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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 08, 2022, 10:07:51 AM

Another interesting point to consider is that one reason Djokovic can come back from 2 sets down so often is he is able to sustain top physical level for longer than most players, he can simply outlast almost everyone... and this is where he may finally meet his match in Norrie, who is also a master of endurance.

Yes, Djokovic lost the first two sets and managed to win the last match but this does not mean that it will happen every time. At the moment, no one can conclude who will win this match. However, Norrie, British professional tennis player, has a golden opportunity today. He is one set ahead and he needs to show the presence of mind and some skills to make history today.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 08, 2022, 09:51:44 AM

The game score is 2-5 and most likely Djokovic loses the first set. The odds are pretty ridiculous though:

Djokovic, Novak 1,3

Norrie, Cameron 3,65

It seems to me that Cameron is very much underestimated because of the big name of the opponent, and if you bet, it's better to bet on Cameron.

Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

Djokovic lost the first set but bookmakers still see him favorite as he has the habit of coming from behind. However, i think everyone is under estimating Norrie here. Norrie is playing very competitive today and we could see a big upset today. I would bet a small amount on Cameron Norrie, as his odds are too tempting to take the risk.
The second set is in progress and let us see who will win the first break point.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 08, 2022, 09:51:44 AM

Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

Djokovic has a tendency to come back from even two sets down, and win. Those odds might factor in the Sinner match in the last round, he went 2 sets down, then broke in the third and from then on looked completely untroubled in sealing a simple three set victory (ignoring the two sets he'd lost beforehand).

Nevertheless I do think Djokovic is not quite the 100% Djokovic we've seen in recent years, and Norrie does have a chance.
But yes, for the moment, even at a set down, Djokovic should be clear favourite.

Another interesting point to consider is that one reason Djokovic can come back from 2 sets down so often is he is able to sustain top physical level for longer than most players, he can simply outlast almost everyone... and this is where he may finally meet his match in Norrie, who is also a master of endurance.

It's an intriguing match...

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The game score is 2-5 and most likely Djokovic loses the first set. The odds are pretty ridiculous though:

Djokovic, Novak 1,3

Norrie, Cameron 3,65

It seems to me that Cameron is very much underestimated because of the big name of the opponent, and if you bet, it's better to bet on Cameron.

Djokovic lost the first set but now the odds are even more ridiculous:

Djokovic, Novak 1,2

Norrie, Cameron 4,9

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Quote from: Ratash on July 08, 2022, 08:41:08 AM

Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

We can't be judgemental on one's injury. No one will make a walkover with an intention. For him this year is really good, and he never wants to give a pause to the winning streak. Possibly he'll make a recovery within few weeks time. So the final is going to be Djokovic vs Kyrgios, and Djokovic will once again give a thrill match losing the first two sets and winning the last three sets.

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Quote from: Ratash on July 08, 2022, 08:41:08 AM

Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

It could be worst that we though, that is the same injury that he had before and then he re-injured it again, not a good sign, maybe it's the wear and tear and taking a toll on his body.

I put a bet on Norrie +7.5 at 2.00, expecting him to at least give Djokovic a good match in the semis. The game is about 20 minutes from now and hopefully we can see great tennis.

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Nadal walking over against kyrgios is not what i would excpect i hope he does not have an injury and if he does i hope its not a bad one this year he has been excelent so far he won two consecutive grand slams and i thought he might win this one too but its too bad, djokovic odds vs norrie are unexpectedly low i think it will be more close than the odds suggest.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on July 08, 2022, 05:40:07 AM

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Quote from: Trofo on July 08, 2022, 01:59:06 AM

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around Grin

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

Rankings are on a rolling 12 month basis. After French Open 2022, players lost their ranking points from French Open 2021, and gained those from French Open 2022.
So after Wimbledon 2022, players lose their points from Wimbledon 2021, and gain 0 (because no points for Wimbledon this year).

Wimbledon 2021: Djokovic 2000 points, Medvedev 180 points (IIRC).
Wimbledon 2022: Djokovic 0 points, Medvedev 0 points.

Djokovic loses 2000 points from his ranking after Wimbledon 2022, Medvedev only loses 180, and becomes world number one.

Cnut was faster and explained it to you even better than I would. For instance I had no idea that Medvedev got 180 last year so my example would have been less complete. No way I would google that Grin

All in all, masterfull clusterfuck which happens when two organisations decide to flex muscles and see how far they can push each other instead of agreeing on some common sense solution.

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Quote from: buwaytress on July 08, 2022, 05:34:52 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 08, 2022, 01:59:06 AM

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around Grin

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

Rankings are on a rolling 12 month basis. After French Open 2022, players lost their ranking points from French Open 2021, and gained those from French Open 2022.
So after Wimbledon 2022, players lose their points from Wimbledon 2021, and gain 0 (because no points for Wimbledon this year).

Wimbledon 2021: Djokovic 2000 points, Medvedev 180 points (IIRC).
Wimbledon 2022: Djokovic 0 points, Medvedev 0 points.

Djokovic loses 2000 points from his ranking after Wimbledon 2022, Medvedev only loses 180, and becomes world number one.

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Quote from: casperBGD on July 08, 2022, 01:59:35 AM

regarding today, probably an easy win for Novak, but it could get interesting

Norrie Kyrgios would be a nice final of unknowns methinks. Probably less than epic but likely to have the best and worst of both. 8/1 for Djokovic to lose, and it really is his to lose. He might give up the first set though, just to test waters, if I know how things will turn out.

I always side a bit with home support advantage but in this case, Djoko probably thrives being on the receiving end...

Quote from: Trofo on July 08, 2022, 01:59:06 AM

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around Grin

Explain this to me, apologies for not having caught up. He wins but loses points because he doesn't have anything to defend?

Then shouldn't Medvedev lose points for not defending them?

Yeah I don't get it.

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Quote from: Trofo on July 07, 2022, 02:16:32 PM

Add to that fact that there is no points this year

I just found out that this year there are no points for players at Wimbledon and this will make the player rankings will remain the same for some time.

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around Grin

It's actually even worse than that. Not only did their actions mean that they have made a Russian men's number one, but also women's finalist Elena Rybakina "from Kazakhstan" is actually a Russian competing under the Kazakh flag because they gave her funding. So quite possibly a Russian will win the women's title. And more than that, Wimbledon's decision has had a negative effect for British players, many of whom would have scored more ranking points than usual in this year's tournament, not just Norrie but also lower ranked players such as Katie Boulter and Heather Watson (amongst others)... for whom the ranking points boost would have been really valuable.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 08, 2022, 03:25:54 AM

Quote from: cryptofrka on July 08, 2022, 02:16:47 AM

It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

I think otherwise though, for me Kyrgios is the biggest threat between the two. However, it will still be Djokovic in the end, I doubt that anyone of them can match the mentality of Djokovic in closing out game.

But it will be an interesting match between him and Nick, could be fun specially if we will have Nick's tantrums again and how will Djokovic will react. Odds for Djokovic stands at 1.06 ML, 9.20 for Norrie.

Have to agree that Kyrgios is a bigger threat here. Did not watch Norrie at all this year on grass so maybe I am biased but I simply can't see a way for him to outplay Djoković. I feel like home crowd is the only thing in his favour here.

Kyrgios on the other hand has the game for sure and has 2:0 against Djoković, both wins on hard court and grass should favour him even more. If, and that is a big if, Kyrgios enters the match focused I see him as legit title contender. My bet will be on Kyrgios in some form, maybe handi or to take one set or to take first set.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on July 08, 2022, 02:16:47 AM

It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

I think otherwise though, for me Kyrgios is the biggest threat between the two. However, it will still be Djokovic in the end, I doubt that anyone of them can match the mentality of Djokovic in closing out game.

But it will be an interesting match between him and Nick, could be fun specially if we will have Nick's tantrums again and how will Djokovic will react. Odds for Djokovic stands at 1.06 ML, 9.20 for Norrie.

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It's a shame that Nadal cannot continue, he was my favorite to lift the trophy. If he'd won here, he would have needed only the US open for the Grand Slam and with his age - that would have been such an achievement.

Đoković has an open road to the trophy now, I feel Norrie will be a bigger threat than Kyrgios. I do expect him to win both of these games comfortably, he'll mentally destroy Kyrgios in the final and he's simply got too much quality to lose to Norrie in a best to 3 sets mach.

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Quote from: babygun on July 07, 2022, 03:51:01 PM

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Why Kyrgios is lucky to be in the final?

it is just because he will not play semi-final match, I am not saying that he is lucky to reach SF
he played great tennis so far, and as I said, I would not count him out in the final, although Djokovic is a clear favorite (not just now, it was prior to tournament as well, with odds below 2)

regarding today, probably an easy win for Novak, but it could get interesting

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Quote from: Strongkored on July 08, 2022, 01:52:43 AM

Quote from: Trofo on July 07, 2022, 02:16:32 PM

Add to that fact that there is no points this year

I just found out that this year there are no points for players at Wimbledon and this will make the player rankings will remain the same for some time.

Not actually true. You have to defend points from last year and now that is impossible. For instance Djokovic will probably win Wimbledon and in process loose 2000 points and as a consequence loose first spot on rankings to Medvedev who was not allowed to play in Wimbledon. If it wasn't tragic it would be hilarious.

Wimbledon banned russian players to play and as a consequence ATP took away points and in process Medvedev who was supposed to be punished becomes number 1. Idiots all around Grin

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Quote from: Trofo on July 07, 2022, 02:16:32 PM

Add to that fact that there is no points this year

I just found out that this year there are no points for players at Wimbledon and this will make the player rankings will remain the same for some time.

Honestly quite disappointed to see Nadal not playing due to injury, not because I'm a fan of him but because I hope he beats Kyrgios, and in the final will watch the Nadal vs Djokovic match, doesn't like Kyrgios to play in the final because of his attitude that almost never respects his opponents and the whole swearing is so annoying.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 07, 2022, 02:46:32 PM

I just saw the status "Walkover" on the semi final match between Nadal and Kyrgios.

This is a big shock for me and Nadal fans all over the world. Instead of losing to Kyrgios by playing in a bad health situation, he preferred to fortified the match and walk out of the tournament with dignity.

Heard it on the radio only this morning. Very sad. But that is also a good decision. He should not play when he is in pain. He should not take the risk that the injury will get worse and take longer to heal. But it is a pity that we can not see a match between Kyrgios and Nadal. I would have liked to watch it.

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Quote from: babygun on July 07, 2022, 03:51:01 PM

Quote from: casperBGD on July 07, 2022, 01:53:59 PM

so, basically he said everything about faking the injury with this withdrawal

Kyrgios is lucky to be in the final, and I would not count him out completely, but this scenario is simply the best for Djokovic that could happen, from top4 players, two were out before the tournament and one withdrew due to injury and last year finalist withdrew due to Covid

Norrie will be down in three sets, probably, but still hoping to have at least @1.3 on Djokovic at one moment, to hedge outright

Why Kyrgios is lucky to be in the final? He played some very good matches and as Trofo already mentioned, against the top players he will always be even more motivated. Djokovic will probably win quite easily against Norrie and will be the favorite also in the final but Djokovic is far from unbeatable this year. We all know that Kyrgios has the talent to win a grand slam and this is a good chance for him to show that.

Everyone who reaches the Quarter finals, played good tennis and therefore reached this point. Kyrgios is lucky because he reached the finals without playing the semi finals. If Nadal was fit do you think Kyrgios would have any chance to beat Nadal in the semi final match? It would have been very difficult indeed.
Also, it makes Djokovic clear favorite to win the title.

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Quote from: noormcs5 on July 07, 2022, 02:46:32 PM

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Quote from: CLS63 on July 07, 2022, 01:34:20 PM

Rafael Nadal made a statement that he withdrew from the tournament unfortunately. His performance against Fritz despite being injured was really awesome. It wasn't expected for him to join the tournament before Wimbledon too. However he came here by making big sacrifices. Nick Kyrgios has become the first finalist in this way.

Well if Nadal was playing against Kyrgios in this state i think he would have been destroyed. Plus another hard match would really get Nadal in the worst situation so sadly he withdrawed. Hopefully we see Djokovic and Kyrgios in the final to make it special

I just saw the status "Walkover" on the semi final match between Nadal and Kyrgios.

This is a big shock for me and Nadal fans all over the world. Instead of losing to Kyrgios by playing in a bad health situation, he preferred to fortified the match and walk out of the tournament with dignity.

Perhaps it was really because of his abdominal injury, we have seen it in the Fritz match, takes a couple of medical break. I'm just thinking though, Nadal should have forfeited his match against Fritz then so that we can witness a match between Kyrgios and Fritz.

Now we are deprived of a semifinals match, and him giving Nick a free pass in the finals against Djokovic. Lose-lose situation for Nadal.

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