized and whitepaper is being worked on
we all hope to see an alpha in 2017, but there are no set dates.

since there is no product yet
marketing and things as updating the website  aren't a priority for now.

I feel like we are going to hear the same thing a year from now, just like we heard the same thing last year. (Please go look at the posts from last year, it's people complaining about the same shit we are now. And back then, there wasn't a major increase in price like we had in this recent pump and dump. Also he said he would raise prices 10x in july so he can focus on building the product, yet he isn't raising the prices. He said the same thing last year too, but he didn't keep his word. Why does he keep flip-flopping?)

Someone remember this post next year when he quits this project and tells people it's trash.

From my understanding, Ohad is doing a horrible job. All of you guys are putting blind faith in him. I was willing to give him a chance but seeing some of his posts from last year, he's doing the same thing over again without any progress.

For the love of my investment, can someone tell me WHY I should not worry?
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thanks, sorry, we cannot offer anymore any bonus for locking. even for people who lock the tokens themselves (i.e. they simply put them in an address and not move them, then they'll get almost the same bonus as if they were locking them by sending them to me). if they began to lock the tokens later than the upcoming 1 aug, they will not get the additional bonus.
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There's nothing new to present for last 3+ years. I am investing on the belief that this is a good project. Thus, I am taking the same risk as old investors, so I believe I should have some perk as well.

This project had come under my radar when I noticed activity on the Exchange. Had I known about this project from the beginning I would have invested then. I believe many new investors feel the same.

I'm one of the investors who bought some coins on Bittrex. I'm essential taking the coins from speculators who are looking for quick profit. Is that not a good thing? I'm committed to the project so I'm willing to send the coins to Ohad to lock until alpha.
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Haha,  ahad deleted my posts

you can't delete posts in an unmoderated thread
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Ohad , Why the price of a coin falls?
Where is a new white papper?
Where is a new website?
What you did during the two years of project existence?

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With respect to the tentative sale, keep in mind that requesting a full refund is always an option. Nobody is forced to buy at the prices Ohad is now offering.

Ohad is already being very accommodating as he has sold far more than he initially planned, which has been announced many times. If he goes much beyond this current point, it will leave him with very little tokens left to raise funds when Tau enters alpha and beyond, and this would not be ideal for the project in the long term.

I hope people are a little more understanding about this issue.

IF tau ever reaches alpha... remember one thing, he stopped his first project because it was horrible. The same can happen to this project.
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