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With respect to the tentative sale, keep in mind that requesting a full refund is always an option. Nobody is forced to buy at the prices Ohad is now offering.

Ohad is already being very accommodating as he has sold far more than he initially planned, which has been announced many times. If he goes much beyond this current point, it will leave him with very little tokens left to raise funds when Tau enters alpha and beyond, and this would not be ideal for the project in the long term.

I hope people are a little more understanding about this issue.
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The more I think about it the more I think there is a need to honour the June spreadsheet prices AND have a lock up, especially for the "tentative" sale.  Disclaimer, I contributed to the "tentative" sale and bought some on market, at a loss currently.

Thoughts?

dont give a fuck about your loss

Thoughts? you're crying to get some cheap coins.
Just buy in bittrex
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Hey brother, I've committed to helping Ohad on the website as soon as we're closer to alpha. I've got some great designers who build really modern websites. I hope that helps. The marketing & branding from my team etc WILL come, trust me, i'm all for it but, we didn't want to market something we didn't have, that'd be the true meaning of scam. It's just a matter of when he's closer to alpha. I speak with Ohad privately and i'm just as committed as he is.

As much as I really want to believe you it's hard. Mainly because if you were helping you would have had him do a better job on his PR yesterday.

I offered to write his PR for him, I rewrote it and sent it to him to repost.

All he needs to do is try to comfort the market. He has yet to do that, or try.

This is what I sent him and what the community really needed to hear.

Please not the following is what I rewrote hoping ohad would post to comfort investors. I'm sure everyone will agree this is what we needed to hear.


As promised, following is the status, some discussion, and decisions:

1. We currently have $2m pending on the tentative sale address. Add to that some more funds i got in alts, is worth around 100btc.

2. We saw a great amount of demand when we were selling tokens, we originally planned to only sell 50%. The demand was incredibly strong, so we sold 60%. That is aside from the tentative sale, we came to the decision to dedicate somewhere between 3m to 4.2m tokens to the tentatives. We are hoping to only sell the 3m, but if we see the same amount of demand we are willing to go to 4.2m.

3. June's price was around 16-37 cents, depends on amounts and lock/unlock.

4. Current market price is  82c.

5. For unlocked tokens,  it seems reasonable to distribute 3m tokens for $2m, i.e. 66c a token.

6. locked tokens will be receiving a discount, beyond the normal 15%, on this case. We will be doing a discount to help you buy more towards June's prices.

7. We are suggesting that we do two rounds:
        A. Anyone that is interested in an immediate refund, can ask for it now.
        b. For everyone interested in locked tokens, let me know. But be warned if the demand is just as strong in the worst case, we'll lock your tokens afterwards.
        c. In several hours from now, I will send to the remaining tentative buyers the unlocked tokens according to 66c cents (and corresponding btc refunds).
        d. After we know the amount of money interested in locked tokens, we can offer a price in June's range, with limited supply. The whole over-60% sale will not exceed 4.2m tokens whatsoever (namely a refund will take place accordingly).

8. We are diligently working on a white paper, and we are working hard on the other questions that are commonly asked. It is in everyones best interests that we get this right the first time. This is not just for us, this is for you also. But we are working hard on getting everything accomplished as soon as we can. We have been taught that is better to give you a distant time, and surprise you earlier. We do not want to give a timeline on this because if we reach some sort of roadblock, we do not want to disappoint. So I assure everyone that we will be doing all that we can to keep moving forward.


Thanks for being apart of the future, and we look forward to you taking this journey with us.
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what should he do pump the market for hundreds of btc ? :p


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Agoras has a limited number of tokens which stands at 42 million. All unsold tokens, if any, by the time Agoras is released will be burned. This has been the promise the entire time. The actual date of Agoras' release is likely some time away.

This is reflecting the integrity of Ohad who is only reserving a very limited number of tokens (3%) for himself and his development team, which is a far smaller stake than any other project out there. At no point is it a promise that a large proportion of tokens will be burned by the end of the fund raising period. The distribution of tokens is one of the fairest in all ICOs to date.

Constructive criticism is always welcome but please try to keep it at least remotely factually correct and in a single message if possible.
legendary
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wow more than 20 pages in 7 days...

guess half of the posts are people crying...

you've had more than a year to buy but you just want to wait to the last day  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

just buy before it's too late  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Iggy - give it a rest mate  trying to trash talk the price down is neither original nor effective

It just gets annoying cause I get email notifications every time you troll and I jump onto BTT hoping for something useful only to find more of your trolling.

Not entirely your fault, BTT is not that flexible or customisable, but mate, you've said your piece ok, time to move on, people will see your posts alright, don't worry.

people have the  right to know this information to draw conclusions which are very obvious, i would leave it but he is deleting all my post where i quote  him talking about huge price increase, or where i mentioned that we still  dont know his identity or that he is not releasing any concrete information because " he is not good at explaining" to people who invested alot of money.
People need to know, i dont want  people to lose their life savings.
- No one is deleting any posts here
- Ohad identy has always been known. There are many YouTube videos with interviews etc.
- Ohad is writing a white paper in which the Tau Chain concept will be explained in simple terms. He has always been honest in not being able to give a timeline for this.

So stop spreading lies. You are either too lazy and stupid to investigate, or you are under the illusion that you have an influence on the price. Either way, i don't understand what all the fuss here is about. A couple of days ago you could buy AGRS for 11000 s on Bittrex, and no one was complaining or asking for timelines. Now, we've got all these newbies who are fudding as if their lives depend on it.
Do some decent investigation before you buy something, and learn from this instead of spreading bullshit.



totally agree, and disappointed last minute moneymakers should stop flooding this talk, before reading what has been posted here since the 29th of June.
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eGold Mining is the FUTURE of the Mining Industry!
WHERE IS PROOF OF OHAD BURNING THE UNSOLD COINS, HE MADE SAME SCHEME IN 2016 BUT NEVER BURNED COINS.

Pardon my ignorance but how is that a scheme? If he burns the unsold coins (which I think all of the 60% he was selling got sold), he will kinda be profiting because the rest of his coins would be worth way more than the high we had the other day.

I might not like how he goes about this project, but if you read through the entire thread, the community is the one guiding Ohad so I don't think he's scamming anyone. Like I was complaining about no white paper but if you go back a few months the commmhnity collectively decided to only release the product when it is ready. The reason being, tezos stole one of Ohads codes and used it as their own. He doesn't want people to steal his ideas, and that's fine with me.

I still plead him to hire more developers to aid him in his goal. Have them sign a legal agreement that they cannot work on any similar project for the next 3-5 years. This will insure Ohad is the father of his idea and even if someone copies it, he can claim a lot of their equity by suing them.

Also please hire someone to redo the website lol. Preferably someone from this community who would be invested in the project so they would do their best job. You don't even have to work on it. All you have to do is give it your approval. I'm sure some community members would even take payment in the form of crypto lol.

You know, I've had a negative attitude so far but I'm willing to see where this project goes.

Wish you all the best and please heed some of my advice!

Hey brother, I've committed to helping Ohad on the website as soon as we're closer to alpha. I've got some great designers who build really modern websites. I hope that helps. The marketing & branding from my team etc WILL come, trust me, i'm all for it but, we didn't want to market something we didn't have, that'd be the true meaning of scam. It's just a matter of when he's closer to alpha. I speak with Ohad privately and i'm just as committed as he is.

Would you mind sending me a screen shot of the conversation you had with Ohad? I'd love to trust you, but I haven't seen anything from Ohad, so if you have a screenshot you can send me privately I would really appreciate it.
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2 years and no alpha release
ohad need to work faster  Smiley
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Iggy - give it a rest mate  trying to trash talk the price down is neither original nor effective

It just gets annoying cause I get email notifications every time you troll and I jump onto BTT hoping for something useful only to find more of your trolling.

Not entirely your fault, BTT is not that flexible or customisable, but mate, you've said your piece ok, time to move on, people will see your posts alright, don't worry.

people have the  right to know this information to draw conclusions which are very obvious, i would leave it but he is deleting all my post where i quote  him talking about huge price increase, or where i mentioned that we still  dont know his identity or that he is not releasing any concrete information because " he is not good at explaining" to people who invested alot of money.
People need to know, i dont want  people to lose their life savings.
- No one is deleting any posts here
- Ohad identy has always been known. There are many YouTube videos with interviews etc.
- Ohad is writing a white paper in which the Tau Chain concept will be explained in simple terms. He has always been honest in not being able to give a timeline for this.

So stop spreading lies. You are either too lazy and stupid to investigate, or you are under the illusion that you have an influence on the price. Either way, i don't understand what all the fuss here is about. A couple of days ago you could buy AGRS for 11000 s on Bittrex, and no one was complaining or asking for timelines. Now, we've got all these newbies who are fudding as if their lives depend on it.
Do some decent investigation before you buy something, and learn from this instead of spreading bullshit.

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people have the  right to know this information to draw conclusions which are very obvious, i would leave it but he is deleting all my post where i quote  him talking about huge price increase, or where i mentioned that we still  dont know his identity or that he is not releasing any concrete information because " he is not good at explaining" to people who invested alot of money.
People need to know, i dont want  people to lose their life savings.
I bet you are stuck with a very large bag...
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Iggy - give it a rest mate  trying to trash talk the price down is neither original nor effective

It just gets annoying cause I get email notifications every time you troll and I jump onto BTT hoping for something useful only to find more of your trolling.

Not entirely your fault, BTT is not that flexible or customisable, but mate, you've said your piece ok, time to move on, people will see your posts alright, don't worry.

people have the  right to know this information to draw conclusions which are very obvious, i would leave it but he is deleting all my post where i quote  him talking about huge price increase, or where i mentioned that we still  dont know his identity or that he is not releasing any concrete information because " he is not good at explaining" to people who invested alot of money.
People need to know, i dont want  people to lose their life savings.

Gah! Another post of yours! I'm just asking for a bit of courtesy, please stop cluttering my inbox.

After twenty odd posts of yours, trust me, everyone knows yours views.
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Iggy - give it a rest mate  trying to trash talk the price down is neither original nor effective

It just gets annoying cause I get email notifications every time you troll and I jump onto BTT hoping for something useful only to find more of your trolling.

Not entirely your fault, BTT is not that flexible or customisable, but mate, you've said your piece ok, time to move on, people will see your posts alright, don't worry.

people have the  right to know this information to draw conclusions which are very obvious, i would leave it but he is deleting all my post where i quote  him talking about huge price increase, or where i mentioned that we still  dont know his identity or that he is not releasing any concrete information because " he is not good at explaining" to people who invested alot of money.
People need to know, i dont want  people to lose their life savings.
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People that claim ahad isnt involved in the pump and dump and that he never baited people with 3x 10x burning the coin etc promises  and that it was some random trolls are delusional , read my previous post check the history of this forum read it for yourself. can you really trust someoene who has done it before who keep his identity annonymous after 2+ years , who says he cant tell us details about project because he not good at explaining and who hasnt released anything other then sale news in a long time. thats just the tip of the investigation.
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Quote from: ohad on June 30, 2017, 07:19:14 PM

indeed i saw a misconception around that burning the tokens is about time. but it's not.
tau is one thing to be reached in stages (alpha, beta). tau has no coins. it is a platform for many things, one of them, for applications like agoras.
after tau is ready we need to develop agoras which is a currency and a market. between tau and agoras, is the time to sell around half of the coins, as the old plan. however we already sold 60%. we missed the deadline (1st of july) by 3 days. and now many more buyers would like to buy, so we made this "tentative sale" thing. not only we're not on the stage for after tau is ready, even tau's whitepaper is not ready yet, far to mention code. (we do have old whitepaper and code but things changed.)
when agoras is ready for shipping, then, and only then, we burn the unsold tokens.
so this burning thing has nothing to do with 1st of july.

as for price increase, x2, x4, x10 -- this is all old discussion, so no need to dive into details. the updated decision (since few days ago, here) is to stop the sale in 1st of july until tau/alpha is ready.

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Quote from: ohad on June 24, 2017, 10:21:38 PM
Quote from: mamse44 on June 24, 2017, 05:42:38 PM
So the the price is going up x10 to around 3 to 4 dollars in July to give OHad more time too develop and be able to give all his time to tauchain?

giving all my time was always since the project began and won't change till everything is ready.
the price raise is about giving less time into sale and more time into dev, as in the last weeks it became too much

he says he gives project all his time yet its been years and no prograss nothing is ready, nothing is explained because he cant communicate and lies..... so if this guy gives this project all his time and not achieve antyhing he must be super smart.

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Quote from: ohad on June 22, 2017, 05:36:22 PM
Quote from: epsonorcanon on June 22, 2017, 12:05:19 PM
which price will you rise to?> *10 on next month?

we'll see in a few days


here ohad is pumping the coin up saying it could be x10 the price after the sale... is this guy that stupid and inexperienced that he belives his own coin will go up x10   with no development? clearly he pumping his own stuff... plus he is annonymous , unimited coins, coins he didnt burn in his last crowdfun sale in may1 2016 and he says he cant explain his project because he is not good at explaining.

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Quote from: ohad on June 19, 2017, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: statdude on June 19, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: ohad on June 17, 2017, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: smbbm on June 17, 2017, 07:52:45 PM
Is there going to be some real Tau-Chain application in foreseeable future (2017 - beginning 2018) or it will be always just an academical talk? (no offense meant, it's just straight question)

it will always be just academic talk about tau, that's tau's whole point.
tau is a discussion about tau.
but our current discussion, like any other discussion in history, scales very poorly as the group size or information complexity is beyond some threshold.
to make it scale (i could almost say "perfectly"), we need a better discussion platform, even AI-enabled so to speak.
and this will very hopefully begin in 2017.

Not to be rude, but this comment makes the "launch" sound more like that of a forum, rather than a technology platform, along with the other comment about there being no blockchain/tangle/etc.

Fingers crossed this is just a general misunderstanding, since I bought a few and just got done putting them in cold storage  Cheesy Grin




indeed tau reduces to a self-defining discussion platform. with logic and reasoning and correct-by-construction and blockchain and everything as the old tau, but with some missing pieces. and the biggest missing piece, which shadows all others, is making discussions scale. i understand that my explanations are not good enough yet, this is also why the materials are not published yet.


when asked to provide some documents for discussion about project AHAD says " i understand that my explanations are not good enough yet, this is also why the materials are not published yet."


This guys  cant even explain his own project? or maybe there is no project.
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Quote from: ohad on June 17, 2017, 03:34:31 PM
the direct sale price went up 5% a month in the last +1y (before it was 2% a week).
in the 1st of july it'll be x4.
unless i'll get very close to sell "nearly majority of coins",
in which i'll raise it by, idk, x10, just to significantly make the sale much slower until tau is ready, mainly because i promised that all along, but not only

THIS GUY STRAIGHT UP LIE TO ALL OF US , HOW CAN HE BE GETTING A PASS ?!!!!
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Quote from: statdude on June 16, 2017, 09:16:19 PM
Quote from: drm on June 16, 2017, 09:15:52 PM
the price for buying directly has gone up, and will keep going up with time.
all unsold coins will be burned.


Unsold at what time? Launch?

Is there some kind of timeline we can see of sale progress?

this guy fell victim to the coins being burned lie.
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Quote from: ohad on June 19, 2017, 12:34:12 PM
there is no plan to publish personal information soon. and the new roadmap is under construction together with other materials.
as for more tokens, i can't see how i can seriously claim to solve such fundamental problems (with already  trillions of $$ of market size) and make 2-3% of tokens not enough. i even think it'll turn out to be too much and we'll have to cut


when soemone asked ahad about his id or office locations he  chose to disclose it? hmmmmmmmm, this project is up for 2 years and this guys is still being annonymous, thats what scammers do.
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Quote from: ohad on June 12, 2017, 07:53:20 AM
Quote from: serogen on June 12, 2017, 07:45:35 AM
sounds great ohad! keep your knowlege as long as possible save. too many copycats everywhere! if we see 2018 a first alpha im still happy :p
im looking forward to see the next blockchain revolution!

by the way u still will increase the price in july bye factor 2x or 4x?


thanks, yes, the price rise plan will take place



here he states himself about price increase.  so how is it someone else making it up?
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so he deletes every one of my post where i show how he was pumping up the price and refuses to give his identity or  talk details about the project because he is not good at explaining.........and he leaves all my other non threatening posts.... dont you guys see this  is a long term scam.
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Iggy - give it a rest mate  trying to trash talk the price down is neither original nor effective

It just gets annoying cause I get email notifications every time you troll and I jump onto BTT hoping for something useful only to find more of your trolling.

Not entirely your fault, BTT is not that flexible or customisable, but mate, you've said your piece ok, time to move on, people will see your posts alright, don't worry.
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its funny he deleted my posts where i quote him promising the price increase, i guess i am gonna have to repost it.
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how can ahad the dev of the  project  that is suposdly is so innovative wanna remain anonymous and provide no techincal update "because he is not good at explaining"
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Haha,  ahad deleted my posts where i am exposing him.

lets recap

old site not updated since 2016
anonymous dev.
no updates or explantion of progress because host says he not good at explaining..
ahad himself pupmped up the coin saying it will jump x10
says he works on this 24/7
previously held same type of price increase buy sale promise in may 1 2016 with promise to burn coins, didnt do it.
devs hold 90% of coins and has power to create more.
coins are  unlimited with no cap.
and much more.




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