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Quote from: Trofo on March 12, 2022, 04:54:27 AM

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I think he is just happy to play tennis again. He loves the sport and now finally he can play it again after a long recovery from serious injury. Just competing is probably feeling very good and everything else, like title, is bonus.

agree on this, I always remember Leyton Hewitt, that played Wimbledon for few season, after almost being retired, because he can get a wild card, based on previous performances
and it is probably a lot of fun for him, without pressure to win it, play a few rounds (which is great success for every player) on it, and be part of big tournament, you do not have to win every (and in these years and conditions, nobody expects a lot from Murray)

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And Djokovic again refused to participate in several tournaments, he also never learns. He apparently thinks he is above the law because he is the best tennis player in the world. Actually, all tournaments should exclude him, he doesn't want to be vaccinated, so I think I'll just have to bear the consequences. As a professional tennis player you have an example to the rest of the world, he is a very bad example. This way there are few tournaments left for him to participate in.

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Andy Murray pledges season's prize money to help children in Ukraine

Its easy to make the pledge of the seasons prize money when you are a multi
millionaire but his pledge is very commendable, Andy is a good guy and well liked
and respected on the tour.

We should indeed all realise Andy is surely playing for different reasons now, he
isnt stupid, he knows his capabilities I'm sure.

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Quote from: Joca97 on March 11, 2022, 05:52:52 PM

Quote from: aoluain on March 11, 2022, 05:50:15 PM

Anyone see Murrays match against Taro? I was following the score on and off
on my phone and after the first set to Taro 1-6 I thought Murray was on his way
out but he took the second set 6-2 and the third 6-4 so good win after a reset
from the first set.

Murray is not what he was 10 years ago and how he plays he cannot win any tournament. He is struggling against low ranked players such as Taro Daniel. Plus Murray always plays more then 2 sets and this is a serious problem in the upcoming rounds of every tournament. Lets see how far he can go in Indian Wells

I don’t think it’s realistic anymore to expect some great tennis results from Murray.
His tennis peak is long gone and I think he is aware of that too.
I also believe that he does not have any financial problems, so the only thing left is probably the desire to enjoy tennis without too much personal expectations.
And before retiring to a well-deserved tennis retirement, Murray can once again show his greatness and help children, victims of the war in Ukraine.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/60673527

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Quote from: aoluain on March 12, 2022, 04:02:19 AM

Interestingly that was his 700th win yesterday against Taro, that is some
achievement. Its amazing that he is still competing but I wonder what his
goal is? maybe win a lesser tournament? its hard to see him winning any
tournaments now.

I think he is just happy to play tennis again. He loves the sport and now finally he can play it again after a long recovery from serious injury. Just competing is probably feeling very good and everything else, like title, is bonus.

He has a rank good enough to get into grand slams directly and no matter how much money you have that is still a nice check to collect. Not to mention appearing in his home Wimbledon once again. That will be some roar from supporters.

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Interestingly that was his 700th win yesterday against Taro, that is some
achievement. Its amazing that he is still competing but I wonder what his
goal is? maybe win a lesser tournament? its hard to see him winning any
tournaments now.

I had an interest in the Riske v Muguruza match as posted previously, I knew
Riske was a gritty fighter and she proved it yesterday beating Muguruza.

I watched the first set which Muguruza won 0-6, I switched off and went
to bed. Riske came back to win the following 2 sets 6-3, 6-1, My handicap bet
payed out but lost on Muguruza.

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Quote from: Joca97 on March 11, 2022, 05:52:52 PM

Quote from: aoluain on March 11, 2022, 05:50:15 PM

Anyone see Murrays match against Taro? I was following the score on and off
on my phone and after the first set to Taro 1-6 I thought Murray was on his way
out but he took the second set 6-2 and the third 6-4 so good win after a reset
from the first set.

Murray is not what he was 10 years ago and how he plays he cannot win any tournament. He is struggling against low ranked players such as Taro Daniel. Plus Murray always plays more then 2 sets and this is a serious problem in the upcoming rounds of every tournament. Lets see how far he can go in Indian Wells

Yeah, that's why for sure some of us here are really surprised to hear that he is still competing at this stage. His mind might be in the game, but his body is deteriorating very fast.

Although he won his game against unknown player here, it doesn't look good, not sure if he can sustain that kind of a comeback next match.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 11, 2022, 05:50:15 PM

Anyone see Murrays match against Taro? I was following the score on and off
on my phone and after the first set to Taro 1-6 I thought Murray was on his way
out but he took the second set 6-2 and the third 6-4 so good win after a reset
from the first set.

Murray is not what he was 10 years ago and how he plays he cannot win any tournament. He is struggling against low ranked players such as Taro Daniel. Plus Murray always plays more then 2 sets and this is a serious problem in the upcoming rounds of every tournament. Lets see how far he can go in Indian Wells

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Anyone see Murrays match against Taro? I was following the score on and off
on my phone and after the first set to Taro 1-6 I thought Murray was on his way
out but he took the second set 6-2 and the third 6-4 so good win after a reset
from the first set.

I am interested in the match which has just about to start, Riske v Muguruza.
I have Riske +4.5 @1.85 and Muguruza to win @ 1.29.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on March 10, 2022, 04:38:36 AM

they should have canceled his participation right from the start instead of waiting for him to pull out now.

Yes, definitely. The drama is a bit of a distraction, but I just think it's unfair on the seedings. So now Zverev the #3 seed can get all the way to the final without having to play anyone else in the top 4, whereas Nadal #4 and Medvedev #1 have to play each other. Zverev gets an easier semi-final than Medvedev, which isn't right.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on March 10, 2022, 02:57:56 AM

Big surprise... Djokovic has now withdrawn from the Indian Wells tournament.

I understand him wanting to leave it until the last minute, in case the visa restrictions are removed or he gets a special exemption, but still, this should have been resolved much earlier. Now we have another tournament where one side of the draw is much easier than the other side, which isn't really fair. If this keeps happening, tournament after tournament, then whoever is seeded to play in the DJokovic part of the draw will have easier matches and likely gain more ranking points, purely because he delays his withdrawal until the latest possible moment.

@Cnut237 I’m not really surprised and neither should the organisers be, because his vaccine stand is an open secret, and knowing that there were rules relating to vaccination they should have canceled his participation right from the start instead of waiting for him to pull out now.

Lastly in a way I’m glad that he’s not coming and causing unnecessary drama like we witnessed earlier, and can’t the organisers take a strict stand and ban his participation where country’s are strict on vaccination it would save us from this unwanted drama.

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Thats a good point, its kind of a bit selfish holding on for so long before
notifying the tournament you are pulling out which affects the draw.

We can be sure that Lacoste knew that his ongoing vaccination stance
was going to come to this point. So he is a no show for them in this major event,
as a sponsor they havent taken this lightly which has resulted in the split.

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Big surprise... Djokovic has now withdrawn from the Indian Wells tournament.

I understand him wanting to leave it until the last minute, in case the visa restrictions are removed or he gets a special exemption, but still, this should have been resolved much earlier. Now we have another tournament where one side of the draw is much easier than the other side, which isn't really fair. If this keeps happening, tournament after tournament, then whoever is seeded to play in the DJokovic part of the draw will have easier matches and likely gain more ranking points, purely because he delays his withdrawal until the latest possible moment.

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I agree with all the timing points, the whole escapade in Australia and the resulting
loss in the number 1 position is a lot. Thinking about it more I would imagine the
coverage the Australia affair got was probably more of a deal breaker for Lacoste than
losing the top spot.....unless for some bizzare reason there was a clause in the
contract which stipulated the #1 spot was essential to continuation of the deal....

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Quote from: Trofo on March 08, 2022, 02:49:17 PM

Quote from: aoluain on March 08, 2022, 01:49:44 PM

I assume this move would be fueled by what happened earlier this year in
Australia, is it worthy of a termination of sponsorship though?

Could be that plus the fact that he is Serbian. Serbia is one off the countries that have strong political ties with Russia and one of the very few countries that did not give support to Ukraine or condemned Russia war efforts. I suspect this reason is the trigger because of the timing and possible further bad promotion.

It's understandable if it's because of the vaccine, or because they think he won't play a lot of tournaments... but it's a bit pathetic if it's because of the war. They shouldn't associate all Serbian athletes - or all Russian athletes - with the behaviour or stance of their country. I mean, look at Rublev, he's a Russian player, and he wrote 'no war please' on the camera the other day. It would be pathetic to stop his sponsorship because of his nationality.

You have a point with the timing... but there is another answer that fits with the timing, which is that Djokovic has of course just lost his position as world number 1, which you'd imagine is not great for the sponsors.

Also he may make the news again in the next couple of days... apparently he is still listed in the draw for Indian Wells, but of course not eligible to enter the country.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 08, 2022, 01:04:19 PM

Is Venus even playing tennis anymore? I sort of think she will play max 5 matches this season and that is if she gets invite to US open.

Not really, I think the last she played was last year's Wimbledon. As far as I have read (and I have to say it didn't really interest me much), they are saying she is a tennis role model that has spent her career fighting for equality - or some kind of similar PR brainwash.

Commercially she has a lot to offer though - her following is still huge. Also - she won't be paid nearly as much as Novak was.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 08, 2022, 01:49:44 PM

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I suspect if there was any concern on Djokovic's part about Lacoste terminating
his contract it would probably be the embarrassment of it all but yea he will get a new
deal for sure.

I assume this move would be fueled by what happened earlier this year in
Australia, is it worthy of a termination of sponsorship though?

Indeed, it was due to the controversy that Djokovic involved himself in the Australian Open.

He could get a new deal, but he could lose more and maybe Lacoste is just the beginning.

As far as Venus W. goes, she is being hired as a brand ambassador by Lacoste, so perhaps it doesn't concern if she is going to play or not. She may have to travel and represent the brand or even model for them.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 08, 2022, 01:04:19 PM

Is Venus even playing tennis anymore? I sort of think she will play max 5 matches this season and that is if she gets invite to US open.

I believe Djokovic is much more concerned with points and winning grand slams than his sponsors at the moment. As you say, he has more money than he can spend but few more GS titles would go very well with his GOAT candidacy.

Lol, that would be a strange move from Lacoste as Venus rarely plays anymore and the chances that she will ever win a big tournament is close to zero. Given his age, Djokovic has the highest chance to win the most grandslams, but even then I won't consider him as the GOAT Tongue

, but that's a different discussion.

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Quote from: aoluain on March 08, 2022, 01:49:44 PM

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I suspect if there was any concern on Djokovic's part about Lacoste terminating
his contract it would probably be the embarrassment of it all but yea he will get a new
deal for sure.

I assume this move would be fueled by what happened earlier this year in
Australia, is it worthy of a termination of sponsorship though?

Its all started with Australian open and now his sponsors are worried he wont play a lot of tournaments and thats why they want to terminate those deals. Djokovic is not worried he already earned a lot plus he is probobly under contract for a couple of more years so it wont be easy to cancel them, Djokovic might even be additional paid if they want to cancel the deal.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 08, 2022, 02:49:17 PM

Quote from: aoluain on March 08, 2022, 01:49:44 PM

I assume this move would be fueled by what happened earlier this year in
Australia, is it worthy of a termination of sponsorship though?

Could be that plus the fact that he is Serbian. Serbia is one off the countries that have strong political ties with Russia and one of the very few countries that did not give support to Ukraine or condemned Russia war efforts. I suspect this reason is the trigger because of the timing and possible further bad promotion.

It could be or his stance against the vaccine. In our country, Lacoste branding is big so I think it will be a blow out for them if they stop having Djokovic as their face. But it's their decision anyways.

Hopefully they can find tennis players that can really keep up with the latest trend and of course winning grand slams with their logo in it. And I don't think the Williams is well suited as you have said.

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