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I also just read about the breaking news about Nadals withdrawal and to be honest i was not really that surprised. Nadal has a very long history with injuries and especially in the last 5 years he hardly had series of a few months where he was not hindered by any injury. In the last few weeks and months it looked like he had his chronic issue on his foot pretty much under control and now he has something else. That is really very unlucky for Nadal. I think though that it was the absolute right decision to withdraw from Wimbledon now. I read that the tear in his abs is already 7 mm long and it probably would have become larger and larger if he would have continued to play now.
Now he can make a break for a few weeks and then start to train again and he should be fit for the US open.

I don't think Djokovic is quite at his best, but yes, you'd expect him to beat Norrie.
I actually don't think it's outrageous to suggest that Kyrgios might win the tournament... whilst it's good for Djokovic, it's not absolutely ideal to go into a slam final having an opponent who is thoroughly rested and ready to go.

Tempted to put a bet on Kyrgios to win the tournament, odds are decent, and if he decides to turn up for what will be by far the biggest match of his career, he will be a threat.

Well if Nadal was playing against Kyrgios in this state i think he would have been destroyed. Plus another hard match would really get Nadal in the worst situation so sadly he withdrawed. Hopefully we see Djokovic and Kyrgios in the final to make it special

so, basically he said everything about faking the injury with this withdrawal

Kyrgios is lucky to be in the final, and I would not count him out completely, but this scenario is simply the best for Djokovic that could happen, from top4 players, two were out before the tournament and one withdrew due to injury and last year finalist withdrew due to Covid

Norrie will be down in three sets, probably, but still hoping to have at least @1.3 on Djokovic at one moment, to hedge outright

Rafael Nadal played a great match yesterday despite his injury and saw semi-final but unfortunately today he announced that he withdrew from the tournament due to abdominal injury. I wish him speedy recovery and see him in next Grand Slam fully fit. Now my favorite in Wimbledon is obviously Novak Djokovic. He made a great comeback in quarter final against Sinner and showed how he's still hungry about this tournament. He won last four tournament here and is ready to make it five in a row.
He will play with Norrie and then Kyrgios if he pass Norrie in semi final. Kyrgios can rest more but I still see Nole as heavy favorite here.

Rafael Nadal made a statement that he withdrew from the tournament unfortunately. His performance against Fritz despite being injured was really awesome. It wasn't expected for him to join the tournament before Wimbledon too. However he came here by making big sacrifices. Nick Kyrgios has become the first finalist in this way.

Congratulations on winning  I watched the game exclusively by odds, so I can not say anything about the reliability of this bet. In doubles, clear underdogs Matthew Ebden/Max Purcell also won. It surprises me that the pre-match quotes of the bookmakers are very far from the real state of affairs. It seems that it is more profitable to bet on each outsider and this will give a total profit.

Rybakina won the match really easy and i didnt expect that to happen in straight sets. Halep was really good on Wimbledon and i was thinking that she was gonna win the title. Now we have a duel between Jabour and Rybakina and in the final and i think Rybakina has a good chance to win it

I just took Rybakina to win at 1.8 few moments ago. I am watching the match and Simona Halep has no chance here unless something really strange happens. Rybakina lost only few points on her serve in the whole match while Halep has to defend break points in almost ever game.

This will be one of the easiest bets recently.

Edit: And now there is already a break in second set as well, I am bit angry at myself for not taking a larger risk with bigger stake.

Due to the injury to Nadal, it seems an open road to Fritz too in the quarterfinal match but it did not turn out that way. Nadal came strong in the last set. I guess both Nadal  and Dokovic has so much experience with them that if you take the match so long, they will handle the pressure well as compared to the relatively new players.
Anyways i feel we might have an historic Dokovic vs Nadal final 

Rybakina, Elena 1.75

Halep, Simona 2.10

The game score is 5-2 and Elena apparently wins the first set. Another game where the original favorite falls into the pit. The initial quotes for Simona's victory were 1.3. Is it worth it now to take a bet at an increased odds? Or is women's tennis random and not worth the risk? Remembering Djokovic and Nadal's comebacks, the situation looks attractive.

Ha of course, I was the one who got it wrong. Duh.

I've been having periods of "revolutions" at the way I see age in sports now, mainly due to personal experience and what I can now witness myself at the top level.

Started about 15 years ago when I was a very young 20-ish guy, running 5km a day before I started my day (a day that proceeded to have at least 2 hours football after work). Guy who convinced me was an 83-year old dude (he looked 60 to me when I first met him) who only slept about 3/4 hours a day. Now he ran qualification speed 10km a day, either before 6 am or after 12 midnight. He had a slight stoop yes, but a human marvel.

So he actually ended up still doing much more than me or regular guys at our work. Hyper alert, really smart.

Anyway, he told me he was a fat fck and didn't do much with his life until he was retired at mid 50s. Got his degree, his work, everything after mid life. Didn't play sport or any physical activity too. Tennis, of all things, and running, was his thing.

In short: since then, and seeing more and more how injury and rehab techniques improve... I actually don't think it's such a joke that you could perform at least 50% peak into your 50s.

And hell, if you could play 50% of peak Nadal?


Yeah my bad!

I don't think it's as bad as media might have made out either but don't doubt he's faking it. I mean, there are injuries you absolutely can play through or even forget about, adrenaline numbs it all. Does tennis allow you to take hardcore painkillers (before/while playing) like in football? I remember Gerrard injecting himself in the foot just before a game, and apparently did it a lot throughout his Liverpool days just to keep playing and I was like, damn, they can do that?

I know from the news Nadal's been on them, but more like the pop pills Dr House Vicodin variety I believe.

Edit: just saw Cnut's post on foot anaesthesia, so I guess it's also fair game in tennis.

I think it's genuine. I'd make a distinction here between Nadal and Djokovic.

Djokovic is famous for having "injuries" at strategic moments in matches, normally when he's losing. He definitely fakes most/all of it.

Nadal isn't famous for this, despite the number of big matches he's had, and the opportunities he's had to do so when in a losing position over the years against Federer or Djokovic. His injuries don't come at convenient moments. They don't come when he's losing, and they don't magically disappear. He had the abdominal problem in the previous round, too... it just got worse in this match. And it was visibly affecting him in his service action, right through to the end of the match.

Plus, Nadal just comes across as an open, nice and honest person.

Here's evidence of the abdominal injury in the previous round, against van de Zandschulp.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/19091507/rafael-nadal-pain-wimbledon-quarter-final-van-de-zandschulp/




The foot problem he had at Roland Garros is serious, a congenital defect, and he played and won a whole slam with his foot anaesthetised. He's Nadal after all, he's an absolute machine, and even at 70% or 80% or whatever, he's too good for most opponents.

The last remaining player from Germany Maria will play against Jabeur in about 45 minutes. The odds are against Maria. And although I wish her a victory, she probably will not win and the semifinal will be her endstation. Jabeur has been in the final 4 times this year and plays very well on grass. But it could be that she needs 3 sets to win.

38th Grand slam semi final for sure, if it was 38th Wimbledon he would have to be at least 55 years old and in semi every year  

I really don't know what to think about Nadal injuries, there is couple of players that think he is faking it and logically injury can't be to serius if he can play over 4 hours on pitch.

I think the BBC has got it wrong, must be his 38th slam semi, surely?

But having said that... I might be tempted to bet that Nadal can eventually make 38 semi-final appearances at Roland Garros. That would assume he can remain one of the top 4 clay court players in the world, up until he's about 60 years old. The way he's been on clay so far, I wouldn't rule it out! I can almost see him now, standing on the baseline, slightly stooped, walking stick in one hand, tennis racquet in the other, destroying anyone who dares to go up against him...

Didn't work out for me yesterday, good thing I didn't back Fritz in the end (him winning first set of course helped me not do that as odds went badly).


Yeah, Nadal all the way for me, and at these odds? Even live, Nadal and Djokovic when down just too good to pass.

Not just 22 GSs, too, this is his 38th Wimbledon semi (so says BBC). Experience isn't the only thing to win the day but in his case, it's more than enough.

Injury v Injury, just hope there's no retire to ruin all our days.

The odds were due to the injury. Yes, we would never ever see odds like that on Rafa in normal circumstances, like with Djokovic, even if he's two sets down, you would still expect him to pull through and win.
The issue here, and probably the only thing that prevents Nadal being outright favourite for the whole tournament, is his abdominal injury. For much of the match yesterday he was serving at half pace. Not sure how much it affected his overall movement, but that serve stretch was definitely giving him a lot of trouble.

Still, even with that, he managed to beat one of the top grass court players, just like he won the French Open effectively on one foot a few weeks back.
If he can recover quickly and perform at full fitness, Rafa must be favourite ahead of Djokovic. The question is only really fitness at the moment.

Nadal played agaisnt Taylor Fritz not Sinner. IT was Djokovic that faced Sinner. Yeah, it is inspirational how Nadal kept going. Even I thought after 3 sets when a personal trainer came on court, Nadal would stop playing and Fritz goes on into the semi finals. Was surprising to see him get back up and looked great until the end. Fritz did mess up a few points, probably due to nerves but he had played really well until the later parts of 4th set. If the match was for just 3 sets, Fritz wouldve surely won.

There is no doubt right now Kyrgios is at the top of his game and after having last few matches easily mostly peoples considering him as favorite for game against Nadal but as I watch his last few matches he is also having some trouble in shoulder which can give him some stress in game against Nadal because it's going to be no easy for anyone to win and go through into final.

If check the history of these both then surely Nadal is at his best but with some improvement now Kyrgios is also having much better results, and he can win this game even he can give tough time to Djokovic in final of this tournament because he is doing amazing game.