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Quote from: buwaytress on March 14, 2022, 02:18:17 AM

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I get what Trofo's saying too, I get heckling is part of the game (same as I get that for some players they're abusive, whatever) but it's never cool to pick on someone who's obviously not in the right frame of mind. I'm happy to insult all my friends all day long too, but the moment I know they're not able to take it, or they're already down, I'm not touching them. Picking on the weak? That's playground bullying. If the guy didn't know it, he would have admitted to it by now.

agree on this one, you can "insult" your friends, if they can handle it, and give you back "insults", it is a good game
but, if there is someone that cannot handle it, then you stop, because hurting someone should not be part of the game

on the other side, they are playing in public, should have some mental consultants, or someone to help them with it, because there will always be someone to bullying them, you have to know how to handle it on the pitch

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Anyone actually expect Raducanu to drop out so early? I've never convinced myself to bet on her after her perfect GS, always felt that was a bit of a one-off (and I know saying this may very well bit me in the ass one day).

Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 12:37:12 PM

Re: Tsitsipas, he isnt on my radar anymore, I lost a lot of bets last year with him
and he seemed to struggle yesterday against Jack Sock, no disrespect to Sock.

Re: Osaka, I feel really sorry for her, that incident obviously affected her, she lost that
first set 0-6. She rightly so asked for that scum to be removed but it seems they
couldnt identify it. Its ok to cheer on you player, obviously at the right moments but
to heckle Osaka is not OK, that scum should have been made an example of.

A bit stubborn of me to stick with the Greek after consecutive letdowns too, expected him to overperform in AO but last month final appearance gives me hope he may yet surprise me, but yeah definitely downgrading my outrights on tennis for the time-being.

I get what Trofo's saying too, I get heckling is part of the game (same as I get that for some players they're abusive, whatever) but it's never cool to pick on someone who's obviously not in the right frame of mind. I'm happy to insult all my friends all day long too, but the moment I know they're not able to take it, or they're already down, I'm not touching them. Picking on the weak? That's playground bullying. If the guy didn't know it, he would have admitted to it by now.

But in the end, yeah, Osaka needs to return when she can deal with it. Part of growing up is facing down those bullies. I should know Wink

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Quote from: Trofo on March 13, 2022, 02:54:08 PM

I am also really sorry for Osaka but there wasn't some really big incident here. Hell I heard some much worse insults thrown my way from opposing supporters. That stuff happens and professional players must learn to cope with it. I know Osaka is a bit of special case because of her issues but maybe guy yelling that did not know it.

To be clear I am not absolving the heckler but realistically stuff like that will happen often and she needs to find a way to deal with it.

I think she will always struggle with that... She is a great talent and could potentially become a really great champion but if she keeps struggling with situations like this than she will probably not make the maximum out of her career. And as you mention, I already heard insults that were a lot harsher than these.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 12:37:12 PM

Quote from: buwaytress on March 13, 2022, 09:45:46 AM

aoluain, Trofo, couldn't agree more. Winning ugly shouldn't be the mantra, but it should always be a weapon in your arsenal. Campaigns and tournaments can't all be won playing beautifully. Scary to see Nadal still know how to bag the wins by being at his shittiest.

Anyway, I've only got my old friend Tsitsi on an outright, but instead of winning, I've just backed him to reach the final. 87/10 but long way to go.

Re Osaka... I can't really comment. I think it's terrible how it was all managed, young talents should be protected, modern sports and all that. But yeah, take a break, come back proper. Be stronger. That's all there is to it, once all's said and done.

Re: Tsitsipas, he isnt on my radar anymore, I lost a lot of bets last year with him
and he seemed to struggle yesterday against Jack Sock, no disrespect to Sock.

Yeah, for sure you know me by being a big supporter of Tsitsipas for the last two years. But it seems that he has lost some momentum and that hungry is not there anymore. Although he is still in the top 5 his contemporaries like Medvedev and Zverev are way above him now.

Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 12:37:12 PM

Re: Osaka, I feel really sorry for her, that incident obviously affected her, she lost that
first set 0-6. She rightly so asked for that scum to be removed but it seems they
couldnt identify it. Its ok to cheer on you player, obviously at the right moments but
to heckle Osaka is not OK, that scum should have been made an example of.

They should put more securities just like in other sports. I know that in NBA some fans can be escorted out of the court if the players complain about them. Osaka though really needs to get stronger mentality because this is sports and there could be hecklers trying to distract you.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on March 13, 2022, 06:44:40 PM

Quote from: Jating on March 13, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 13, 2022, 04:14:11 AM

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

Why not take the risk and go for Bublik in this match?

We have talk how Murray is old and past his prime and maybe Bublik can take this one and win. The ML is attractive enough with the odds @2.x.

that was a good prediction, Bublik did actually win, Murray put up a good fight in the first set and had chances to win it, and I think if did won it things could have been really different, Murray gave Bublik troubles on his serve games and managed to win games on his serve quite easily but things went the other way on the second set for Murray on his serve and it only took one game on his serve to cost him the second set and match, I hate to admit it but Murray is done competitively.

Murry used to be a great player. One of the few who often beat Federer. Now he wants to, you can see that he has a fighting spirit, but because of his artificial hip it is just one level lower. Because of his talent and willpower he can still win some games, but he will never make it to the top 10. Perhaps it would still be an idea if he started to focus on doubles, in which his brother is also often active.

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Quote from: Jating on March 13, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 13, 2022, 04:14:11 AM

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

Why not take the risk and go for Bublik in this match?

We have talk how Murray is old and past his prime and maybe Bublik can take this one and win. The ML is attractive enough with the odds @2.x.

that was a good prediction, Bublik did actually win, Murray put up a good fight in the first set and had chances to win it, and I think if did won it things could have been really different, Murray gave Bublik troubles on his serve games and managed to win games on his serve quite easily but things went the other way on the second set for Murray on his serve and it only took one game on his serve to cost him the second set and match, I hate to admit it but Murray is done competitively.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 12:37:12 PM

Re: Osaka, I feel really sorry for her, that incident obviously affected her, she lost that
first set 0-6. She rightly so asked for that scum to be removed but it seems they
couldnt identify it. Its ok to cheer on you player, obviously at the right moments but
to heckle Osaka is not OK, that scum should have been made an example of.

I am also really sorry for Osaka but there wasn't some really big incident here. Hell I heard some much worse insults thrown my way from opposing supporters. That stuff happens and professional players must learn to cope with it. I know Osaka is a bit of special case because of her issues but maybe guy yelling that did not know it.

To be clear I am not absolving the heckler but realistically stuff like that will happen often and she needs to find a way to deal with it.

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Quote from: buwaytress on March 13, 2022, 09:45:46 AM

aoluain, Trofo, couldn't agree more. Winning ugly shouldn't be the mantra, but it should always be a weapon in your arsenal. Campaigns and tournaments can't all be won playing beautifully. Scary to see Nadal still know how to bag the wins by being at his shittiest.

Anyway, I've only got my old friend Tsitsi on an outright, but instead of winning, I've just backed him to reach the final. 87/10 but long way to go.

Re Osaka... I can't really comment. I think it's terrible how it was all managed, young talents should be protected, modern sports and all that. But yeah, take a break, come back proper. Be stronger. That's all there is to it, once all's said and done.

Re: Tsitsipas, he isnt on my radar anymore, I lost a lot of bets last year with him
and he seemed to struggle yesterday against Jack Sock, no disrespect to Sock.

Re: Osaka, I feel really sorry for her, that incident obviously affected her, she lost that
first set 0-6. She rightly so asked for that scum to be removed but it seems they
couldnt identify it. Its ok to cheer on you player, obviously at the right moments but
to heckle Osaka is not OK, that scum should have been made an example of.

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Quote from: Jating on March 13, 2022, 05:44:42 AM

Quote from: TravelMug on March 13, 2022, 04:14:11 AM

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

Why not take the risk and go for Bublik in this match?

We have talk how Murray is old and past his prime and maybe Bublik can take this one and win. The ML is attractive enough with the odds @2.x.

Nadal 16/16, just shows that he still got it, he said that there is no pressure from him, so this numbers can go up in this tournament.

Of course Murray is still a good tennis player, but I think that his prime is certainly over.

Bublik is 24 years old and ranked 33rd right now in the overall ATP ranking. I think that Bublik is going to beat Murray here. Bublik has shown a couple of strong matches against stronger players or players that were in better shape than Murray currently is in. I guess Murray still suffers from his hip surgery. Usually professionals who got some artificial join replacement won't ever get back to their old levels let alone play again at all.

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aoluain, Trofo, couldn't agree more. Winning ugly shouldn't be the mantra, but it should always be a weapon in your arsenal. Campaigns and tournaments can't all be won playing beautifully. Scary to see Nadal still know how to bag the wins by being at his shittiest.

Anyway, I've only got my old friend Tsitsi on an outright, but instead of winning, I've just backed him to reach the final. 87/10 but long way to go.

Re Osaka... I can't really comment. I think it's terrible how it was all managed, young talents should be protected, modern sports and all that. But yeah, take a break, come back proper. Be stronger. That's all there is to it, once all's said and done.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on March 13, 2022, 07:54:06 AM

I really like Osaka as a tennis player and I really saw her as Serena’s successor in women’s tennis.
Unfortunately, it's obvious that psychologically she is still not ready for a real return to the top of women's tennis.
I'm very sorry to see that one great tennis talent fails to overcome her psychological problems and play again at the former level.
If Osaka wants to save its tennis career, it's high time to seek professional psychological help.
Women's tennis needs a great champion like her.
This would also help the popularity of women's tennis and increase the interest of sponsors.

She does seem to be struggling. It's a good thing though that athletes are starting to be more open about the problems they have faced. Osaka may not be having quite the success on the court that she used to, but she has been hugely influential in encouraging others to open up, and has been a world-leader in this regard... Simone Biles being another big example here.

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''Former world number one Naomi Osaka was brought to tears by a heckler during her 6-0 6-4 defeat by Veronika Kudermetova at Indian Wells.''
''While holding back tears, Japan's Osaka said: "I've been heckled before and it didn't really bother me.
But being heckled here. I've watched video of Venus and Serena get heckled here and if you've never watched it, you should watch it. And I don't know why, but it went into my head and got replayed a lot."''

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/60726023

I really like Osaka as a tennis player and I really saw her as Serena’s successor in women’s tennis.
Unfortunately, it's obvious that psychologically she is still not ready for a real return to the top of women's tennis.
I'm very sorry to see that one great tennis talent fails to overcome her psychological problems and play again at the former level.
If Osaka wants to save its tennis career, it's high time to seek professional psychological help.
Women's tennis needs a great champion like her.
This would also help the popularity of women's tennis and increase the interest of sponsors.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 13, 2022, 04:14:11 AM

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

Why not take the risk and go for Bublik in this match?

We have talk how Murray is old and past his prime and maybe Bublik can take this one and win. The ML is attractive enough with the odds @2.x.

Nadal 16/16, just shows that he still got it, he said that there is no pressure from him, so this numbers can go up in this tournament.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 13, 2022, 04:56:04 AM

Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 03:40:14 AM

Nadal after the match acknowledged that Korda had the right to win the match
and that both Korda played well and himself not so much.

This was by far the worst Nadal performance this season and he knows it. It is the mark of true champions, to win the match even when you are worse player on the pitch. With this win Nadal remains king of the hard court

All victories this season 16/16. I am afraid to even think how will he look and dominate on his favorite clay surface. This could be Nadal's year.

Yes, to use a phrase used in Ireland's win over England in the Six Nations Rugby
Championship yesterday, "They won ugly". Its a mark of a true champion and/or top team
to be able to pull a win out of the fire when the game/match is going against you.

Yea could be Nadal's year, he will take an immense amount of positivity from
this and carry it into his next matches.

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Quote from: Rabi3 on March 12, 2022, 06:18:30 PM

Nadal just made a crazy comeback in a third set against Korda, he was behind 2-5 with two breaks but he managed to win the set and the match in the tiebreak, he's on fire this year, Sebastian Korda is young talented player he gave Nadal problems but he was no match to the performance Nadal being doing lately, it's so good seeing him back and bringing a lot of entertainment with him.

Yes, we watched this match, Korda gave Nadal problems for sure in both the
second and third sets. Nadal looked his normal self in the first set winning 6-2
but his service game was not functioning and Korda was able to successfully
attack the second serve. I had a bet on Nadal to win this and thought it was
going to be easy enough. The comeback from 2-5 down in the 3rd was unbelievable.

Nadal after the match acknowledged that Korda had the right to win the match
and that both Korda played well and himself not so much.

Exactly, he even acknowledge that he got lucky on the 3rd set and win the set.

For sure Korda will take his lost as a good teacher because for sure it will made him more confident going forward because as a young player he almost beat the legendary Nadal.

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

I would probably fancy Murray as favourite, Bublik is unpredictable. in regards
to his mental state and how he wants to play

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Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 03:40:14 AM

Nadal after the match acknowledged that Korda had the right to win the match
and that both Korda played well and himself not so much.

This was by far the worst Nadal performance this season and he knows it. It is the mark of true champions, to win the match even when you are worse player on the pitch. With this win Nadal remains king of the hard court

All victories this season 16/16. I am afraid to even think how will he look and dominate on his favorite clay surface. This could be Nadal's year.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 13, 2022, 03:40:14 AM

Quote from: Rabi3 on March 12, 2022, 06:18:30 PM

Nadal just made a crazy comeback in a third set against Korda, he was behind 2-5 with two breaks but he managed to win the set and the match in the tiebreak, he's on fire this year, Sebastian Korda is young talented player he gave Nadal problems but he was no match to the performance Nadal being doing lately, it's so good seeing him back and bringing a lot of entertainment with him.

Yes, we watched this match, Korda gave Nadal problems for sure in both the
second and third sets. Nadal looked his normal self in the first set winning 6-2
but his service game was not functioning and Korda was able to successfully
attack the second serve. I had a bet on Nadal to win this and thought it was
going to be easy enough. The comeback from 2-5 down in the 3rd was unbelievable.

Nadal after the match acknowledged that Korda had the right to win the match
and that both Korda played well and himself not so much.

Exactly, he even acknowledge that he got lucky on the 3rd set and win the set.

For sure Korda will take his lost as a good teacher because for sure it will made him more confident going forward because as a young player he almost beat the legendary Nadal.

Murray vs Bublik - surprisingly Murray is the favorite to win, what do you guys think about this match?

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Quote from: Rabi3 on March 12, 2022, 06:18:30 PM

Nadal just made a crazy comeback in a third set against Korda, he was behind 2-5 with two breaks but he managed to win the set and the match in the tiebreak, he's on fire this year, Sebastian Korda is young talented player he gave Nadal problems but he was no match to the performance Nadal being doing lately, it's so good seeing him back and bringing a lot of entertainment with him.

Yes, we watched this match, Korda gave Nadal problems for sure in both the
second and third sets. Nadal looked his normal self in the first set winning 6-2
but his service game was not functioning and Korda was able to successfully
attack the second serve. I had a bet on Nadal to win this and thought it was
going to be easy enough. The comeback from 2-5 down in the 3rd was unbelievable.

Nadal after the match acknowledged that Korda had the right to win the match
and that both Korda played well and himself not so much.

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And Djokovic again refused to participate in several tournaments, he also never learns. He apparently thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Actually, all tournaments should exclude him, he doesn't want to be vaccinated, so I think I'll just have to bear the consequences. As a professional tennis player you have an example to the rest of the world, he is a very bad example. This way there are few tournaments left for him to participate in.

It is his choice if he wants to get vaccinated honestly. If he dosent he dosent get to play on tournaments and he is fine with it. He has a different opinion on covid vaccines . Also with this war no body is talking about covid anymore so i think in 1-2 months all of this with covid will end and hopefully they allow players like Djokovic to play in all tournaments.

I doubt that is going to happen especially if you take into account the current development in corona infection statistics. It is shooting up like a rocket in many countries and despite the new variant being less deadly, at some point it turns into a numbers game. 1% of 100,000 people is less than 0.2% of 1,000,000 people. If we don't control for infections and we also let everyone behave as they wish and not get vaccinated, we may run into problems again. Djokovic is a human being as anyone else is. If he doesn't get vaccinated, he has to live with the same consequences as the ordinary Joe.

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Nadal just made a crazy comeback in a third set against Korda, he was behind 2-5 with two breaks but he managed to win the set and the match in the tiebreak, he's on fire this year, Sebastian Korda is young talented player he gave Nadal problems but he was no match to the performance Nadal being doing lately, it's so good seeing him back and bringing a lot of entertainment with him.

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Quote from: VanityWallets2015 on March 12, 2022, 01:48:54 PM

And Djokovic again refused to participate in several tournaments, he also never learns. He apparently thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Actually, all tournaments should exclude him, he doesn't want to be vaccinated, so I think I'll just have to bear the consequences. As a professional tennis player you have an example to the rest of the world, he is a very bad example. This way there are few tournaments left for him to participate in.

It is his choice if he wants to get vaccinated honestly. If he dosent he dosent get to play on tournaments and he is fine with it. He has a different opinion on covid vaccines . Also with this war no body is talking about covid anymore so i think in 1-2 months all of this with covid will end and hopefully they allow players like Djokovic to play in all tournaments.

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